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14 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Too bad we can't find a way to install a merit based system into these type of municipal/state employees pay plan as some teachers should be making six figures while sadly others are overpaid; same disparity is evident in firefighters, law enforcement, etc... regarding job performance. The private sector as a general rule is merit based and while I believed the same could be done at school, most administrators had the same lame excuse. It was too subjective to determine good teachers from bad, yet the students can tell you but the administrator can not? ..... PITIFULL!! Earlier comments about starting teachers pay in FL getting a bump is correct as they earn more than those in adjoining states, but the pay is pretty much the same at 15 and 30 years for FL, GA, AL, SC, etc... Coaching stipends is a whole nother issue when compared with other states. This pretty much sums up why I left the teaching/coaching profession after 7 years and joined the private sector. Merit (job performance) should mean something.
impossible to merit system teachers. whos going to justify why the young english ( 4 yrs of that required to graduate) deserves higher pay than the old grumpy elective teacher, say PE(only need 1 year) who is set in their ways becuase thats how they do it.
each of those teachers have their place, the young teacher who is hip and funny and teachers modern and the old grizzled vet who keeps the kids in check and teaches like its 1988 still.
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28 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
This bill has zero chance of passing. No way Florida will ever pay teachers and coaches well. State does not give a crap about education so good teachers and coaches leave the state in droves. Dont get me started on the crazy laws about movies, books and what is taught in schools. The last big raise was all for new teachers and gave the veteran teachers squat.
im with you on this. i dont think all the school districts are paying the minimum either. school district gets this huge sum of money from state/govt, etc and sit on it to not pay teachers. orange county holds off on their contracts til the end of year and pays all this back pay to everyone so it can get a years worth of interest on millions of dollars. (sister teacher there)
they have the money to pay everyone, BS they dont.....
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underpaid teachers, underpaid coaches, why in the world would this pass?
anyone want to make some extra money, start a high school coaches moving company. get a couple uhual trucks and make a ton of money driving to georgia weekly.
will be interesting to see if this thing were to pass,
- gatorman-uf and Ray Icaza
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On 2/4/2024 at 1:35 PM, Longtime Observer said:
Surely you recognize how this could lead to some terrible classifications. After all, you are the outspoken critic of teams running up great records against lesser competition...
terrible, yes,
but if the bad teams are playing the bad teams, and the good teams are playing the good teams and the great teams are playing the great teams,
didnt everyone get what they wanted? dont allow teams to play out of class either, that would eliminate class 5 playing class 1 to pad their record to stay up.
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20 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
For all the crybabies posting on here. Explain why so much hate. Maybe you loved being able to thrown the best teams out of your division and let the metro teams beat the crap out of each other in that horrible system where the metro counties did not even go by population but some bs density rule. Its basically the same system we had for decades. Enrollment based classification. hello. Go to promotion and demotion and hardly anybody would drop out. Let the cream of the crop ruse to top 3 divisions and rest fight it out for regional non-state titles below. The reason teams are dropping like flies is that they cant compete with the transfer recruiting cheating teams. Why would bad Orlando 7A teams want to compete with an all star team Edgewater? You will never get real change going by population alone and we all know it. So crybabies. What system do you want h8r?
system,
i didnt think the metro suburban deal was that awful, who was in those seperated classes, thats a different story. if they would have truly used county population, maybe it would have worked better. I dont think coaches minded it to be honest. what if they would have used school district size instead of county population? how would that have changed things?
I do think the move up move down every cycle would be something intriguing for sure, be pretty awesome to see some teams that pad the record with "bum wins" get moved up to a tougher division and those who dont belong, get moved down. cut back to like 4 classes with 1 or 2 open division classes-
the district sceneiro of no scheduled games really made some sense, the district title championship weeks was pretty interesting and could have been something they could market for sure, however, teams all having a bye week 9 and then trying to find games weeks 10 and 11 would have been impossible for most. keeping the kids locked in for those 2 weeks would also have been impossible.
how would the rivalry weeks go? most teams play that week 11, what happens if team A is in dist title game, etc. so i can see why they squashed it.
something has to be done, nobody will agree with anyones plans, im not smart enough to come up with the actual plan and dont have nearly the time to make it work correctly.
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what a friggin joke this turned out to be.
I would say fhsaa is scrambling to fix it sooner than later, but I seriously doubt it a great deal. complete S-Show.
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anyone know when thats happening?
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On 1/4/2024 at 11:20 AM, Hwy17 said:
You beat me to it. But isn't SSAC all small private schools that didn't want to be part of the old class 2A? Would they allow publics to join ? I was suggesting 400+ schools going independent, play 10 games and maybe a bowl. Make Chaminades and STAs play each other.
there are alot of public schools in the atlantic portion.
Cocoa Beach 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Interlachen 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Paxon 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Stanton 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Space Coast 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Tradition Prep 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Lake Weir 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Sebastian River 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Bronson 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Bell High 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Coral Springs Charter I think sebastian river won this "state title" last year.
can clearly see why,
I can also see why some independent teams would benefit going to this.
as a large public high school, the aura of a state championship is way to alluring.
but lets be serious,,,, to win the "atlantic" state championship of the ssac is comical.
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15 hours ago, Dr. D said:
That's pretty much how an enrollment-based system works.
Thanks capt obvious.
Point being, it's a tattered and broken system that needs revamped, considering 2016 was the last time this specific way of doing things was done....
Fhsaa never let's us down with their forward thinking! Oops....I mean backward thinking....
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12 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Actually the Rockledge district isn't too ludacris knowing that they were in that very same type of district before. Check the mid 2000s and 90s. They were in districts that included New Smyrna and Seabreeze as well. Even when I played for Rockledge we had Seabreeze. So it's not far off from the old districts. Only difference is there aren't any Brevard teams in it due to enrollment and no Jones in district
That's the Ludacris part......no local teams and drive to the Daytona area to play all your games....who wants to do that on a Friday afternoon.
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some sheer ridiculousness going on
take this one for example
Auburndale 4A 2 7
Jones (Orlando)
Lake Region (Eagle Lake)Lake Wales
now why in the heck would downtown orlando have to travel to the middle of polk county and nowhere.
that is awful, to see lake wales and jones battle, not awful. lots of dudes on the field.
or this one
Forest (Ocala) 6A 2 6
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Lake Minneola
South Lake (Groveland)how in gods name did ocala forest travel all the way to clermont/orlando, passing
this district
Evans (Orlando) 6A 1 4
Lake Howell (Winter Park)
Oviedo
Wekiva (Apopka)the sheer intelligence of the fhsaa seems to be one nobody would understand.
they literally put all the teams in order of attendance records and said ok, yall are kinda close in distance, boom.
the rockledge one with all the daytona schools is just as ludacris
what a joke
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1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:
Never said I would or mentioned transpor. But it seems like you glossed over the portion where I said to have their district games be teams they normally play already in 1R or pretty much the schedules they've been playing. So with that travel wouldn't be an issue since they are already playing those games and if they aren't able to make it happen then they have the option of going independent.
not gonna lie, i did look over that,
however,
whats the point if they are going to play those teams anyways? why not just let that dog lie and leave the one thing the fhsaa has actually done right for a change....
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3 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Need to get rid of Rural and place them in there respective classifications but have it set up to where their districts are the teams they normally played while in 1R and if they don't want that then they can go independent
whos paying for their transportation? you? easy to say do this do that, but if your less than 500 kids in a school whats friday night football gate look like? possibly packed, yes, but those funds pay for most other non revenue sports(swimming, tennis, etc). so a 5 hour bus ride is expensive
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15 hours ago, Beek said:
I will say this for myself. I am a coach who had to find a way to teach. In my opinion you must be on campus to be an effective head coach. You need to be able to mingle, see the students, recruit the halls. Be there for the students in their time of need. If you are not a teacher or a district employee. How can you be in the halls all day. I teach Auto shop. Im not a college educated educator, who has never been outside the walls. I have seen what reality looks like. I have coached kids from 4years old up. I have dedicated my life to coaching. I really enjoy teaching automotive technology to my students. But the main reason I am there is to be a coach! Unfortunately it also hampers my ability to coach at every school. Only a very few have automotive.
But to answer the question originally asked. If I was an AD. What would I look for in a head coach.
1. Why did you leave your previous job? (If this is your first time as a head coach, why do you think you are ready to make that leap. This will involve a whole different set of added questions) (is this an upward career move? Were you fired? why? )
2. How long were you at your previous job? (do you move around a lot. Can I count on you staying to build/rebuild a program. Or will you be jumping ship for the next latest greatest. Towards your career advancement)
3. What is your vision for this program? (Have you done your research, Do you know the community, do you know the accolades and the pitfalls of the program. Demographics, are these kids you can work with and make successful? )
4. What do you bring to the table? (What sets you apart from all other applicants, What skills or accolades do you have that would make you the best candidate for the job?)
5. Can you assemble a staff? ( who do you know, what is your plan to put coaches in place. Cannot be just rehire the previous staff. But retaining some or all of them could be a benefit if they are good at what they do!
6. How do you handle off season work outs? (what was the prior participation, can you maintain or improve the participation? How will you achieve that? )
7. fundraising!, program budget. (if the coach doesn't ask these questions there may be a big problem, As we all know football programs are not funded by districts, What is your plan, past experience and researched goals for the new program. )
8. Recruiting? ( what have you done, college contacts? how many kids from your previous place obtained scholarships? )
I will continue to edit this post as more thoughts come to mind
I ll ask you questions 4 thru 8......
what are you doing for these things, since you seem to be on the board as a known coach.....
ill wait
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On 12/15/2023 at 9:43 PM, Beek said:
So the Poinciana head coach job goes to Tayron Mallard. 25 years old. He was a high school OC for 6 games. This was his first full season as a high school football coach. He volunteered the year before part time. No disrespect to him. But I fail to see how he is ready to take on a high school football program as a head coach. In my humble opinion, the inner workings of a football program go so much deeper than the on field part. He is an alumni and I was told that he knew the kids and that was the reason for his hire.
Again, absolutely no disrespect to him. I truly hope he is successful in continuing what I had started.
youve stated repeatedly, youve moved on.
so let it go, get over it, move on,
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12 hours ago, Coach O said:
Whew!!! My son would never play for some of you coaches. What message are we teaching kids that winning a participation trophy is ok? Teach your child to be the best he can be and sometimes that means playing the best. Ever heard of David and Goliath,,, hell have you heard of Bradford and Norland….
football is not for everyone; that’s why each school has multiple sports. Also what about softball, baseball, swimmming, volleyball, golf, bowling, lacrosse, you do know that most down south schools get a running clock in most if not all these sports. But you don’t hear them complaints, they simply play another sport!
this year we had GEOGRAPHICAL AREA CHAMPIONS. Not
STATE CHAMPIONS,. Any outsider that reads this- We have suburban champions. That really says it all
The State champions means what is says - The “state of Florida” Champions!! Glad we are going back to that model
im simply just laughing at this, because of the most insane thing Ive read today, so far.
you said running clocks in most if not all of these sports
baseball, softball, golf, bowling, volleyball.....SWIMMING!!!
whatever it is that you had to drink to come up with this sheer nonsense, please enlighten the board, we all want to sip on that good good.
FFS,
- Ray Icaza, TigerKing, CoachGraham and 1 other
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part of the proposal won 9-4, and then they dice up the rest of it.
I think they jumped the gun on squashing this new idea, some tweaks to it, but it really wasnt an awful idea with dist tournament in football. trying to find games would be the tall task for those dominate programs. and then finding 2 games if you didnt make the tournament, also an interesting mess.
a solution would be those 2 weeks if your not in, are mandatory district play. have to have 8 team district, which is what everyone really wants, top 4 play for title, bottom 4 figure it out and play.
i thought it was interesting to see they snuck in mandatory bye for everyone week 10 and play dist tourney 11 and 12....so schools would get 2 byes in the season....why? week 10 in florida, no games. smh...
going backwards is A typical of the fhsaa, seriously, eveyrone hated the old way, most hate the new way, others would hate the proposed system.
cant please anyone or shouldnt even try to please anyone, figure it out and stand by it.
maybe the board should be in charge of figuring it all out instead of just knocking holes in the plan. some of them have zero business being on the board anyways.....
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2 Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) 13-0 72.20 26.9
3 St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) 13-1 69.40 36.4
4 Cocoa 13-1 64.60 36.0
5 Norland (Miami) 14-0 63.60 33.3
6 Venice 12-2 58.80 29.4
7 Mandarin (Jacksonville) 11-3 56.30 33.7
8 Buchholz (Gainesville) 13-1 56.30 34.9
9 Central (Miami) 8-4 55.80 43.6This is the top 8(IMG was 1st)....
according to maxpreps rankings, which is what they will be using
thats 8 loaded teams and 4 or 5 state champs and all 8 could possibly win state titles
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dont qualify for dist tourney,
scheduling 2 games will be very tough, with kids who may be mentally out of it because they didnt make post season.
lots of teams have rivalry games last 2 weeks of season, to keep some focus in a bad/tough season.
and theroritcally,
you could play the same team 3x
during the season, dist tourney, playoffs(round 2 or beyond).
not that it doesnt happen in nfl, but thats crazy,
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did the open 32 pass? anyone have any information?
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not img, but 1st academy. especially with the latest info out there about the "co" coaching situation there. which is total BS, dude brings his whole staff with him, so now there are 2 headers and 2 coaches for all the spots. either that wont work like thye planned or its a total farce to sell the kids their coaches aint leaving.
could easily see the allure of going to TFA for many kids, great facilities, some of the best recruited kids in the area, the real shot at winning a state title.
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On 11/9/2023 at 5:39 PM, Ray Icaza said:
Thanks for the reporting on these bowl games. As "BAD" as these Osceola county HS teams were this year, obviously there are many schools that are much worse.
after looking at max preps, toho finished with 6 wins and a major shock when I looked was st cloud with 8 wins? regardless of who they played, 6 and 8 wins is alot, compared to others in central florida that would be happy as heck with that many wins.
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this open deal goes according to plan, distircts but not having to play anyone in there, will see alot of interesting schedules. will be a bit of a nightmare for those trying to find 9 games. play who you want, turns into I want to go 9-1 and be happy with losing in "dist title game" and not making playoffs....
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playing the hardest sked in the state, doesnt instantly make you tough.
ultimate team sport, if 1/11th of a unit messes up, the entire offesne, defense, special teams loses.
10/11 do their job, fill the appropriate run fits, drop into correct coverage. the 11th misses his gap on his run fit and waterfall downhill effect takes place and the dam has multiple holes in it to be plugged by only a couple hands, it doesnt work like that.
in other sports maybe,
flip side is no different, playing a weaker sked doesnt make things better against a power house. easy blocks vs a weak dl or coverage vs a poor wr does not give you extra confidence vs the stud teams.
double edged sword as previously mentioned.
3 games you will win, 3 games you will struggle but could win , 3 games you will need to play well to even keep it close. and 1 game to keep you humble.
even then it doesnt matter much.
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low pay and high expense on housing, while are in the talks, coaches are leaving becuase of resources. Mike Coe of coffee who was at union county and was a state championship contender year in and out, leaves to go to ga, in 3 seasons they went 15-0 this past yr, have an indoor field being built, makes a ton of money, all his 20 coaches do as well. resources, the ability to say if we want something, we dont have to sell discount cards and do car washes to buy 10 helmets, we go to people with power/money/boosters/etc and say we need 10 helmets. look up his twitter, thats where this all came from.
camden county and travis roland, same deal. win a title at mainland and goes fundraising the next week. or go to camden, takes his staff, make more money, have incredible resources to facilitate what a state championship program should look like, same-read his twitter.
id say majority of coaches would work in FL for what coaches rate is, if there were resources available that if you ask for it, its done. not having to spend the summer selling cards or raffle tickets or whatever they do....