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Honestly, I look at the 7A classification and I am excited for every round of playoffs. Sure, some teams are probably a little overmatched, and might not be able to sustain that level of success for another 5 years, but who cares, if they struggle, they will move down and a rising team will take their place.
I look at 6A and I don't see a clear favorite at all, which is what you want. You want teams believing that anybody can win, it encourages people to be participatory, because there is a belief that they might be the next champion versus knowing that they have to play the traditional powerhouse who always wins.
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So I will continue to beat the drum for promotion and relegation, simply as a way to increase participation in the sport. Nobody (good teams or bad) want to play teams that they are overmatched with. My belief is that a promotion and relegation system allows recently good teams to play other recently good teams in the regular season and recently bad teams to play recently bad teams. Thus encouraging competitive games, rather than blowouts.
No, it doesn't solve the transfer issue, but unless the state legislature changes, that issue isn't going to stop. Additionally, I think the expectation of being able to transfer for any reason has made it's way to the college level (transfer portal), so high schools on some level are just mirroring that (for better or worse). Sadly, I don't think we are ever going back to the days of transfers sitting out for a year.
Do I think it will make the transfer issue worse? It might, but as a coach, I would be more frustrated losing a player to a school in my classification than losing that player to a "better" school where I will most likely never play that player again. I just think the sting will hurt less (not that it won't exist).______________________
So my basic premise:
1A stays as is, mostly because it has proven highly success for those schools.
If you have not had a football program since 2018, you start at the lowest level (no matter the size of your school).
This leaves 449 schools to play in my 6 classifications. Classification 2A and 3A will NOT play to a state championship, but only to a Northern/Southern championship, so that nobody accuses them of winning a state championship equal to that of the top classifications.
7A - 32 Schools (All teams make playoffs, required to play 7 other 7A schools)
6A - 32 Schools (All teams make playoffs, required to play 7 other 6A schools)
5A - 64 Schools (8 districts, 8 teams per district, top 4 district records make playoffs (similar to Georgia)
4A - 64 Schools (8 districts, 8 teams per district, top 4 district records make playoffs (similar to Georgia)
3A - 128 Schools (16 districts, 8 teams per district, top 2 district records make playoffs (similar to old system)
2A - 129 Schools (16 districts, 8 teams per district, top 2 district records make playoffs (similar to old system)
1A - Same as PreviousClassifications are based on the average 2018, 2019, 2021, and 2022 MaxPreps ratings (I did not use 2020 due to pandemic weirdness)
7A- American Heritage (Plantation)
- Apopka
- Armwood (Seffner)
- Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
- Bolles (Jacksonville)
- Booker T. Washington (Miami)
- Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)
- Central (Miami)
- Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood)
- Clearwater Central Catholic (Clearwater)
- Cocoa
- Columbus (Miami)
- Dillard (Fort Lauderdale)
- Edgewater (Orlando)
- Florida State University High School (Tallahassee)
- Jesuit (Tampa)
- Jones (Orlando)
- Lakeland
- Naples
- Northwestern (Miami)
- Osceola (Kissimmee)
- Palmetto (Miami)
- Riverview Sarasota (Sarasota)
- Rockledge
- Seminole (Sanford)
- St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
- Tampa Bay Tech (Tampa)
- Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie)
- Trinity Christian Academy (Jacksonville)
- Venice
- Vero Beach
- West Orange (Winter Garden)
6A
- Atlantic (Delray Beach)
- Berkeley Prep (Tampa)
- Buchholz (Gainesville)
- Carol City (Miami)
- Columbia (Lake City)
- Crestview
- Deerfield Beach
- Dr. Phillips (Orlando)
- Escambia (Pensacola)
- Flagler Palm Coast (Palm Coast)
- Gulliver Prep (Miami)
- Lake Gibson (Lakeland)
- Lake Mary
- Lake Wales
- Lakewood (St. Petersburg)
- Lincoln (Tallahassee)
- Mainland (Daytona Beach)
- Mandarin (Jacksonville)
- Miramar
- Niceville
- Norland (Miami)
- Palm Beach Central (Wellington)
- Palmetto
- Pine Forest (Pensacola)
- Plantation
- Raines (Jacksonville)
- Riverside (Jacksonville)
- Vanguard (Ocala)
- Wakulla (Crawfordville)
- Wekiva (Apopka)
- Western (Davie)
- Winter Park
- Dr. D and Nulli Secundus
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On 12/31/2022 at 4:16 PM, PinellasFB said:
Alstott is done coaching? Didn't his son play there or something?
https://news.scorebooklive.com/florida/2022/12/06/mike-alstott-steps-down-as-northside-christian-head-coach
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Rocky Bayou Christian
From the FHSAA website
"Looking to hire a football coach ready to work in a Christian school building up young men for the gory of God"I know I make mistakes, but in my professional life, I really double and triple check before sending something out to the public.
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14 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
That’s cowardice and I wouldn’t want a coach with that kind of chest leading young men who look to them as strong male leaders.
Different time, but there used to be a point when recruiting/transfers for high school athletics was considered dirty and underhanded. OTC was doing that. In order to not make OTC's job easier to recruit them, you don't play them and make them travel an hour and half away.
Look, I get your thinking. The football coach at my high school believed that the homecoming game should be the best home game on the schedule (no cupcakes). He believed you give the alumni the best show you can, because they probably are only coming to this one game. He wasn't afraid of local state caliber teams.
At the same time, I get the Marion County coaches thinking. If you are going to blatantly disrespect my program by recruiting my players (after you see them at our game), why would I want to make your life easier? Yeah, it is petty, but also a way of protecting my program. I don't think this factors in as much as it used to (the bigger factor is level of competition that Marion County offers or doesn't offer) -
In the past there was definitely a coordinated effort by the public schools of Marion to avoid OTC. Kerwin Bell's years. As OTC fell from that standard and Vanguard/North Marion got to keep their players, they started putting OTC back on the schedule. As you see OTC start to rise again, expect Marion County Publics to avoid OTC.
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8 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:
Seeing what Bishop Gorman did to Chaminade Madonna is all I needed to see so them playing Central is pointless. Now Central and St. Thomas is a match I'd like to see. If I'm not mistaken they've played before but once in 2018. Central won 43-27 at St. Thomas
I am always confused on why more of the south Florida powers don't play each other, specifically St. Thomas Aquinas. Why don't they play Central, Northwestern, Carol City, American Heritage (Plantation), Columbus, Cardinal Gibbons more often or regularly?
Don't get me wrong, they bring in or travel to some top teams, but I would think, they could do that locally as well.
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5 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Palm Bay Heritage has their new coach as does Bayside
Palm Bay Heritage - Mykel Benson
- KeemD321 and Nulli Secundus
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Parrish Community High School
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Fleming Island - Chad Parker
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9 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Thanks for sharing the attendance figures that are a little eye opening particularly since the numbers for most years are disappointing compared to 2007. Also interesting that this years totals were the most since then (15 years ago). Folks can draw their own conclusions of why this year was the best in your sample.
The average attendance was lower than 2008 (we had 9 games this year compared to previous years of 8), but yes, better attendance. It helps when hometown teams are in the finals (FSU High in Tallahassee, STA, American Heritage-Plantation, Miami Central for Ft. Lauderdale).
A little surprised that Venice and Lakeland didn't draw better than Mainland/Lake Wales considering both were in the early slot and that Venice/Lakeland was on Saturday.
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2007 52,750 AVG 6594
2008 36,087 AVG 4511
2009 33,008 AVG 4126
2010 33,653 AVG 4207
2011 27,164 AVG 3396
2012 29,953 AVG 3744
2013 25,603 AVG 3200
2014 28,062 AVG 3508
2015 29,078 AVG 3635
2016 33,082 AVG 4135
2017 30,719 AVG 3840
2018 26,673 AVG 3334
2019 33,568 AVG 4196
2020 15,449 AVG 1931
2021 26,849 AVG 3356
2022 38,306 AVG 4256
2017 1A: 3717
2017 2A: 1287
2017 3A: 1355
2017 4A: 4276
2017 5A: 4143
2017 6A: 5805
2017 7A: 4236
2017 8A: 5900
Total: 30,7192018 1A: ***
2018 2A: 1052
2018 3A: 1722
2018 4A: 3213
2018 5A: 3644
2018 6A: 5907
2018 7A: 6693
2018 8A: 4442
Total: 26,6732019 1A: 4229
2019 2A: 963
2019 3A: 2832
2019 4A: 1910
2019 5A: 9522
2019 6A: 2233
2019 7A: 5248
2019 8A: 6631
Total: 33,5682020 1A: 2034
2020 2A: 831
2020 3A: 1229
2020 4A: 1344
2020 5A: 3704
2020 6A: 1668
2020 7A: 1632
2020 8A: 3007
Total: 15,4492021 1A: 3474
2021 2A: 991
2021 3A: 1172
2021 4A: 4533
2021 5A: 3980
2021 6A: 2447
2021 7A: 6370
2021 8A: 3882
Total: 26,8492022 1R: 2691
2022 1S: 1461
2022 2S: 3374
2022 3S: 4236
2022 4S: 3184
2022 1M: 1322
2022 2M: 9704
2022 3M: 5430
2022 4M: 6904
Total: 38,306- DarterBlue2, KeemD321 and PinellasFB
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Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach)
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Menendez (St. Augustine)
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Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)
Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
Olympic Heights (Boca Raton)
Palmetto Ridge (Naples)
Fort Walton Beach -
Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville)
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- American Heritage (Delray Beach) - New Coach Brandon Rooze
- Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville) - New Coach Darryl Bartley
- Atlantic Coast (Jacksonville)- New Coach Step Durham
- Astronaut (Titusville) New Head Coach Logan Hallock
- Atlantic (Delray Beach)
- Avant Garde (Hollywood)
- Aubrey Rogers (Naples) - New Coach JJ Everage
- Bartram Trail (St. Johns) New Coach Cory Johns
- Bartow - New Coach Tyler Eden
- Bayside (Palm Bay) New Coach Billy Miller
- Bell Creek (Riverview)
- Belleview New Coach Thomas Elliot
- Bloomingdale (Valrico) - New Coach Patrick Murphy
- Boca Raton - New Coach Alex Savakinas
- Bradenton Christian - New Coach John Warren
- Brandon - New Coach Bruce McCaleb
- Buchholz (Gainesville) - New Coach Chuck Bell
- Cambridge (Tampa) - New Coach Brian Palone
- Centennial (Port St. Lucie) New Coach Jacob Turay
- Central Florida Christian (Orlando)
- Citrus (Inverness) New Coach Josh Ross
- Clewiston - New Coach Andrew Powell
- Colonial (Orlando) - Woody Cox
- Columbia (Lake City) - New Coach Brian Allen
- Cooper City - New Coach Art Taylor
- Coral Park (Miami) -
- Cypress Creek -
- Deltona - New Coach Matt Martin
- DeSoto County (Arcadia) - New Coach Jeff Lee
- Englewood (Jacksonville) - New Coach Kevin Johnson
- Evans (Orlando) - New Coach Karlos Odum
- Father Lopez (Daytona Beach) - New Coach Matt Nasser
- Flagler-Palm Coast - New Coach Daniel Fish
- Fleming Island - New Coach Chad Parker
- Fort Walton Beach - New Coach Bobby Clayton
- Fort White - Demetric Jackson
- Frostproof New Coach Richie Marsh
- Gainesville - New Coach Ian Scott
- Gibbs (St. Petersburg) - New Coach Emerson Clarke
- Gulf Breeze - New Coach Jeff Gierke
- Hamilton County (Jasper) New Coach Chris Cook
- Harmony (St. Cloud) - New Coach Nick Lippert (interim)
- Hilliard - New Coach Daniel Thomas
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- Homestead - New Coach Ronnie Thorton Jr.
- Keystone Heights New Coach Steve Reynolds (Scroll Down)
- King's Academy (West Palm Beach)- New Coach Dan Burack
- Lake Nona (Orlando) - New Coach David Aubrey
- Lakeland New Coach Marvin Frazier
- Lakewood Ranch - New Coach Scott Paravicini
- Lecanto - New Coach Jacob Coulson
- Leesburg New Coach Steven Moffett
- Legacy Charter (Ocoee) - New Coach Zach Fox
- Lehigh (Lehigh Acres) - New Coach Casey Creehan
- Lely (Naples) - New Coach Ben Hammer
- Liberty (Kissimmee) - New Coach Dee Hart
- Melbourne Central Catholic = New Coach Nate Hooks
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Menendez (St. Augustine) -
New Coach Ben WhiteNew Coach Anthony Rivers - Miami
- Miami Carol City New Coach Derrick Baker
- Mount Dora Christian - New Coach Kolby Tackett
- Mulberry - New Coach Brad Metheny
- Munroe (Havana) - New Coach Michael Gaines
- Nature Coast (Brooksville) - New Coach Robert Kazmier
- North Fort Myers - New Coach David Pasquale
- Northeast (Oakland Park) - New Coach Kevin Claxton
- Northside Christian (St. Petersburg) - New Coach Bailey Granier
- Northwestern (Miami) - New Coach Michaelee Harris
- Nova (Davie) - New Coach Tyrus McCloud
- Oak Ridge (Orlando) - New Coach Andrew Anderson
- Oakleaf (Orange Park) New Coach Christopher Foy
- Ocoee - New Coach Sheddrick Gurley
- Olympic Heights (Boca Raton) New Coach Brian Pulaski
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- Pahokee - New Coach Matthew Sparrowhawk
- Palm Bay - New Coach Dan Burke
- Palm Bay Heritage - New Coach Mykel Benson
- Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach) New Coach Tumarian Moreland
- Palmetto - New Coach Rashad West
- Palmetto Ridge (Naples) - New Coach Zach Yates
- Parrish Community - New Coach Dylan Clark
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- Pine Forest - New Coach Tony Carter
- Piper (Sunrise) - New Coach Quentin Short
- Plant City New Coach Terrence Hicks
- Port St. Lucie
- Ridge Community (Davenport) - New Coach Richard Tate
- Riverdale (Fort Myers) - New Coach Kendoll Gibson
- Robinson (Tampa) New Coach Mike Williams
- Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville) - New Coach KC Woods
- Rutherford (Panama City) - New Coach Albert Floyd
- Sarasota - New Coach Josh Phillips
- Seabreeze (Daytona Beach) - New Coach Lester Davis
- Seminole (Sanford) - New Coach Karl Calhoun
- Somerset Academy Charter (Pembroke Pines)
- Somerset Academy Charter (Silver Palms) - New Coach Matt Dixon
- South Lake (Groveland) - New Coach Brad Lord
- Southwest Florida Christian (Fort Myers)
- Stoneman Douglas (Parkland) - New Coach Keith Hindsley
- Sunlake - New Coach BJ Hall
- Tavares - New Coach Gavin Jones
- The Master's Academy (Oviedo) - New Coach Garrett Kruczek
- Tocoi Creek (St. Augustine) - New Coach Zach Harbison
- Trinity Christian (Deltona) - New Coach Bill Cosens
- Trinity Prep (Winter Park)
- Umatilla - New Coach Eric Samuels
- University (Orange City) - New Coach Justin Roberts
- Wellington - New Coach Ross Pryor
- West Nassau New Coach Gunnar Cox
- Westland Hialeah
- Westminster Academy (Miami)
- Wharton (Tampa) New Coach Robert Baham Jr.
- Winter Haven - New Coach Carl White
- Wolfson - New Coach Jermaine Wilson
I usually try to post the coaching changes, I am sure there are other changes that are coming or already made. Please free to post them (or the newspaper/twitter confirmation)
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3 hours ago, LakelandGator said:
And that is a truly bad reflection on the schools in the North and Panhandle area that Columbia advanced out of that region.
Columbia is a poorly coached team. It was shocking and embarrassing what Lake Wales did to them. The Highlanders are good, but that good? I guess we will see more in 2 weeks.
Columbia OL/DL had a size advantage but looked slow and out of shape. How can a team lack conditioning in December?
The group of us that scouted that game could not believe our eyes. We expected a close down to the wire contest. The other game in Polk was closer than expected and the game we should have attended.
I don't know it is a bad reflection on the Panhandle/North, but there aren't that many good teams North of Orlando this year in any classification. Buchholz, Columbia, Bradford, FSU High, Bolles are the only schools North of Ocala that made the Final Four (not counting Rural Classification) and only FSU remains.
I just don't think this was the North's year. As for the OL, I don't think CHS has a good OL since Laremy Tunsil over 10 years ago. This year was no different. I would love to hear what @DisabledAccounthas to say about this. -
1 hour ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
Columbia deserved to be the favorite based on SOS alone. Lake Wales dominated them, but I thought that Columbia would win because of how well they played after their loss to TCA. They built a lot of momentum that was blown in one night. Lake Wales deserved to win last night, and I think they will crush Mainland in the finals to take home the 3S trophy. The final score shocked me a little, though!
I will state this year's Columbia team (even in last year's classification/bracket) probably still is a final four team. Having said that, this team wasn't complete or consistent. They depended entirely too much on their defense to make scoring opportunities rather than their offense to be able to march down the field methodically. All 3 of their playoff wins were relatively low scoring games by the offense, even in the regular season Columbia's district wins against easy opponents didn't come easy. They didn't dominate. They didn't put that running clock up early (other than Ridgeview).
The team once again asked the defense to bail them out, keep them in the game, and find opportunities to score as the offense failed to be able to do anything consistent. Honestly, the result didn't surprise at all (maybe the margin). If you are going to be a state championship team, you need to do one thing great and other things good. Columbia played great defense (until last night), but their offense was anything but good.- VeniceIndianFan and KeemD321
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Does anybody have any idea of what days/time the games are? Like when each classification is playing. How does the FHSAA determine this?
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23 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Well I'm gonna take the ballsy move anyway
I've seen all the talk Lake Wales and Polk County been doing on Twitter and writing this in as a easy win for Lake Wales so I'm gonna prove just how confident I am in Columbia
Forget the original bet, I will put my Columbiafan moniker on this site on the line on Columbia beating Lake Wales because if I can't beat an overrated and overconfident Highlander team than I don't deserve to post with that name anymore on this site and I will gladly take the moniker with the most posts and likes in Florida HS Football.com history and walk into retirement
Lake Wales thinks they can end Columbia but we aren't some JV team, Columbia has 715 program wins on its back and if they think they will disrespect us and talk about how they gonna walk over Columbia they will learn the hard way what Lincoln, Escambia and Choctawhatchee have already learned this postseason
Is this going to be like on FlaVarsity, where you just went to a different account, but still kept posting?
Promotion and Relegation
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Classifcation 5A
District 1
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District 3
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District 6
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