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Such a SexyBeast of an offense that Coach Darlington runs

Does this mean the return of the most exciting offense in high school, The Single Wing?

If I was forced to do it for the 2022, I would start with our current classifications. Change has to be slow. 1) I would then either contact Laz and ask him if the FHSAA could use his Power Rankings for the previous 4 years. or 2) I would use the RPI from 2019 and 2021 and average them together. (Not the best solution due to 2020 not using RPI) In either case, I am taking the top 10 teams from 2A and moving them up to 3A, top 10 from 3A to 4A, etc. I am also taking the worse 10 teams and moving them down. For 1A, I am taking the top 2 teams and moving them into 3A, the worse 2 "Rural" schools that in 1A would move down as well.

I find it funny that all the people on here bash the RPI (or any scoring system), when 4-5 years ago, everybody raved about how great this would be football. No more blowouts, only good teams getting into the playoffs, better state championships. Every game would count rather than only some of the games in determining who made the playoffs. We would get better in-season games. I prefered the district/runner-up system because of the simplicity. My main concern as I have suggested for long periods of time is that school population is too limited in determining classifications. Classifications should be based on previous levels of success (or lack there of). The complaints of unequal competitiveness in districts become lessened when every team has been on the same level. Move good teams up a classifications and bad teams down a classification. Re-classify every 2 years based on a 4 year rolling average for football (every other team sport should re-classify every year). Districts become more competitive, which allows less complaining.

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1A should be played in Tallahassee/Gainesville/Lake City as any one of those 3 makes the game centrally located. Glad that it will be in Tallahassee. 2A should be played at a home stadium of one of the teams as they rarely ever get above 1,500.

I have problems with the RPI (different than yours), but the formula is pretty much the FHSAA basic formula. College Basketball RPI: RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25) FHSAA RPI: RPI = (WP * 0.35) + (OWP * 0.35) + (OOWP * 0.30) The change was mostly due to coaches wanting winning to matter more. ---------------- As more games have played, we have seen a correction. FHSAA's main problem was they released the RPI waaaaaay too early! RPI should be released until like week 8 or 9 at the earliest. They wanted every game to count. My argument to people like @ColumbiaHighFan2017class back then was nothing was stopping teams from playing a challenging schedule, because there was no punishment if you lost the game as long as you won your district. Now, every game counts. Have the good teams substantially upgraded their schedules to find good local and state-wide games or do most teams play the same teams they always play? I think you do see a small improvement in schedules (some counties even allow of county travel), but most teams are still playing within a short distance. @ColumbiaHighFan2017class loves to bring up the 1-9 Eastside team, but he forgets that an 0-10 Gadsden County made the playoffs over Andrew Jackson in one of the first years of the point system (not the current RPI system). Systems have one offs, get used to it. Should it happen, no, but it does. If it was a constant trend, we should worry. If the FHSAA didn't learn a lesson from it, we should worry.

When you do opponent's winning percentage, you have to remove the teams (in this case Bishop Moore's) result from the record. Pine Ridge lost to Bishop Moore... You would remove their loss so they would be 2-2 (or .500). Edgewater won vs Bishop Moore... You would remove their win so they would be 5-1 (or .833).

Before I write another e-mail to the FHSAA and get a nearly zero useful response, can someone check my work? FHSAA: Bishop Moore OWP = .728 Mine: Bishop Moore OWP = .75278 Bishop Moore's Opponents L - Edgewater (6-1) = .833 L - Gainesville (4-2) = .600 L - Treasure Coast (4-1) = .750 L - Braden River (5-0) = 1.000 W - South Sumter (5-2) = .833 W - Pine Ridge (2-3) = .500

I didn't think Florida HS football games could end in ties, (Spanish River vs Olympic Heights 6-6). Does anybody know how the FHSAA handles ties for RPI?

So you talk trash without knowing anything about the young man, run your mouth before you have any knowledge... damn don't they teach anything out in Madison. Just curious, he won a state championship last year. They beat Hawthorne to win. Just to remind everyone. How did the mighty Cowboys of Madison do when they faced Hawthorne?

In defense of Notre Dame, they play a harder schedule than most: Link From 1998 to 2017, Sagarin Ratings, Notre Dame had average Strength of Schedule as 9th in the country. Does Notre Dame get special privileges, because they are Notre Dame, sure. They are what would happen if Bama or Texas went independent.

Could you provide a list of the transfers that the school in Jacksonville has on their 2021 roster that came from other schools during the 2020 season. Or direct me to a previous post where you listed them? Could you do the same for Columbia? I ask because as the person making the accusation that Lee/Riverside is getting transfers from Ed White/First Coast/Trinity, you have to back up the information. If you are correct, great. But unless you can prove it with actual names and former schools, just sounds like accusations right now.

And I understand that, but look big picture for Bartow: Since 2004, MaxPreps has them with a 85-93 record, would that be so bad that we should drop them a classification. I wouldn't think so. Yes Bartow had some lean years and some good years. If we only looked at the 4 year period that ends with the 0-10 season. They would be 12-29 (.292 win percentage). And yes, that is probably bad enough to be in the bottom 10 of 6A programs in that time period. And I do agree with you, good coaches can turn programs, but that is a lot harder to replicate and takes a little bit of luck to make that happen. Even good coaches can walk into a bad situation and be unable to turn it around. Where I see promotion/relegation working is not for a school like Bartow (who over the long period has been average), but a school like Interlachen. They have consistently been 3A/4A level school. Since 2004, MaxPreps has them at 35-124 (.220), with one 6-5 season in 2010 (not sure how as they didn't make the playoffs unless it was a Bowl Game). They are the definition of a team without a winning tradition in the modern era. So let's give them a chance to create some winning, maybe 4A is too big, maybe 3A is the place for them, maybe 2A. In every classification in every region there are a couple of teams who are just in the wrong classification, they could be competitive if they went from 8A to 6A (by competitive I mean 5-5), but instead we continue to say, you have too many students, you must be 8A. We put brand new schools (usually after 2 years) into a classification of whatever their size they are, without regard for the fact that they don't have the fan base, community, to be successful out of the gate. Take a look at the state championships, of the public schools, while I don't have the proof in front of me, I would say that it take a minimum of 15 years for a public school to be good enough to make it the state championship. Maybe Dwyer made it there a little sooner, maybe Bartram Trail. I know that population size is the fastest. I know the correct way to turn around a program is through coaching and community support. I just don't think population size acknowledges actual differences in school support for the programs. I don't think great coaching is available everywhere.

Schools go through cyclical change. They get in good talent, good coaches. They get principals who care about sports and ones who can't stand it. Our current system of only using population doesn't recognize that. It states you have a population, you must be equal with every other school who is similar in size to you. This does not recognize any long term trends in the programs or changes, it says the only real resource that schools have is the number of students. It doesn't look at on-field success, coaching turnover, community support. Simple example from the North Central Florida area. Gainesville area high schools (Santa Fe, Gainesville, Buchholz, PK Yonge, and recently Newberry) have been for the last 20 years, very good at volleyball. They have a tremendous junior club program that basically all these girls play in (similar programs exist in Orlando/Tampa). Unfortunately for Columbia High School, they are often the same size as GHS or Buchholz and as a result, Columbia struggles against them 9when districts were required). This isn't be throwing shade at Columbia, but rather acknowledging that they should never be placed in a district/classification with teams who have had consistent success (despite being relatively the same size).

You have. I proposed since back in my FlaVarsity Days, ran the spread sheets, showed what classes would like. I get it. Population size is easier and in theory fairest, but the problem is we know that it doesn't produce a great system. It produces lopsided results that nobody (winner or loser) is interested. For programs like football, I am generally in favor of the promotion/relegation power points being over a rolling 4-5 year period rather than one year (the original article makes it sound like 1 year, which would do exactly what you say). Other sports, I could make the argument that roster/coach turnover is much greater and thus teams improve much quicker than in football. But if the Unicorns, go 5-5, 5-5, 8-4 (2nd round), (14-1) they might move up, but if they went from 8-4, 8-4, 12-2, and 14-1. They might be more likely to move up and that is ok. I am positive that team would still be competitive in the higher class, would they be dominating, maybe not and again that is ok. My idea of a promotion/relegation system is only a handful of teams would change in a given year (10% up, 10% down in each classification so about 8-9 schools in each direction.) It would take a long time for a 3A school to get to 8A, and even if the Unicorns move up the next, there will still be bad schools in their new classification as there will be schools who were bad, just not bad enough to move down.

Ray, I could give you a long summation of why your argument about private schools transfers doesn't hold up from personal experience, but let me state, the state of Florida will not allow it. Additionally, when you start looking at "large school" privates, there aren't enough to create a real classification. Below are the largest private schools (sorry if I missed some). Honestly that feels kind of small for a classification, after that you start getting into private schools that couldn't compete with the JVs of these schools. Again, I don't have a problem with the separation, but you aren't going to get it pass the state legislature. 8A: Columbus (3518) (doubled due to all boys) 7A: St. Thomas Aquinas (1994) 6A: Belen Jesuit 6A: Jesuit (Tampa) 5A: Bishop Moore 5A: American Heritage (Plantation) 5A: St. Brendan 4A: Bolles (787) 4A: American Heritage (Delray Beach) (1026) 4A: Calvary Christian (782) 4A: Cardinal Gibbons (1102) 4A: Gulliver Prep (944) 4A: Immaculata-La Salle (872) 4A: Monsignor Pace (833) 4A: North Broward Prep (892) 4A: Pine Crest (857)

That is fine, but doesn't solve the problem. We have uncompetitive districts and classifications (and not just in football). We have schools in several teams sports that run roughshod over any district foes and won't have a competitive game until the regional finals. At the same time, we have teams for various reasons that are so bad that they need to be in a district/classification that allows them to be competitive or they will eventually dump the team. Look I am all for competition and I don't think teams should run from competition. But we all know there are teams in our areas that if they get their kids lined up correctly that it should be considered a win. If they can put together a JV and Varsity squad, we should consider it a successful season. Letting them get brutalized by an obviously superior team because it is a district game, seems silly. As for separate classes for private and public school, not going to happen. The state legislature has already said so. Again, the FHSAA might "run" high school athletics, but ultimately the state legislature has the big stick on this issue. Florida also doesn't have numerous large schools, so basically you would have a class of 10 large teams and a class of 60 small schools. We have to stop thinking that the state legislature is going to allow us to treat private school differently than public schools. They aren't. (I want to say something political here, but will pass). As for Madison County vs STA, I give Madison zero chance in 10 games. But that is the beauty of a relegation/promotion system. Maybe Madison can't cut in that top 48, maybe the teams are too big, too much depth. So Madison drops a classification and a team with better depth and skill moves up. The beauty is the system self-regulates, if a team doesn't recruit and has a couple of down years, they move down a classification until the right coach and right team comes along and they can move back up a level.

We have to acknowledge certain things, our state legislature wants transfers. They want choice, whether it is for public schools, private schools, or charter schools. They have unequivocally stated they believe in parental/student choice even if that means transferring for athletic reasons. They will pull out the tired trope of not stopping the violinist or chorus member or auto mechanic student being able to choose so why stop the football or baseball player. Once, we acknowledge that, we have to move on from transfers to recruiting, which is technically different. The FHSAA should be able to work with the Department of Education to suspend people for a specific period of time for recruiting. Now, we have acknowledged transfers, we punish the coaches who recruit. We go with option 3. Option 3 says if transfers happen, so be it. Put those schools together into one classification and let them compete. Using the LAZINDEX, these are the top 48 teams over the past 20 years. If we did this for all classifications, now all of a sudden, population size doesn't matter, geography doesn't matter, but the ability to put a winning team on the field matters. Is 20 years a little too long, probably, but better than a one year snap shot. Imagine a classification of 8 districts/6 teams per district (only 9 game schedule with 10th game being play-in). All 48 make the playoffs, with district champion and runner-ups getting automatic byes. While we might quibble about certain teams being included and not being included, I think most of the teams that we consider to be state contenders year in and year out are on the list. 1 St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) 2 Miami Central 3 Armwood (Seffner) 4 Miami Northwestern 5 Lakeland 6 Washington (Miami) 7 Bolles (Jacksonville) 8 Madison County (Madison) 9 Mainland (Daytona Beach) 10 Apopka 11 Lincoln (Tallahassee) 12 Manatee (Bradenton) 13 Naples 14 Christopher Columbus (Miami) 15 Venice 16 Columbia (Lake City) 17 Cocoa 18 Trinity Christian (Jacksonville) 19 Niceville 20 American Heritage (Plantation) 21 Miami Carol City 22 Glades Central (Belle Glade) 23 St. Augustine 24 Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens) 25 Godby (Tallahassee) 26 Hillsborough (Tampa) 27 Plant (Tampa) 28 Deerfield Beach 29 Palm Bay (Melbourne) 30 Pine Forest (Pensacola) 31 Jefferson (Tampa) 32 Osceola (Kissimmee) 33 Lake Gibson (Lakeland) 34 Vero Beach 35 Dr. Phillips (Orlando) 36 Raines (Jacksonville) 37 Miramar 38 Plantation 39 Edgewater (Orlando) 40 Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale) 41 Jesuit (Tampa) 42 Chaminade (Hollywood) 43 Miami Southridge 44 Fletcher (Neptune Beach) 45 Bartram Trail (St. Johns) 46 Pace 47 Dillard (Fort Lauderdale) 48 Atlantic (Delray Beach)

From a friend at the game: Tigers imploded. Gave up 3 safeties (1 botched snap on punt, 1 punt returner went backwards into endzone, 1 running play loss yards in endzone). The offensive line was manhandled all game. He couldn't recall a play that went for positive yards, no big plays. WRs were doubled/shaded on every play, QB didn't get enough time to set feet. RBs were consistently hit in the backfield, delay of games, holding calls. The defense did their best they could, but Bolles' O-Line was described as making CHS D-Line look small. He didn't think Bolles ever had to go more than 50 yards on any of their TD drives.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/os-sp-hs-fhsaa-survey-0902-20210901-ayishbqatngldcybxvhkucjvqy-story.html "Those choices were: Divide teams by student enrollment counts, the long-standing FHSAA method. Classify based on county population, which could mean a Metro division for schools in Orlando, Miami, Tampa, etc., and a Suburban division for teams in less populated areas. They would go along with the existing Rural division, which was created in 2011 for small-town schools with less than 600 students. Align teams based on their competitive level, utilizing a power ranking system." The FHSAA sent out a survey to athletic director and coaches and asked them which one of the above would they prefer when doing re-classification. I do not get a vote on this, but I really hope they choose method 3. I have long advocated for a promotion and relegation type system where good teams, no matter the size, move up, and poor teams move down. My idea would be that a 2A football would take 12 years to move up to 8A based on 2 year re-classifications. Sadly, I think the FHSAA will simply just put all the good teams move up all at once, which will be too big of a shock to the system. Other sports team I would be every year, so 6 years for a 2A basketball to end up in 8A. Individual sports (Track, Cross Country, Golf, Swimming, Wrestling, etc) should be done on participation (FACA survery asked about that) and power ranking. I am sure there are enough technical wizards who could look at a returning team of cross country and figure out how much they improve from year to year on average and figure out a ranking system. ______________________________ On a complete side note, a lot of newspapers have been running subscription services for $1 for 6 months, with a cancel anytime. Best couple of bucks I have spent. I was tired of being stuck behind paywalls or subscribers only.

Sadly IMG is the future of sports and I hate it. Eventually, we will get a couple of schools in every region of the country that IMGs. We already are doing this in basketball, baseball/volleyball/soccer will be next. The only thing that keeps those sports from already having it, is that there are big "travel" ball programs that have invested into making those sports big outside of the school setting, football has never really had that. Once players/agents figure out how to get some of that NIL money for high school kids, just wait, there will be an IMG everywhere. The only difference is that IMG started for years as a tennis/golf academy school. Built up an infrastructure and then went all in on football. As for Bishop Sycamore, we have talked before that "new" school should start further down the classifications because they don't have a winning culture. An online-charter school with two years existence is not going to have a winning culture either. While IMG deserves some blame (fool me once, etc), ESPN should be taken out to the woodshed for this kind of tomfoolery. They are trying to do HS sports on the cheap. You want a marquee match-up pay for it. Paragon Marketing is also to play for this. They are one of those companies who put together the "National Championships" in basketball, but it really only ever includes the IMG type schools for basketball. If ESPN was for real about this for , then they should: Bring one of those North NJ Catholic teams to play Aquinas or IMG, or better yet, do a rivalry game. I don't even care the level of play. Pahokee vs Glades Central Dillard v Boyd Anderson Northwestern v Central/Jackson/BTW or whoever the Soul Bowl is considered to day Any game out in the panhandle with some of the mid-size rural schools. ESPN does this because they want stars, not teams. Senior Tim Tebow of Nease moves the TV needle, and a solid Bartram Trail/Raines team does not. ESPN should be showing the pageantry of high school football. Show me the 300 person marching band at a Texas High School, show me the BBQ, the tailgating. Take me to the hole in wall BBQ/hamburger place where the entire town eats before the game. Interview the graduate from 1968 who hasn't missed a game other than for his brother's wedding in California (which he cusses at him every time for missing that game). ESPN treats high school sports like they are filming for ESPN the Ocho. And I get it, LLWS has some sentimentality to it and it really is just a cool way to see kids experience athletic success. So they send big name announcers, they put on a high level production of it. But high school sports? ESPN mails it in, everytime. ESPN has a chance to improve this weekend on ESPN U, Friday Night at 8 pm Lake Gibson at Valdosta, while Valdosta is exactly the type of school that should be highlighted, Valdosta has not been in the news for anything good with the firing of Coach Probst. I am willing to bet that most of the pre-game conversations will focus on that.

Going down 10 early, you could feel the doubt creeping in the stands especially after that first drive went nowhere. The INT made it a game. The punt return gave the lead and CHS never looked back, but the INT seemed to relieve a lot of worry in the stands. Peterson's catch and run, was important because AH was scratching back into game and had pinned CHS deep. The 95 yard catch put AH on hold.

Good job by Columbia. Offense started slow with penalties on the first drive and team went down 10 quickly. 2 Momentum plays were the INT that got Columbia on the board and WR Marcus Peterson's 95 yard catch and run. I think Columbia scored 20 straight points without ever putting the offense on the field. Good job to Columbia.

Create a topic that will bring Madison County to talk about how great they are if you are being held hostage by your wife.