Jambun82
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3 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:
No, the real shame is that you cannot take a ribbing about your school, laugh with all of us and let it pass. Instead, you feel compelled to debate to the death in this obsession to defend your old high school. Just as I am certain you will be compelled to comment on my words here and defend yourself. You always have to get the last word in. The shame is that this comes at the cost of taking the limelight away from Chiefland High and a great athlete of theirs...read the original post, in case you forgot.
Please spare us the "fan of the 90's" stuff. You talk as if you are an old-timer pinin' for the good 'ol days. You have no clue what it was like then other than hearsay and hint, hint, us old-timers have a bad habit of embellishing things from the good 'ol days, so you may not want to believe everything you hear. And if you want to be a real fan of the game, take some advice...you'll learn a lot more asking questions than talking and banging out defensive statements on your keyboard.
Not trying to be mean or hurtful with my words. If you are so passionate about defending a cause(which is wonderful), join the Armed Forces. You'll quickly forget about Lake City and realize how unimportant what high school we cheer for really is.
Great point OldSchoolLion. You, and so many other knowledgeable posters on this message board always make me look forward to checking out what great subject of Florida High School Football is going to be discussed next. Of course dealing with that poster acting like a child is never easy, but I appreciate your patience. I just don't think that you will ever be able to get though to him.
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When I was still involved with coaching in 1998, the team that I was working with was getting to play Auburndale in a playoff game. Some members of our staff went to scout the Bloodhounds, as they were playing Winter Haven at Dennison Stadium in the last week of the regular season. I remember being very impressed with the stadium, and thinking that there were more impressive looking kids in the stands at Winter Haven then playing for the Blue Devils that night.
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What about Wilber Marshall?
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On 6/1/2019 at 6:09 AM, OldSchoolLion said:
Seems like Palm Bay and Rockledge started dropping off when Cocoa started rising up. Anyone out there have any insights as to "why?" Prior to 2000, one never heard much about football in Cocoa.
Prior to Gerald Odom becoming the Head Coach at Cocoa in 2002, the Tigers had a heavy set man as Head Coach who would run all kinds of trick formations and weird plays instead of concentrating on being fundamentally sound. The High School Principal at that time also wouldn't back up any discipline for the kids so good coaches wouldn't consider coaching there even though the school always has athletes and potential. Rockledge and Cocoa have an rivalry and compete for players I believe. Dan Burke always had a good program at Palm Bay. The book on the Pirates was that the team ran about five plays from two different formations, but they still couldn't be stopped because they were fundamentally sound and had great personnel.
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Yes, Jermaine Green played for the Washington State Cougars. He played in the Rose Bowl when WSU lost to Oklahoma.
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OldSchoolLion, it is great to see that you are featuring Volusia County players in your Who is this Florida football legend series. I hope that you will continue that. Thank you.
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22 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
They had a shotgun spread before Beach (don't remember 4 WR's sideline to sideline play after play) with Qb's Andre Roan and Pa'tel Troutman. Both were more dangerous as runners then passers. But I don't believe Yocum's system (outside of a special limited package) was the same. Even when he went to Spruce Creek and was successful, it was still a run first offense (fundamental roots brought from Oklahoma) . Beach's is a pass first go through a progression system. It came from Mumme early 90's Valdosta State. I'm open to a refreshing of my fading memory. Go for it Jam
Dan, Seabreeze used a four receiver-no tight end formation under Rocky Yocum. It might not have been the "spread" offense per se, but it was very close. When Coach Yocum got to Spruce Creek, the Hawks were a more multiple formation, motion, and shifts team that ran the ball more due to the personnel, (they were coming off of back-to back 0-10 seasons) and the fact that Jermaine Green was one of the RBs.
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Dan, Seabreeze was running the four receiver-no tight end "spread" offense long before Marc Beach became the head coach. Rocky Yocum brought that offense to the Sandcrabs in the 1980's.
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6 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:
My comment was not an attempt to make such a comparison, badbird. You implied Florida is caving to political pressure about mascots because we have a "bunch of liberals." My point was simply that putting people who are sensitive about racial overtones and other touchy subjects into a box, ie liberal, conservative, etc is not very fair or even accurate. That is EXACTLY what people did back in the day and why some coaches were treated poorly by the press and fans.
Vince Lombardi was tough as nails. He supported gay players playing for him and even threatened to fire anyone on the spot for questioning their manhood. Think some folks back then didn't call him a "liberal" for taking such a position? The irony is that those people who looked beyond color, religion, and sexual orientation in the past were the bleeding heart liberals of their day..or so some claimed them to be. And thank God we had them around, or we may still be living in the Stone Ages with segregated football...which we had as little as 50 years ago.
Vince Lombardi's brother was gay. Also he had a gay RB on the team when he coached the Redskins, oops sorry GatormanUF, WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM!, by the name of Ray McDonald. Politically, Vince Lombardi was a JFK Democrat, but one would have to wonder what the man would have thought of Bernie Sanders, AOC, and Elizabeth Warren. OldSchoolLion, if you think that any person who looks beyond another person's color, religion, and sexual orientation is a "bleeding heart liberal", you are mistaken.
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9 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I could care less about either party but I will never support the conservative party because of what they have done in Lake City
Turned this city into a dump that will never get any respect
Why can't you understand and realize that many parents and children want choices in education, and don't support the one-size-fits all public school system? There is more to life than each public school having the same amount of D-1 athletes to achieve some sort of parity in High School Football.
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Breon Allen, was a GREAT High School Football player. He has a good college career at East Carolina, but if he was a little bigger, he might be playing in the NFL today.
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16 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
Long time Head coach Andy Price's last season was 2011. He went to Titusville for one year and has been at Spruce Creek ever since. He does the best with what he has. Athletic tuition assistance is not as plentiful as in years past. The schools birth was in the early court ordered integration of Florida public schools. That fueled their enrollment in the beginning years as much as the spiritual enlightenment. Never been a big fan, although I did see all three of their state championship final losses.
Warner Christian continued their deep playoff run after Andy Price left with Steve Allen as Head Coach. Although the Eagles did not make the state title game under Coach Allen, after he left the downhill slide started. Warner Christian became an undisciplined team who outathleted teams under Coach Allen's successor, and after that coach left, the bottom fell out. The Administration and de-emphasizing football might have also played a factor.
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22 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I agree most are there for the right reasons
If you took 100 officials maybe 1 or 2 in that 100 are there for wrong reasons but that is case for everything in society
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch and more times than not a bad apple will be seen and given more attention then all the good apples
For example you never see the media show how many good young kids we have today, but you will always see when kids do something stupid because it's considered more newsworthy
Or perhaps a better example is police officers, very rare will you see in news what a officer did to save someone's life but if they involved in a questionable decision in using a weapon then the media can't get enough of it and now some people think all cops are bad because of a few bad ones who exist
My entire point though is there is a lot of good ones but unfortunately the only ones who will ever get brought up are the small percentage of the bad ones
Yes. I believe that there are issues with many police officers, not all but many unfortunately, that are ignorant of many basic citizen rights, and seem to forgot that they are public servants. It goes beyond police officers using their weapons, and more to the point of the arrogance of many police officers. This erodes confidence and trust in police in general. There are many good professional police officers who get painted with this broad brush.
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11 hours ago, peezy28 said:
Okay... Well to me that is apart of the problem... 1. You cannot be mad at people for questioning your motives if you do not want to even talk about it... Thats a HUUGGGEEE Oxymoron you have to admit (please don't take this as an attack on you or the officials this is just how most will perceive that message). Its like you keeping money away from your wife because your saving it for your kids college and she sees you have 100k in an account she did not know about and asks what is it for and you tell her (I am not willing to talk about that with you)... It will not go over well LOL... This is not as extreme as that but similar.
I know plenty of officials in the sun-coast association (I believe that is what our local association is called) that I have known for years. Gail B, Kenny, Big Game Bobby (as we call him), Derelle H, Chris H. I can talk to them about stuff like this and I get a better understanding of things by doing so. Also they admit to not being perfect and getting every call correct.
Open communication is best in most situations in life in general IMO.
Peezy, I am sorry, I think that I misspoke. What I meant was that most officials would like to talk with others, and explain certain points-of-view when it came to how to call a game, and which fouls to have and which fouls not to have. If people would be willing to listen and understand what the official is trying to get across. Not every thing has to be so mechanical when it comes to officiating. There is a grey area in many aspects of officiating in my view.
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On 12/12/2018 at 6:01 AM, peezy28 said:
I will say that when he is talking to coaches... he speaks to them the same way he talks ABOUT them on the broadcast as he did with Robert W while in the booth... So its not like he is afraid to say those things face to face or not... I think its a lot easier for Officials to reach out to him than the other way... I don't think most want to talk about that stuff in person or directly to the person who is blasting them.
Peezy, most officials do not want to talk with non-officials about the many aspects of what officials are trying and not trying to accomplish. Most if not all officials do not care who wins or loses any game, and most officials know that the game is not about either them or the coaches. The game is about the players and the kids.
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2 hours ago, Just A Coach said:
To be honest yelling at refs is not on my to do list on Friday nights. Most coaches are there only for the kids. I believe the officials have that same mind set as well. But there are some coaches who go out there with the intentions of yelling at refs. But there are also refs that go out there feeling that every fan and coach has it out for him. I've seen it go both ways.
Just a Coach, I agree with this statement 100%. Very well said.
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2 hours ago, Just A Coach said:
Jambun, If that is how you feel, fine. I hope you never approach a coach during a game and tell him that your only going to throw offensive flags if it is a positive play. Coaches don't want to hear that from any ref.
Just a Coach, that reads good to me. Good officials would never approach a coach and tell that coach that the officials will only have fouls on positive plays. However, when a runner is being tackled or pushed out-of-bounds behind the line of scrimmage, and there is a tug-of-a-jersey holding foul 5-10 yards away from the point-of-attack, most coaches would understand that since that the hold had no effect on the result of the play, that that holding foul is not essential to the play and does not need to be called. That is what happened in this circumstance, and Jeff Carlson went on for at least 45 seconds about how the officials missed the foul, and need to see things better. In my view, a good color man would talk with some officials and get a feel for what is and is not a foul. That way, he can sound a little educated instead of spouting off like a know-nothing. Of course, the exception to that is player-safety fouls, which have to be called and enforced anywhere that they occur on the field, and in any circumstance.
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4 minutes ago, Just A Coach said:
They should call it because a foul is a foul. 3 yard loss and next down or 10 yard loss and replay the down. That should be at the coaches discretion not the referees. No way should they hold on to a flag because they feel a 3 yard loss is enough.
Just a Coach, if that is how you feel, fine. I hope that you never approach an official during one of your games that you coach, and complain about to many fouls being thrown or how your team has eight fouls, and the other team has only two fouls. Officials don't want to hear that from any coach.
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10 hours ago, peezy28 said:
Yeah, I find him funny... and I think he tries to be controversial or be over the top with his assessments.. like waaayyy over. But as long as he has been doing games for brighthouse, spectrum, time warner which goes back a long way he has always been "that guy"
Yes, and "that guy" means someone who should live by the saying "Better to keep quiet, and be thought an idiot, than speak and remove all doubt." I wonder if this man talks to the coaches about the game plans, thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of players, and ideas of why coaches call certain plays in certain situations. Also, he should consider talking with some officials to get an idea of why some fouls are called and some are not.
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9 hours ago, peezy28 said:
He is always hella hard on the refs (which is why I think Jambun does not like him) and the coaches if they make what he calls bad decisions (which is why many coaches don't like him)
Yes Peezy, that is mostly correct. Why the officials would have a holding foul when the runner goes out of bounds after losing 3 yards, is beyond me. But since Jeff Carlson is much smarter than everyone else, so maybe he can explain it someday. Also, questioning the play-calling and decisions of Bill Castle, who is one of the all-time legends of coaching in Florida High School Football was pretty interesting and quite hilarious. I feel for any play-by-play man who has to carry that dead weight for an entire game or season.
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41 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I'm not sure, i haven't checked i came across this by accident when searching for something else
My guess is there could be one or 2 pop up over the next few days but you never know, for some reason only 3 or 4 end up getting put up and the rest go missing
All right, thank you. I enjoyed that game very much although Jeff Carlson still hasn't gotten any better as a color man. The play-by -play announcer said that the games could be streamed for free for Spectrum customers, which I had no idea about. Lakeland really outplayed STA in that game, and I was glad to see them complete an undefeated season, and win the 7A title.
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Columbiahighfan, thank you very much for posting this! Are all of the state title games available on youtube? Thank you again.
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9 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
If what @Jambun82 is pointing out is indeed the case then STA won't have their head coach next week
If that is case give me Lakeland by 7-10
ColumbiaHighFan2017, I don't know for sure that the Head Coach would be disqualified for the State Title game, but there have been incidents in the past in regular season, and possibly playoff games. The FHSAA reserves the right to deal with the punishment the way that it sees fit.
2001 6A Title Game - Northwestern v Apopka
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Does anybody know what happened to Sean Alveshire? I remember that he used to host a highlight show with the top 10 teams from across the state in each classification.