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8 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Basically, any football team, private or public, that wants to have a high national ranking or a shot at a "mythical" National Championship. So, I am pretty sure this will not stop the Miami Centrals of the world from recruiting. In the case of some other publics, such as Edgewater in Orlando, that may wish to have a shot at say, the 3M crown, but that does not necessarily have National Championship aspirations, they will continue to recruit in order to give them a shot at a state championship.
Bottom line is that it cuts both ways. But I don't think that the solution to separate the publics from the privates will solve the problem. From my perspective, what would is requiring football transfers to sit out a year before being eligible to play Varsity football. Give them the option to play JV for the first year but not varsity and the flood of transfers would be reduced to a trickle. Of course, some very narrowly crafted exceptions could be could be made (a divorce or death in the family that changes the kid's guardian, a job promotion by the major breadwinner in the family requiring a move to a different location, etc.).
We agree on the transfer issue. I think if teams know they aren't competing against Bolles, STA, AHP, Chaminade, Jesuit, Cardinal Gibbons, Cardinal Newman, TCA, NFC, Columbus, Berekely Prep, CCC, Benjamin, Calvarly, etc etc etc., there would be less of an incentive to "recruit" (which is illegal anyway).
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8 hours ago, SportsFan said:
You don't know that, it's just an assumption you keep repeating over and over again to justify your hatred of private schools, I've seen teams like TCA and Bolles and they aren't some unbeatable machine, Trinity Catholic is playing Buchholz this week and Buchholz has far more transfers than Trinity Catholic yet by your logic it's perfectly okay for a team like Buchholz to load up on transfers but Trinity Catholic is evil for it? You also assume separating privates would somehow stop transfers to public schools like Miami Central? Based on what? They don't even share a class with teams like STA so it wouldn't make any difference to them and again it's just an assumption that you have no evidence to back up
It's a lot of random assumptions that have nothing to do with the problem but you somehow think going back to 2016 Florida HS Football will fix the problems but again you are living in the past and not actually seeing the clear reality of what has happened in this state
This thread is about competition. Not hatred of private schools.I don't hate private schools. I hate tilted playing fields. It makes no sense for STA and the like to play Joe Public for championshps. I know there are occaisonal exceptions (great Lakeland teams that can draw from Polk and eastern Hillsborough, etc.).
Back in our day, at least in FL, most private school football was a joke. But Bolles and STA set the blue print and now there are a few dozen private schools trying to fit that model. A public school cannot compete with private schools if a private school decides to become a football factory (educational resources, connections, reduced or comped tuition, football resources, facilities, coaching, recruiting opportunies, etc.). To think otherwise is just not being honest with yourself. I'm all for the private schools doing what they want and competing for mythical National Titles, etc.
There are 500-600 public schools at a big disadvantage against private schools when the private school decides to become a football factory (it takes some time and it always doesn't work, but there are enough now that the playing field is unfairly skewed at every level). And BS open transfers (which I'm totally against) don't really even the playing field. The only exception might be Miami-Dade where two or maybe three teams might be able compete at a super elite level just due to the raw talent in the area.
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11 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
Super teams are the worst thing to happen to FL football.
Yes. Separate the private schools and there would be less "super teams" on the public school level. Open transfers are right up there with super teams. Makes it a whole lot easier to compete with AHP, STA, Cardinal Gibbons,etc., and it would be a lot less necessary if the private school powers are out on their ass and competing in their own league (they don't need to be part of the FHSAA).
On the public school side, certain teams will always be good because of community support and demographics. But if teams don't have to gear up to try and play recruited up juggernauts like STA and the like, I think you'd see a lot less of the super team on the public school end.
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16 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Except in the rare situation where you had: Northwestern, Central, Norland and a resurgent Carol City all in the same district. To me, districts like that would be ok with just four teams, especially if only two or no more than three made the playoffs. The same would apply if Edgewater, Dr. Phillips, Apopka, Seminole, and the current Lake Mary were all in one district of five teams.
Put two of those teams in one district of 6-8 teams and two of those teams in another district of 6-8 teams and the cream rises to the top. We have too many classes. This is why the playoffs suck. Larger classes equals larger sample sizes and better results. You will never do anything to prevent disparity in quality between regions. The Big Bend will never compete with Miami-Dade. But those teams are typically in diferent classes. If not, oh well. It's a "state" championship. Not a region championship like watered down California.
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there are no positive three and 4 team districts.
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2 hours ago, Perspective said:
Exactly. I was replying to 181's suggestion that enlarging the size of the districts automatically solves the problems created by the Power Rankings. While I agree that larger districts are needed, you'll still have problems if you use a Power Ranking to break ties instead of some sort of on-the-field tie-breaker.
it would go along way to solving this. It may not be perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than a bunch of pinheads at the FHSAA sitting around, deciding who’s better
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13 minutes ago, PinellasFB said:
We have an interesting scenario going on in 4M-6 where Steinbrenner, East Lake and Palm Harbor U. are all tied at 2-1 and 1-1 vs each other. They are going to the final tie breaker which is playoff ranking. ELHS and PHU both have cupcakes for their final game while Steinbrenner has a playoff contender in 7-2 Riverview for it's final game. This will be a wild last week of football for these teams.
this is the problem with all the BS voodoo rankings. It’s all nonsense. If you had a large enough district, these teams would not be tied. If you have a minimum 6 team district you can comfortably have your top two teams make the playoffs and keep the competition relatively good in the playoff system. Preferably a seven or eight team district is better but I think six at a minimum lets the cream rise to the top..
I don’t have an answer to your question because of the subjective system set up by the FHSAA
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at least it was close
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On 10/25/2023 at 11:37 PM, Jambun82 said:
That officiating crew was suspended, and the Supervisor of the Officials Association issued an apology and admittance of wrongdoing by the crew to the Cocoa Athletic Director.
Still an L. The FHSAA jokesters should have stepped in and made it a no contest ir a win for Cocoa. But they have no nuts
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Columbus is all boys. It's 3400 because you double.
You really only need two real private school classes and one smaller open class for all the recruited up super powers. 16 teams or so. All qualify for season ending tournament (Playoffs). Move down the bottom 4 every year and promote the state champs and runner ups from the other two classes. It would probably look something like this. School size doesn't matter for the factories.
STA
IMG
Chaminade
Columbus
Bolles
Jesuit
Belen Jesuit
Benjamin
Cardinal Gibbons
Clearwater Central Catholic
Jax Trinity Christian
Carrolwood Day
Calvarly Christian
Cardinal Newman
Berekely Prep
Bishop Verot
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8 hours ago, Joshua Wilson said:
HEY ENOUGH... ALL OF YOU!
Why are you all trashing the SSAA for providing the schools that want an alternative to the FHSAA state series?
A lot of those programs are thankful they don't have to go up against the powerhouse teams where they would stand no chance on a weekly basis.
I'm all for the SSAA. They need to absorb every private school team in the state.
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One potentially useful aspect of this otherwise seemingly useless organization would be to absorb every private school in the state. Then they could actually set up real championships and real classifications. Let the FHSAA concentrate on public schools. They could play each other in the regular season for scheduling purposes, but for the playoffs they would stick to their respective organizations.
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seems to me that most of these garbage trams could be lumped into the old FHSAA 1B. What a horrible lineup. They have like 12 championships between 40 teams, none of which are any good. What a joke.
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Complete joke as ususal.
Rankings are silly for HS football when you have districts and playoffs. I'll say it for the 10,000th time. Large districts, large classes, everything comes out in the wash. I personally would separate private schools into three classes of their own. Open, large, and small. This makes it fair for the schools that still value academics and have not whored themselves out to try and become football factories. I would do 4 large public school classes (which would include charter schools, as they are publicly funded). Perhaps one rural class for tiny schools in the middle of nowhere. If you incorporated the numerous independent schools and schools in the SSAC, all the classes would be robust.
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On 10/6/2023 at 1:41 PM, Longtime Observer said:
As long as there is open enrollment, public schools are not at a disadvantage (based on rules, anyway) to private schools. They actually have an advantage based on the rules. The reason why some privates are dominating and will continue to dominate is they are often seen as superior educational experiences to their public counterparts. Even if there were no sports, STA would be seen as a much better school than Dillard or Fort Lauderdale high.
The other key factor is population, especially density. The more talent there is within just a few miles of a campus, the easier it is to stockpile all-star teams. It isn't totally wrong to try to group teams according to this factor. The problem is a county-wide approach is not ideal. Lakeland is more "urban" than either Lake Wales or even Seffner (Armwood)! But Armwood happens to be in Hillsborough county, so they play in "metro" while Lakeland and Lake Wales play in "suburban" classes. You could say the same things about schools in Bradenton compared to, say Lennard High. There's a lot more talent within a few miles of Manatee High than there is near Lennard, who is stuck in "metro" due to being over the Hillsborough county line.
Public schools absolutely are at a disadvantage. If your kid gets the chance to play for say Berekely Prep or Jesuit, the top academic schools out there, and play for a great team in a private school setting (and go for free or reduced tuition), you don't think that is an advantage? The same kid might have a choice between Blake, Middleton, or Jefferson on the public side (or any number of otehr schools) and it's no contest. They'll pick the private school every time. 25 years ago or so, private schools did not emphasize football (basketball once in a while). Now they all want to be St. Thomas Aquinas.
Also, public schools at capacity cannot get transfers. So you get a very highly rated public school like Plant that is filled to its gills with school zone kids and they can't get open transfers.
Private schools still have a big, big advantage.
I would do 4 large public school classes and three private school classes (two normal classes and an open class for STA, IMG (sorry there's no difference), Chaminade, AHP, etc. etc. etc.
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9 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Si.
gen x here. 1968. just snuck through
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This is very simple. Either separate the private schools from the public schools (not banning them from playing each other just classification wise) or you go with six large open classes based on population. Private school populations, double if it’s an all boys are all girls school.
If you’re going to go public private, you do 4 public school classes and 3 private school classes. I would do an open private class with the top 25 or 30 teams. Just make two regions and the top 8 in each region qualify. I would also do 2 traditional private school classes, one for standard Catholic school type teams, and another one for tiny Christian school type teams.
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Columbus squeaked by a Clearwater Academy international team that was dismantled by last year’s Lakeland team. They have a nice win over Jesuit, who is not what they were. They are very up and down. Give them credit because both those games are on the road. The other wins are not super impressive. Let’s just see what happens before crowning them at some all-time great.
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On 9/30/2023 at 9:32 PM, cribboy305 said:
literally whoever else
No. They are the fave but they are far from that dominant.
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34 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
After checking, I see it had been open for exactly 10 years in 2019. When you get old, time certainly travels fast. So, the answer is that there is no recent Tampa school that has reached a semifinal in a four year window.
no. Sumner opened in 2020 as High School. It’s brand new.
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54 minutes ago, Perspective said:
Sumner got beat by Durant last night. 28-27.
so much for state title dreams
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Mediocracy breeds mediocracy....
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Centralized funding for Hillsborough athletics has been around since the 1970S.
Any interesting district races going on?
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You’re putting the cart before the horse. If the private schools were separated, most of the transfer nonsense would stop. The FHSAA can put reasonable measures in place, such as a sit out rule, to prevent transfers from making a huge impact. They can’t control private schools. this is just my two cents. Based on years of observing. You’ve probably done the same. People can reach different conclusions. You don’t have to agree on everything. That’s OK.