Jambun82
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8 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Here's better highlights and I saw something odd during a kick return that got whistled dead in the middle of the return for offsides on the kickoff. Which should've got blown right away. With the camera angle from the live stream I thought the returner was pushed out of bounds.
The Cocoa Head Coach should be grateful that he did not get charged with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the Tigers INT return. The Coach clearly interfered with the official's path along the sideline and that official showed great tact in simply pushing the Coach's arm down. I commend the official and that particular Coach better be more careful in the future.
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22 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Only portion of the game that I saw was the overtime and a couple highlights the following morning.
Did you notice anything about the officiating from the part of the game that you viewed?
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13 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Lmao I wanted to respond to their comments on the post but decided to let it go. I think they were a couple moms. Mainly said there was 2 delay of games not called against MI but there was one called against EG and I guess a couple holds and PI that wasn't called lmao.
Almost forgot to mention that the game was played at EG. They had me cracking up commenting "Congratulations to MI REFS on the win" lmao
KeemD321, did you watch the game?
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6 hours ago, Perspective said:Same with Hillsborough. Lots of district games that have to be played. And then the teams are going to turn around and play again Friday night. I guess it's not all that different than the pro teams that play on Sunday and then have to play again on Thursday night.
Many teams played more than one game in a week in 2017 as well after the big Hurricane pummeled Florida. A lot of JV games were played on Monday and Tuesday Nights as well.
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18 hours ago, 561_Fan said:
Every Gardens scoring drive, there were 2, 15 yard penalties on Pahokee, besides the drive after PK muffed a punt inside their own 20. Any close coverage by a PK defender was a pass interference (refs took away 2 interceptions), but the same plays were no calls on the Gardens defenders. Gardens QB threw the ball out of bound to avoid a sack, no WR close, and the called PI. PK scored in the 4th, offense running off the field, out comes a flag for holding. Second half, Gardens only had 2 penalties called and they were to obvious to ignore (blind side block) and holding when the QB was scrambling around trying throw a pass with under a minute left
Thank you.
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On 9/23/2022 at 11:50 PM, Ray Icaza said:
Very surprised with the outcome of the Venice - Seminole game. Will have to view this game tomorrow to see if the refs put their thumb on the scale of justice again. Playing in their friendly confines, it is always a possibility. Truly wished I didn't think this way and hope I am all wet after I get to watch the whole game.
I expect you to keep an open mind Ray.
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34 minutes ago, 561_Fan said:
Final. 38-30. Pahokee. After a hour and a half lightning delay the game continued. Pahokee was up 38-14 midway through the third, but Gardens kept fighting. The refs had a bigger impact on the game than anything. It’s DISGUSTING how Pahokee gets officiated on the road in Palm Beach County…when the refs call games fair, they aren’t close.
On to the next one.
561_Fan, what problems/issues did you have with the officiating?
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12 hours ago, badbird said:
I'm not sure what to take of this new Jambun82. I hope his officiating on Friday is better than his sarcasm. Stay safe from the Beast, don't let him scare you.
Badbird, I think that you should admit the truth about something that we both know to be true. You consider it a great honor and privilege to speak with me, and similar to Dan, you know that what I state is 100% accurate. You also say to yourself " That Jambun82 is one brilliant man, and even though I have been on this Earth a lot longer than him, he has taught me a lot and I hope to learn more from him." There is no need to deny reality badbird.
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19 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
Well HornetFan, it started many years ago, for a few of us, on the FlaVarsity message board. It's a part of the "Rivals" family of high school football websites. Whenever a homer fan like myself (Mainland High) or others claimed we were unfairly shafted by the Refs our resident long time Florida Official "Janbun82" would interject and want the particulars of the egregious act against our teams. In all the years I never remember him siding with any of us "poor losers." Not saying it didn't happen, I just can't remember it. He couldn't go against his brothers, his family of officials. Even when I would point out every profession has good and bad, competent and incompetent he never budged an inch. So after all these years St Frances at Venice comes along and WE GOT THE GOODS ON VIDEO ! Will he, or won't he side with his family ? That's the question
Dan, I think your problem is that even though you didn't like the answers that I have given, deep down you know that what I said was correct. In fact, I am sure that many times you said to yourself "Boy, that Jambun82 really knows what he is talking about and I have a lot to learn from him" My information and point-of-view was so valuable that you could take it to the bank and exchange it for cash.
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7 hours ago, HornetFan said:
Perhaps someone can explain to me why it is necessary to have "Jambun82" comment on the officiating of the SFA - Venice game. Those of us that watched the game could see obvious blown calls throughout the game that almost always went against SFA. I don't know if the officials had a "bias" or just a bad day and consistently missed calls throughout the game, and as luck would have it, those calls almost always went against SFA. Venice was a "State Champion" last year, but that is not the case this year. Venice is nothing more than, at best, an average high school team this year.
I'm not a coach or a referee; I'm just a high school football fan. We need the referees if we want to enjoy this great sport. There are a lot of good, honest referees in high school football, and even then they miss calls or make mistakes. I wouldn't want their job because as far as close calls go, one team and their fans will almost always complain. With that being said, I don't think the officials in the SFA - Venice game did their fellow officials any favors.
I don't know if I have ever had the chance to state how much that I enjoy your posts and contributions to this message board HornetFan, but I am stating it now.
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7 hours ago, Perspective said:
Jambun as a child? (Just asking.)
I don't think that I ever dressed that nicely Perspective. The bow-tie is definitely too big for me. The black horn-rim would not be my choice for frames either. Those frames would be too much attention-grabbing for me.
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3 hours ago, Beek said:
I touched on this in a different thread.
1. The white cap assigned to this game had been previously banned from officiating at this school. The assigner was aware and had kept him from coming many times in the past. I wont go into why unless you feel it is important to this discussion.
2. The no calls on egregious holding and pass interference calls was horrible. But it went both ways. The only time a holding call was thrown was when the play went for any type of yardage. Again I agree a holding call can be had on every play, So why choose only the plays when a team has a gain to negate that play only.
3. invisible flags thrown. on 2 separate occasions when we had a 40+ yard gain a flag was thrown post play down field near the end of the play. The first time when asked what it was for I was told holding by a lineman 50 yards away from where the official was standing. The flag wasnt thrown by the referee who was near those players. But the one who was 50 yards away from where the suspected holding was called (had a coach in his ear!). The referee was asked who was in position to make that call. He just picked up the flag 50 yards away and walked back and marked off the holding without a place marker flag for where the penalty supposedly occurred. The second occasion was a similar situation where our receiver was hit way late out of bounds and the other team was called for the late hit. Then when the officials got together all of a sudden there was a offensive false start call. no flag was thrown and the play continued to its finish which resulted in the defensive penalty. This caused me to waste a time out for clarification. I was told that the official on my sideline, standing directly in front of me dropped a flag for false start (no flag was ever thrown, also shouldn't the play be whistled dead?) But after the conference. the penalty was upheld and the false start was walked off first, then the 15 yard personal foul was applied after that.
4. According to the other teams stats, they were penalized 10 times for 108 yards and us 12 times for 83 yards. The opposing head coach was livid at the officiating as well. He told me that this was the worst officiating he had ever seen. Neither of us had had near these penalties all year combined.
5. To top this off, the assigner when asked why we only get "B" crews to our games he said that "you are so bad that we wont waste good officials to come to your games" I personally have a friend (not someone who would not call a fair game)who is a white cap in the area he constantly asks for his crew to be assigned to our games. He keeps getting told no and instead gets the game of the week!
If i polled my staff, i am sure I could come up with more scenarios. These are the ones that come to mind first.
I guess the worst part of this is we are pretty used to this type of officiating. I could write books on the improper officiating I have experienced in my 8 years as a high school coach. The best one yet happened in Polk county. We had a 4th down play the 5 yard line, which was painted was the line to gain. Our back ran the ball and it was placed clearly near the 4 yard line 3 feet past the 5 yard line. The chains were dropped and the official on the sideline signaled 1st down. The opposing coach called a time out and asked for a measurement. Here is where it gets interesting. There was no marker on the chains to tell where the chains were supposed to be. But everyone agreed that the 5 yard line was the line to gain. So the official comes to the sideline and sees a place in the ground where he feels the chains were and decides thats where the mark should be. Picks up the chains and then goes and measures. Obviously the 4 yard line was a foot too short and the ball was turned over on downs. When asking the white cap how that could be. I was told that it wasnt the line judges call to signal first down. And the opposing team, who was operating the chains shouldn't have put them down. So he had to approximate the chains location. Film clearly shows that the 5 yard line was correct. (have to love that)
I really never complain more than I feel is what I can get away with without repercussions. Because if i complain too much , it will just come back to me in a bad way. All I ever ask for is the poor officiating is kept even between us and the other team!
On the flip side there is a white cap that has also gone out of his way to help me understand interpretations of the rules. He has contacted me during the following week to apologize for a bad call where he was wrong and admitted it. He has also called me and shown me the rule and explained what we did wrong! To me you cannot be more transparent than that.
Thank you very much Beek. I am glad to read that there is an official who is willing to help and explain certain rules interpretations, and if you ever have any questions for me, please feel free to ask.
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48 minutes ago, badbird said:
you most likely need some glasses. I've seen some of the officiating in Volusia county
Nice try, man who has been on this Earth much longer than me. However, I already wear glasses, and have since I was very little. For some reason, women find far-sighted men very attractive and engaging. Of course, you find my huge brain very engaging.
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17 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
SPARE ME!!
You're welcome again.
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3 hours ago, Beek said:
Having just lost to horizon. They are a very well put together team. I do feel that had we not have played in the downpour, granted they had to as well. And we could have capitalized on our 3 red zone trips. The outcome would have been different. Not making excuses. They beat us fair (as the officials could see or not see it) and square. Their running back and qb combo is a force to be reckoned with. I also agree that they could be looking at 7-3 or 8-2.
Right now our strength of schedule is a -30.9 But thats who we are! Started the year at 550 and moved up to 484 so far. Toho ranked 297 and Horizon 301
Beek, what problems/issues did you have with the officiating in this game?
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11 hours ago, badbird said:
I STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU. GO BULLDOGS
You may need some hearing aids, man who has been on this Earth for a significant amount of time. In fact, you should consider my great idea and suggestion, what else is new?, because that will help you with what you held very dear in your heart, the honor and privilege of talking with me. You're welcome for the honor and privilege, and you have a friend in Volusia County.
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20 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Ouch!! Getting a little heated so best to lay down your weapons.
Ray, I noticed that you were "confused" by my comments. There is no need for that as I am willing to explain anything that you would need explained. You have learned a lot from me and I have enjoyed providing you with many lessons. You have a friend in Volusia County.
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10 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Ouch!! Getting a little heated so best to lay down your weapons.
Nothing is getting heated at all. I tried to be polite by asking a question of a poster who I know wouldn't be able to answer my basic, simple, question. I was right as usual, skyway provided about as much of an answer as he/she usually contributes to this message board. Absolutely nothing. Skyway has to resort to personal insults and foul language because of this simple fact.
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6 hours ago, badbird said:
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU LOL
When I have something to say to you, you will hear me just fine badbird. What is more than that, a good friend of yours just might hear from me soon if he tries any sort of intimidation factors. DO YOU UNDERSTAND AND HAVE I MADE MYSELF CLEAR?
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11 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
My man, if you are short on time skip the first 1 hr, 40 minutes and go to 1:41:00 (1st fumble) where I , your friend, after 7 minutes turned the TV off. The Venice TD at 1:47:20 in slow motion with the camera standing behind the Official on the goal line says it all. It's the culmination of the ineptitude and or criminality, up to that point, of the striped shirted crew. If by chance you view the complete game, tell us all here ( at The Huddle ) if Venice received unfair treatment over St. Frances from your limited television view with replays. Thank You.
Dan, the strip by the St. Frances player that caused the fumble was ruled incorrect by the side judge, (I noticed that this was a 7-man officiating crew.) who did not seem to have a good angle to make a ruling on the play. However, since the official's whistle was blown, that ends the play immediately. On the play that was ruled a touchdown by Venice, the runner did not have possession in the opponent's end zone when the ball was separated. Also, it has to be noted that the officials do not have the luxury of the slow-motion ESPN replay, but I believe that the ruling was still incorrect. I will view the whole game at a later time. If there are any other calls. rulings, or fouls that any other poster felt was incorrect, please let me know at the approximate time in the game. Thank you.
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11 hours ago, 561_Fan said:
Mainly in the first quarter, PK had about 50+ penalty yards. The PK runner was down on the first drive and the Central defenders ripped the ball out and they were given possession. There was a deep pass where the Central DB ran through the PK, WR, and knocked him down and there was no call. They then gave Central a PI call when there QB clearly threw the ball out of bounds. It just seemed as every positive play PK had in the first, whether 5 or 15 yards was negated by a penalty.
Luckily the defense held strong forcing turnovers and turnover on downs. The only points Central scored was off a fumble scoop and score.
Thank you for the information 561_Fan.
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4 hours ago, skyway said:
You've been offered numerous examples, both in writing and in the form of the full game with a specific time offered. The embarrassment grows worse the longer you try to defend it while refusing to watch it.
Dan in Daytona has provided a video of the game, and I said that I would view it when I have time. I have other priorities that are more important than this message board. Besides that, I don't have to defend or explain anything to you or any other poster to this message board. The information that I provide and don't provide is my choice and I will NEVER answer to someone like you. DO YOU UNDERSTAND AND HAVE I MADE MYSELF CLEAR?
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5 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
My man, if you are short on time skip the first 1 hr, 40 minutes and go to 1:41:00 (1st fumble) where I , your friend, after 7 minutes turned the TV off. The Venice TD at 1:47:20 in slow motion with the camera standing behind the Official on the goal line says it all. It's the culmination of the ineptitude and or criminality, up to that point, of the striped shirted crew. If by chance you view the complete game, tell us all here ( at The Huddle ) if Venice received unfair treatment over St. Frances from your limited television view with replays. Thank You.
Thank you very much for the video Dan. I will view that when I have some more time.
Seminole 35 Cocoa 29 F/OT
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The fair catch signal might not have been seen initially, so the play was allowed to continue and then the after discussion, the ball was placed back where the returner possessed it. There also is a 5-yard penalty for delay-of-game on the returner for advancing after making a fair catch signal. What happened with the officiating during the Palm Bay-Melbourne game?