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  1. On 4/4/2024 at 4:35 PM, Longtime Observer said:

    Often unspoken in this debate is the matter of fan support. The states paying much better than Florida also have much better/more substantial fan support. This makes paying coaches much higher salaries or stipends possible. The fan support in Florida is underwhelming to say the least. The state doesn't have a single program- anywhere- whose fan support would be considered impressive or even comparable to the top programs in Georgia, etc. Lakeland has long been considered one of the best in this area, but the program has undeniably been weakened by the emergence of private schools Victory and Lakeland Christian. It's not just that some good players pass on playing for Lakeland to instead play at  a Christian school, but also families and thus fan support that previously went to Lakeland have ended up at one of the privates. The big dawgs in Miami sometimes get huge crowds out to Traz Powell, but financial contributions to programs are inconsistent at best. The Panhandle is more similar to Georgia and Alabama in culture, but they haven't produced a true state power in decades. The relatively new Sumner program might be one of the best bets to become a true power in this area. But, I'm not sure of the scale of success that is possible for them.

    I've watched high school football all across the southeast up to Northern VA, and in terms of community/fan support, Florida is dead last. I'm guessing that the large transient population that doesn't have community ties is part of the reason. The high school back in my old podunk Virginia hometown with a population of around 4.5K will draw 3K or more for home games, and most of those fans have been supporting the school for decades. Most of my Florida game attendance has been in Volusia, Orange, Brevard, Broward, Palm Beach counties and here with the Treasure Coast schools from Sebastian River to South Fork. With few exceptions over the years, the crowds have been mostly students and parents/relatives of players, cheerleaders and band members. 

  2. On 3/13/2024 at 9:32 PM, Vero Indian said:

    I'm definitely gonna get the night off lol, I ate at fishack last week....

    For a spring game, this is interesting, I wanna see Vero deals with the QB/RB tandem from West Boca 

    Who will be at QB for Vero this year? 

  3. 20 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    Camden plays the worst Florida teams they can find. It’s disgusting how they operate in that regard. Most of South Georgia does. It will be interesting to see if it’s systemic or the coaches before him lacked the testicular fortitude to play good even competition 

    I'm not sure what that has to do with why Roland should or shouldn't take the job.  Plenty of community support in Kingsland,  and if I had to guess, a better paying job than Mainland. I've seen plenty of Mainland games over the years, including Maronto's final game after the prostitution sting and they never had the kind of turnout that I saw in Kingsland that night.

  4. We went to this one last night. The most shocking thing to me was how well TC kept the Swint kid bottled up, as well as the rest of the Kowboy offense. They just dominated the LOS and never let him get the edge. On a side note, how sad of a crowd was that last night? I'd say somewhere between 300-400 there. We're going back to Tennessee for Thanksgiving. On that weekend, across the border in my old Virginia hometown, they will likely be playing for the regional championship. It'll be 2 schools with enrollments of around 450 students, but there will be around 4K people in the stands armed with air horns and cowbells, as well as the stadium's train horn. It will be electric. I have no desire to move back there, but I wish I could bottle up some of that atmosphere and put it into the water at the schools down here. 

  5. 18 minutes ago, 561_Fan said:

    Seating is fine unless both teams are undefeated, then it’s standing room. There are usually food vendors at the game. There was Chick-fil-A, frozen icee, barbecue, and others so you could be full before leaving the game

    We saw Pahokee against Atlantic and THE Benjamins. Sat on the Pahokee side and loved how their fans get loud and keep it going. It reminds me of my old hometown in VA. 

  6. We wanted to go last night, but couldn't get away in time to get there in time to get a seat, so we settled for Boca Raton at Westwood. How is the seating situation at Glades Central and Pahokee, and do they have a fence where you can stand and watch? In addition, what's a good place to eat supper in both towns? We've eaten at Dixie Fried Chicken in Belle Glade before, but it's been a couple of years. 

  7. Went to the game tonight. TC was clearly the better team, and the final margin could have been 36-10. TC fumbled at the Vero 5 after a long catch and run when the receiver was struggling to get into the end zone, and then TC jumped a pass route and a kid dropped the easiest pick 6 opportunity he'll ever have. As for Vero, I don't know what their problems stem from, but something is really off kilter for them. Like someone else said, I'm leaning to believe it has at least some to do with the transfers. There's way too much physical talent there for them to struggle like they have at times this year. 

  8. On 10/3/2023 at 7:34 AM, Drogo said:

    Listening to the game- according to the radio guys: the coaching staff is aware of the effort/intensity/cohesiveness issues that have plagued Vero all season, and apparently tore into the players at halftime despite them being up 30-6. It didn’t seem to help as they still played with the same in the second half. 
     

    on a side note: I don’t know why Vero isn’t using the Palm Bay transfer Octavion Osby more, he’s a senior, runs hard and make the most of his limited opportunities. For some reason they chose to primarily use the sophomore Hillsman as their featured back. 

    I don't doubt the coaches tore into them. It was 30-6, but FPC handed them something like 16 points by being unable to successfully execute a punt. We've lived here for 5 years, and usually watch Vero 3-4 times or more each year, among the other schools. I've always considered them to be the best coached program on the Treasure Coast, but there is something really off kilter this year. 

  9. TC has an open date, then FPC and Centennial before Vero, so that's almost like three open dates and they should be good shape when Vero comes to town. STA and Cocoa are maybe 2 of the top 4 teams in the state in any division, so I wasn't surprised they lost like they did. As for THE Benjamin School and Jensen, that went about like I expected too. Jensen's defense did a commendable job, but couldn't get anything at all going on offense. 

  10. I watched Vero against Central this evening. There's something off kilter with Vero. They won 45-6, and yes, FPC is really bad, but Vero had 3 turnovers and gave up multiple sacks. I've seen them against Dwyer (preseason), Miami NW, Palm Beach Gardens, Sanford, and now FPC. They've looked nothing like what I thought they would this year, and just seem really unorganized and lacking intensity except for the Miami NW game. 

  11. On 9/5/2023 at 11:03 PM, Jambun82 said:

    All right, that is great to read. By any chance, would you care to share what state? Have you considered becoming a high school football official in Florida? 

    Virginia, and no. I'm an old man now. I did it when I was much younger, but got a good job at a chemical plant that required me to work swing shift, which made it impossible to officiate unless I wanted to spend a bunch of my vacation days to do it. Refs have always missed calls and always will, but I have the utmost respect for them just for being out there so the kids can play. 

  12. We were there tonight. Tons of penalties. I'd guess well over 200 yards combined. Were there questionable calls? Probably. I'd need to watch the complete game on film before commenting one way or the other. We went to Davie on Thursday night to watch Milton, GA v Western and there were a ton of penalties called there too. In keeping up with a game online back in VA tonight it was the same story with the penalties. Early season + high school players often = lots of penalties. Otherwise, it was a great game. I thought NW should have stuck with the backup QB. He gave the Bulls offense an added dimension with his feet. 

  13. 3 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    Florida has grown so fast that most people are first generation graduated of whatever high school they attend. There have been so many new high schools built over the years, that they don’t even have enough alumni to fill a stadium. Lol. 
     

    A lot of these old towns in Ohio, Georgia and Texas have generations of people going to these historical high schools. Their daddy and granddaddy went there. 
     

    Some places like Bishop Gorman is different because they are the only main option in all of Las Vegas for a private education and world class athletic experience. They have cornered the market and built a behemoth. 
     

    Back in the day Miami schools would pack 20-40,000 to see a high school game. Before pro sports were around 

     

    Exactly. I grew up and lived in a small Virginia town in coal mining country for 30 years. On Friday nights, the towns shut down  and everyone is at a game, and it's still like that today even though many of the schools have been consolidated. There was nothing like running out on that field on a Friday night with the stands full. A friend of mine was a teacher in Pound, VA who described it as a town of 1800 people, 1300 of who will turn out on Friday night to watch a team that's going to finish 1-9 or 2-8. It was the same in upper East TN, where I worked and lived before retiring to Fort Pierce five years ago. High school football is a passion for my wife and I, and we've been to games all across the southeastern US. Florida schools by far have the worst atmosphere. About the only places we've been to here that have a decent atmosphere in Florida are Vero Beach, Cocoa and Rockledge. The Central v Westwood game in The Fort is a big draw, but otherwise they don't have much going on for other games. 

  14. On 8/17/2023 at 11:15 AM, Vero Indian said:

    I'm predicting a 44-0 blowout win over Dwyer tonight..

    Drop your predictions for tonight's game 

    Players to watch for are...

    QB Tyler Aronson 4 star

    ATH Tarvos Alford 4 star

    WR Isaiah Robert's 3 star

    DB Amar Reynolds 3 star

    OG Micah Smith 4 star just upgraded recently 

    EJ White 

    Robert Jones 

     

     

    Who was #44 at RB? In addition, Champ Smith looks to have lost a decent amount of weight from last season. 

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