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I am not against a Volleyball, Basketball, Soccer, or Baseball/Softball team doing that as a reason to travel to a tournament. Tournaments though are over 3-4 days and you can actually sightsee and do different things. I was in Palm Beach County during Christmas last year and I went to their version of the City of the Palms Basketball Tournament. Several teams from cold Midwestern states were very happy to be in the beaches. Football though, I can't imagine doing that as a reason. These coaches are all about routines and never breaking those routines. Some of these coaches would sooner cut off their leg then allow a routine to be broken by a sightseeing tour.

Glad they solved their problem, and they have the right approach of Competitive Games allows for the sport to continue at our schools and continue to grow. But tell me again how promotion and relegation doesn't solve this issue. If Reagan is that bad, (Lax Index of 430), then why not move them down to 7A so maybe they are more competitive, why not move a school like Northwestern up so that they play against better competition. Increase the size of classifications to 96 (16 districts 6 teams per district) and move the worst 16 teams down and the best 16 up. Does this potentially mean that a school with 750 would compete against a school with 2800 sure? But if those two schools are equal on the field than it should be considered fine. Nobody wants to see blowouts neither the winning or losing side. You want competitive games. Yes, coaches should be able to create schedules that allow to have fair competitions, but sometimes you have School Districts and FHSAA districts that force the haves and havenots to compete.

I resent the fact that you think I would make fun of this amazingly awesome stupendous system. The FHSAA as always has run the numbers on things like this and shared that information completely with everyone to allow for complete and absolute trust in the system. Ok going to stop now.... Honestly, I am probably going to do that no matter what the situation is. The only difference is that I would like to be accurate when mocking rather than just shooting from the hip. I know they will release the information in 2-3 weeks from now, but I know the time it takes to set something like this up. To do ONE (1) region, it is going to take know the records of 276 teams, and of those 276 teams having to know who beat who for 87 of those teams (even though I just care about the 20-25 teams in a given region). I remember the first year of the "power" point system, every week I e-mailed the FHSAA with small errors, but I was only looking at one region in one Classification. Who knows if there were errors in other areas. By the 2nd year they had cleaned up the errors and I only sent one e-mail at the beginning for a small problem. On a complete different side note, if some coach would like to pay me in Buffalo Wild Wings, Beef O Brady, Hooters, or WingHouse gift cards next year so that I run the numbers for their region, please let me know. I will also accept straight cash.

Follow-Up Question and thank you for your help... Team A (10-0) Beats Team B (9-1) Team B has a win percentage of .900 (9-1), I understand based on what I read on the FHSAA Website that for team A that team B's win percentage would be 1.000 because you would not count that loss since the loss is to team A. Since Team B faced Team A, do you count Team A's Winning Percentage in Team B's opponent's opponent's winning Percentage when you are figuring this out for Team A, if so that is going to suck to try and do. Let Me Try an Example: St. Augustine is 2-0 (so win percentage would be 1.000) St. Augustine has beaten Yulee and Menendez. Yulee is 1 -2 (1-1 for the purposes of Opponent's Winning percentage since you remove the loss to St. Augustine) or .500 win percentage Menendez is 1-1 (1-0 for the purposes of Opponent's Winning percentage since you remove the loss to St. Augustine)or 1.000 win percentage So St. Augustine's Opponent's Winning Percentage is .750 ( 1.5 / 2 ) ___________ Opponent's Winning Percentage Yulee Schedule St. Augustine (2-0) (1-0 for the purposes of Opponent's Winning percentage or 1.000) Fernandina Beach (0-3) (0-2 for the purposes of Opponent's Winning Percentage or 0.000) West Nassau (2-1) (1-1 for the purposes of Opponent's Winning Percentage or 0.500) For Yulee's Opponent's Winning percentage of .500 Menendez Schedule Palatka (0-2) (0-1 for the purposes of Opponent's winning percentage or 0.000) St. Augustine (2-0) (1-0 for the purposes of Opponent's Winning percentage or 1.000) For Menendez's Opponent's Winning percentage of .500 So St. Augustine's Opponent's Opponent's Winning Percentage would be .500 (( .500+.500 ) / 2 ) My question is for the above, do I count St. Augustine's Winning Percentage in the Yulee and Menendez's Opponent's Winning Percentage when figuring out St. Augustine's Opponent's Opponent's Winning Percentage. If removed, both OOWP would shrink to 0.250 and 0.000, and thus overall average would shrink to .125 instead of .500. Thank you to the Florida HS football scoreboard with Score Steam, makes it much easier to look up the scores rather than maxpreps. Additionally, thank you to Laz for the Laz Index which helps me check the records. It is a great tool when trying to do this

Finebaum and Bianchi had this discussion about Willie Taggart. Yes, as a Gator fan, I want Willie to stay forever, but in reality, when Willie was hired, I did not think it was a bad hire at all. He had won at Western Kentucky, he had won at USF, he was rebuilding at Oregon and went to 7-5 during the regular season as he left. I don't know if FSU will recover, but I think it will. We are going to look back at the end of the season and see the Boise State loss as a "good" loss as Boise State will be Top 15 in the country. I would be willing to take a chance that FSU ends up with 6 wins and is bowl eligible. It won't be enough for FSU fans who want to challenge for national titles, but I do not know if anybody is ever truly going to unseat Clemson/Bama for dominance anytime soon. https://247sports.com/Article/Florida-State-Seminoles-football-Willie-Taggart-Paul-Finebaum-destination-job-133287572/

They could reschedule. Lots of teams have done it. I believe that is how the Mandarin/STA game is happening

I warned at the beginning of the year that Pahokee could be the next team that is Booker T Washington-ed due to schedule such a difficult schedule that they could end up not making the playoffs. This is what I was talking about.

Sadly, since the state legislature is out to destroy public education in the name of "choice" the answer for athletics is a promotion/relegation system that allows those all-star teams to play each other.

You are correct if a student is not enrolled at a school, but attending a school that doesn't offer athletics are supposed to count in the enrollment of that school for FHSAA purposes. The reality is that is generally doesn't matter because a school probably has less than 20 of those students in a given year, but yes they are supposed to count. If your guidance department doesn't know who these kids are, how is your AD doing GPA checks, age checks?

This was an ugly game. 16+ penalties, no consistent offense of any sort (especially with two offensive minded head coaches). Maybe it was just the defenses were really good.

I don't think I ever cared if games were cancelled before, but with trying to do playoff ranking points, you need every game, when games get changed to Monday or Saturday or you never find out if the game is canceled or rescheduled it becomes a HUGE mess.

@Joshua Wilson Do you have any advice for us numbers people on how the FHSAA might be handling the opponent's winning percentage and the opponent's opponent's winning percentage?

Many schools already lost a day due to Labor Day add in many schools losing Tuesday, I could see many school districts canceling/rescheduling games (even though that hadn't happened yet).

Josh, Am I missing something in that the links to the schedules seem to not be there.

Small Gripe... the FHSAA not posting the schedules like the past 2 years is a pain in the ass as MaxPreps is soOOOOOOO slow!!!!!

Another question... Team A has an .800 win percentage at the end of the season Team B lost to Team A, when figuring out Team B's opponents' opponent's winning percentage do you calculate in Team A's winning percentage into opponent's opponent...

Right, but by the time you do your whole region, you will end having to have the results of almost every team in the state.

Steinbrenner, Sadly, I don't think you can just do your own region anymore like the last one. This time, you almost have to do every school. I have done the numbers before on the old system, but this makes me not want to do it. Everything you said is how I would do it if I don't get any more information, but I haven't really even thought about it too much. With the hurricane coming, it might give me something to do. If you update it regularly, you could use the https://floridahsfootball.com/scoreboards/class-8a-scoreboard/ and click each class. It won't get all the games, and you have to backtrack to Thursday and Saturday occasionally, but if you are doing it nightly it could be of use.

Maybe somebody can help me out... For FHSAA ranking purposes: 1)If you are calculating your opponent's winning percentage do you include your victory/loss in the calculation? Example: Team A: 3 Wins, 3 Losses, .500 winning percentage Your team beat Team A, do you use the .600 winning percentage (if you disregard their loss to you) or do you use the .500 winning percentage? 2) Same question, but with opponent opponent's winning percentage 3) do you average the winning percentages (of opponents and opponents opponent's) or do you take the total number of wins of opponents and divide by the total number of games played? I am sure the FHSAA will have this under control, but it is a lot more work than the previous system to get right.

Many years ago I suggested it and still stand by it, but teams should move up or down, not based on their enrollment, but on their on-field/court success. As your team improves, then you play tougher competition by moving up a classification, as your team struggles, you move down a classification. There is little reason in today's age that teams that powerhouse teams should be in districts with the chronically failing. If we want programs to grow, they have to feel like they have a chance to win or otherwise we are setting them up for failure. In football, they could do it in 2 year cycles. In other sports, one year cycles. There is little reason for Chaminade-Madonna and Trinity Christian to be in 3A move them up until they find a level in which we aren't already penciling them into the state finals. Move the top 10 teams in 7A up to 8A, move the worst 10 in 8A down. Repeat the process for 3A-8A. If you are a brand new school who should be in 8A, we are starting you in 3A.

I agree Josh. Other than adding Raines or Trinity Christian or Ponte Vedra or Fletcher or Sandalwood, I think the games looked good and if Jag's number are corrected with 21K, then that is amazing. My question about the success is if it had more to do with it being opening weekend, no mass amounts of college football, and being a fresh new thing for the area. I am more wondering if they did this in week 5 and had the same games would it still be as successful. Anything that grows this level of the sport is positive.

Jags, With Duval County switching to 6 pm start times, do you think this could be a solution with playing on Saturdays or do you think crowd like this is a mixture of opening week, 2 large public schools nearby (Mandarin/ACHS), and 2 very large good teams in the area? In other words, other than inviting Raines (and there being a better Bolles team) to play do you think this was as good as a weekend they could hope for?

Bartram Trail 48 Robert E Lee 20 Story Mandarin 28 Atlantic Coast 12 Story University Christian 21 Bolles 14 Story The crowds seemed to be pretty good overall. I hope this becomes something they do every year.

9-0 already for St. Francis MC already has 2 3 and outs on offense. It is not looking good so far.

Changing world we live in. The school, community, and message boards like this focus so much on "winning" that coaches feel the need to implement over the top training programs to try and only have super dedicated kids to the program. Neither the kids story nor his make feel like there are any real winners in this situation. 6:30 AM practice for a specific amount of time (assuming weightlifting/conditioning/film) 8:20 AM class until 3:00 PM 3:30 PM until 6:30 PM for practice. If you assume 30 minute travel from school to home, 45 minutes for shower and dinner, and 8 hours sleep that is maybe 2 hours for homework, work, volunteer, church, and just being a normal teen. When exactly were they supposed to be students? I will never understand the idea of mandatory summer practice. I think coaches should be fired for even suggesting the idea. I believe in positive reinforcement for coming to summer practice, not that you are off the team before the season even starts because you didn't come to summer practice. The article also makes me hate colleges/universities that would show interest in a kid with 22 ACT when I know kids with the same GPA and 32/33/34s ACT who the listed universities would never even look at students. I get that as athletes, academic credentials might be lower but that isn't even in the same ball park as what those schools require. They used to require management classes in college and one of the things they will tell you is you don't try to change the culture overnight. You focus on 1 or 2 things that you are not willing to bend on. Maybe it was morning practices. Maybe it was study hall, but you don't try to overhaul everything in the first month on the job otherwise you get rebellion. Too many changes, too fast. This is the problem, we expect a win now mentality when we don't understand that improvement takes time to build. In looking at the record of Taylor County over the past 10 years, they look like a solid program with an occasional down year. So it is not like Taylor County was this lawless, winless program, but a decent program. Build on that without saying everything you did before sucked. Players have gold fish memories. After 1 year 2 years nobody will remember the old ways. So make small changes. I look at the kicker/pre-game meal situation as the coach screwing up. It would have been faster for the kid to run out his mom's car, grab the shoes, and be back in the cafeteria than the time the coach spent talking to him.