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15 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
This aint your daddy's Brandon wrestling team anymore. Brandon has fallen off the globe from what they were when we were in HS. But now you have top teams like South Dade, Lake Gibson, Somerset Academy, and Tampa Jesuit that pretty much dominate the sport in the state of florida. Somerset is a school that takes full advantage of the situation that I explained earlier. They also have a lot of kids that go there and wrestle in grades 6 through 8th and then transfer to South Dade for freshman year or stay at Somerset. They even had a kid the past few years that would play football for Western HS and wrestle for Somerset. It is what it is....The system is F'ed and there aint no going back.
south dade has been a top team for well over 20 years! lake gibson gets all the transfers in central florida it wants, read a wrestling message board and see the truth behind that. there are kids that transfer from brandon and go to lake gibson and win big, has happened 2 or 3 times in the last few seasons. south dade long time hc just retired and his long time assistant, who wrestled for him, is taking over. could be a new power house in the state. jesuit is alwasy good and has been for a long time, dating back 15 plus years. brandon is not near what they were when cozart was in charge(even though his son is hc and he is still coming in working with kids, sitting in the corner, coaching offseason kids).
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19 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
It is in cruel jest that some FHSAA investigator making six figures, driving a luxury company vehicle up to a trailer or public housing knocking on the door to tell some high school student that the punishment for trying to pull his family out of poverty is athletic ineligibility, essentially crushing his primary chance to escape poverty and change the trajectory of his family’s life for years to come.
you can disagree with what I’m saying, but please spare me any moral lecture about wanting to do right and what’s best for student athletes, especially ones in extreme need.
do some orlando sentinel research. the moffett guy brought 10-15 kids, tfa had over 30 transfers. the kids started particpating in spring ball, but were not enrolled in tfa. then they attended summer workouts and were not enrolled in tfa, he was also the main catalyst at winter park, as ray said above. he got them in trouble a couple times. took 7 starters from timber creek 1 year, day before fall season started. illegal addresses, no home at the address, just a mailbox, all from a 2nd coach on the winter park team who ownd a real estate business.....
when questioned(fhsaa has relased this, its a simple search) the kids all said coach moffett told me to come here.....
those 30 transfers dont even really go to tfa, they are enrolled in the school, but are housed in a portable and doing florida virtual school 2 days a week to keep up with being able to graduate(hearsay, i dont know it to be 100% true, know someone who was around the program last fall).
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
Ray, just saw where the head coach resigned? What's up with that?!?
jeff rolson, apopka.
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30 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
You do realize that spring results mean nothing right? My son’s team played a spring game and were without 6 starters who all made some form of all conference last year. Because they were running track and were deep into the season. They couldnt play spring ball and give up real track. And that was just the 6 who ran track. They have a transfer QB who on film looks way better than the backup was. (The starter from last season was a senior). And he couldn’t play in the spring game. Hes 6’4” with a rocket arm, and the backup is 5’10” who runs wildcat. Lol.
My son played Pop Warner with this stud kid who had like 16 touchdowns as a sophomore last year. This kid is special. But he got hurt in track and couldn’t participate in spring. He was the teams everything. QB/RB/WR/SS/KR/PR. He did it all. Now tell me that the team should be able to do just as good without him?
And lastly about Windermere. I’m didn’t call them trash. I said they believed in their heart that they are so bad, and have zero percent chance of sniffing any success in the playoffs, that they seceded and decided to play an independent schedule with other teams who are just as bad or worse than they are
valid, to a degree.
do they keep score? why wouldnt it just be a scrimmage then....
would you agree that a huge spring game win could catapult a team into fall success?
then a disappointing spring game loss could also push kids to transfer out----im gonna see how spring goes before making a decision--said every year.
and no you didnt say they were trash,
but they also didnt get killed by 2 of the premier programs in the state.
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On 5/24/2025 at 4:41 PM, nolebull813 said:
Thank you. Windermere is not even in the same stratosphere as these two. They can be at some point in life but not now. They are so bad that they left the FHSAA districts because they knew they didn’t have a snowball chance in hell. Kudos to them for realizing that and not watering down the districts. Kudos to all the other ones like Colonial, University, Oak Ridge etc.
If Windermere wants to get to the next level and graduate to varsity football, then they need to schedule some top Orlando teams in the regular season and eventually spring an upset
I dont know what planet yall are claiming to be from,
but losing 7-0 to the state runner up as the worst team you have seen ever, is a freaking win in anyones book. a half or not. windermere people are calling it a win, held mighty ohs to 7 and 21 to one of the best teams in the state in edgewater.
those are moral victories, other jamboree teams in the area putting up 20, 28, 35, 21 points in a half. 7-0 is not a good look vs the trash windermere team.
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22 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
In a partial spring game? Hmm that’s totally the exact same thing as a 4 quarter regular season game
but I thought they were so bad and only played against trash teams that didnt deserve to play varsity football? so mighty osceola should have put up tons of points with their vaunted wing t attack and inpenatrable defense. 7 points in a half vs a trash team,
superstar team edgewater put up 21 vs osceola, so their defense is pretty dang good to only allow that many points, 2 on blown assignments,
maybe trash windermere is better than you gave them credit.....
just sayin,
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On 5/19/2025 at 2:43 PM, nolebull813 said:
They would get killed Against both teams. They played one of the worst schedules in the state against teams that have no business playing varsity football. They were so bad that they had to secede out of district play for lack of competitive performances.
But I do want to be on record for agreeing 100% that every team who can’t compete in the playoffs should go the independent route. So kudos to them and the other teams who were proactive and understood the landscape.
so.......
talk to us about windermere getting killed.
osceola only beat them 7-0
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On 1/18/2025 at 1:46 PM, nolebull813 said:
I love this idea. More teams need to follow suit. I believe some Orlando area teams did this but they remained in the FHSAA as independents but only played each other. There was about 10 teams and they all played each other and I think 1 “non district” game.
It was 10 of the worst teams in the Orlando area who had less than a zero percent chance of winning state so it made sense.
my hope is one day there is a group of quality teams in one division and a group of not quality in the other. like a division one and division two. The SSAA can be the league of teams who have no chance to win a real championship so they can compete in a bottom tier league for their own title
it’s a win-win. Because it trims off all the fat and allows the teams who have a real chance compete for a real championship. While the other teams who normally would have no shot can stay separated, so it doesn’t water down the real league with a bunch of sacrificial lambs.
defintely was, and some false sense of hope for a couple of those schools that went 6-4, 7-3, 5-5, 10-0. the 10-0 team was getting all kinds of publicity in the local paper and online, good for them, seriosuly they beat up on the teams that are below the have nots, the never will haves or never come close's,
fhsaa and ssac should team up.
the bottom 25% of the bottom 25% get kicked to the other league. the best 1 or 2 teams in the other league have an option to join the big timers. do that every 2 years and literally at some point you will have 1 league very very high profile teams and 1 league of complete parity, any given year someone can win it all.
which is exaclty what we all want. the studs play each other and the ones who are not ready for that level play each other.
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12 hours ago, nhsehs said:
Hopefully this will make sense.
To put your situation in TX terms, the Palm Harbor area of Pinellas would likely be its own independent school district (PHISD).
That is a huge distinguishing factor that separates TX schools from FL. In this setup, PHISD sets forth policies and infrastructure in a way that reflects their community’s values.Because they are an affluent area, ~3% property taxes bring in an immense amount of money. That allows them to attract and retain high caliber teachers/coaches/administrators by paying them well and providing them with the resources they need (one of the noteworthy things about TX is that teachers do not complain about pay and there are FAR more young people going into education because it is a viable career due to the pay).
The other benefit of this is that when PHISD pays well, similar districts like “South Tampa ISD” or “Venice ISD” must follow suit to compete for high quality workers. For less affluent/city areas that may not have the high residential property tax revenue, this is taken care of because skyscrapers and commercial real estate are taxed at the same rate (which is why TX oil towns have great school districts…an Odessa oil tank is taxed just like a Highland Park mansion).
So PHISD can pay staff competitively at their discretion. They can also pass municipal bonds for capital projects that reflect their community’s values. They want an 8,000 seat stadium, new fine arts building, turf installation on practice fields, baseball and softball fields (happens more than you think in TX), put it to a vote and get the community to agree to it. The smaller scale of the district allows you to get things done that are important to that community, not be held back by the differing interests across the county as it is in FL.
The smaller school districts make districts compete and race to the top, instead of what we do in FL which is to do legislative gymnastics to get by paying teachers/fund schools minimally because there is no incentive to with no competition for personnel and families. Districts complete for families to live in their district just like they compete for teachers and staff.
In your example where Palm Harbor has support but others do not, the TX model would make it so that that area is not bound by the other areas. It really is a great setup by can’t happen in FL due to state law mandating each county be its own school district.
in the large metro counties, with 20 plus schools, no chance it could happen. but im pretty sure there are counties that have less than 10 schools and it could happen. no clue what it would take to take a small county with 5 schools and pull off an ISD model and give teachers an extra 10k to work there and pay coaches like kings. Im sure some of those small county like that the football could not be nearly as good(or already be good, idk) or the actual resources to pull off such a feat would be nearly impossible at the specific county school district level.
it would only take a few of the countys to do it and get a major pull from a larger county of teachers to get others on board.
I will say, and I think im talking right, but doesnt many of the panhandle schools pay their teachers and coaches quite a bit more? some of the head football coaches I thought were paid as administrators?
that would be a step in the right direction at each school, or just pay the Head Football coach as an 11/12 month employee. 99% of them work year round anyways, IDK what any of them make per month but if it was 5k a month or 6k a month, wouldnt that be what the coaches want anyways?
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oil money, bond money, independent school districts, very high property taxes, middle school football(pop warner is before 6th grade football in most parts), all coaches are in the school district, UIL(the governing body of both athletics and academics) does not allow for off campus coaches, unless you are retired by the state of texas education.
the indy school districts all pay the same state level teacher pay. its their bonus/supplement that their school boards can approve. so the 100k FB coach that doesnt teach, hes probably making 35k in a school board supplment.
oil money is there, but in the forms of a bond. high property taxes, independent school dist personnnel ask the county to raise the property taxes for their zone, it goes to vote every year and it gets passed. things like road construction, proper drainage in local areas, sidewalks, snow plows, are very scarce/poorly maintained. but most of those school dist have a huge stadium with turf!
Football is the life of the communitiy, all over the state. 6 man, 8 man, 11 man. an entire community shuts down and goes to the home game. have seen some real interesting things go on during the times ive been out in west texas. mojo football, just like the movie, is 100% real. coaches getting fired for losing in the state title game.
be careful what you wish for, however. you get local school board involved in paying coaches more money, dont you dare go 6-4 and not make playoffs. why did we pay you an extra 20k? not to lose to that bad school.
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On 12/15/2024 at 6:25 PM, Ray Icaza said:
Have faith, these FHSAA folks aren't blind and hopefully will do the right thing.
Now that _hit is funny....
They are totally blind and ignorant.
We go from a system that if you were somewhat good at math and could see schedules you could figure out if you were going to make the playoffs
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metro suburban and it wasnt bad, look at the finals scores. already stated here.
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hiding the facts that teams got in that shouldnt have, and teams didnt get in that should have.
and move finals to the southern part of the state. seriously, drive from penscola to miami.
that will never get right, from the awesome venue in daytona with no parking and 1 lane road to this.
finals should be in raymond james/the new usf stadium, back to citrus bowl or the scocer field, ucf stadium, somehwere in central fla that can house 10k fans, easily accessable and parking isnt a problem.
blind is an understatement.
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seems pretty cut and dry after reading the article....i cant for the life of me see what the hold up would be.
mnw, send fhsaa the timestamp records of when said student enrolled. and he is on the playoff roster.
if its what it states,
they forfiet all the games and are eliminated.
why wait 3 weeks,
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18 hours ago, Jullian said:
I’ve joked thruout the season that all laws & rules apply to the entire state, not us from South Florida. I said that because us down in So Flo KNOW rules are stretched & broken. When the FHSAA took 2 games away from Western & 1 from Norland because of Rules Violations, shots were fired. When they took the entire season away from Central because of the use of an ineligible player for the entire season, a LOUD & clear statement was made by the FHSAA down here in So Flo.
Cheating & breaking rules aren’t going to be tolerated. The OUTCRY from the team’s & neighborhoods SHOULD, but WON’T BE, we broke the rules & their are consequences. Being ethical & upright will be buried with typical & all too familiar shouts of injustice etc….It’s a SHAME we just can’t do the right thing & run our football programs according to the by laws & rules…..
sad part is, has anyone in south florida EVER ran it according to the bylaws and rules!
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On 11/12/2024 at 11:31 AM, Dr. D said:
I am the last person to support the FHSAA Rankings, but some factual context is needed:
Astronaut was 6-4 and Villages 5-4. Villages had a higher SOS. Astronaut had one of the weaker schedules in 2A. Astronaut won head-to-head by 1 point.
Mitchell was 10-0 and Wiregrass 9-1. Wiregrass had a higher SOS. In fact, Mitchell only played 2 teams above .500. Mitchell won head-to-head by 17 points.
I have yet to find a case where a team had a better record and stronger SOS had a ranking lower than a team with a worse record and weaker SOS. (Although there are 460 teams in the FHSAA rankings, so I may have missed one.)
Obviously the FHSAA Rankings put a value on both a team's record and its SOS. (How much? will never know). A cynic would say, win more games and/or schedule fewer cupcakes.
If head-to-head is the most important criteria, I have long supported going to large districts with round-robin, head-to-head competition deciding district champs and runners-up. Otherwise, we will continue to be at the mercy of a computer closet in California.
check out south sumter, gainesville east side, dunellon.
3a-5 district.
sumter beat east side 21-7 on last thursday,
all 3 finish 2-1.
sumter technically was 2nd as it lost to dunellon, east side is 3rd. dunellon is 1st.
max preps has sumter at 9 and east side at 11 in 3a.
fhsaa doesnt see it that way and east side, likely to their 7-3 record vs 4-6 sumter(with a higher strength of schedule), east side is in, south sumter is out, dunellon is in too.
so 3 or 4 of these very similar situations in the brackets,
all at different classes.
its clearly a computer glitch....
fhsaa got some splanin to do to some schools....
1 time is an oversight, a mistake, 2 times, defintely should look into it, 3 times and i bet some beach front property I own there are more, is a problem.
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58 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
According to the explanation that was given to Astronaut the game between Mitchell and Wiregrass Ranch is what bumped Villages over them. The week prior to them playing Astronaut was ranked above them. The week they played the rankings weren't released so no one knew the standings and therefore everyone including the Villages thought that game was win and you're in situation
astronaut got an explaination? from who!? surely the fhsaa did not give them the time of day,
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oldage kicked in, the one that was truly mindblowing.
10-0 mitchell, beat 8-2 wiregrass ranch for district title.
mitchell is the 4 seed, wiregrass ranch is the 3 seed.
you cannot tell me that an actual human being looked at that and decided that 8-2 and a loss to another team in the bracket, is better than 10-0....
fhsaa messed up and its just hurting kids and coaches....
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8 minutes ago, Perspective said:
Other than the teams that got hit with forfeit sanctions, were there any teams that finished outside the playoff group looking in that deserved to make the playoffs over the 8 seed?
I think I mentioned this above, or on another strand,
astronaut is one, they beat villages charter thursday night for distrcit runner up spot. better record, strength of schedule higher, had a higher ranking on the previous max preps and then the new rankings, they are lower? which makes no sense to anyone.
saint cloud was another one I saw on twitter that was the exact same thing, like to the letter.
i think pace was another one,
im sure if there was some digging done, you would find alot of these same things.
its clearly a computer flaw in the rankings, villages jumped 2 spots above astronaut and pushe them out. same with saint cloud.
look on the astronaut twitter page, more details there, lol.
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On 11/10/2024 at 12:02 PM, Ray Icaza said:
You are preaching to the choir my friend. I just gave you a strong example with our team 2 years ago supporting the fact the rankings are flawed. But just to enlighten you, the theory is stating that "CHEATING" is involved. That my friend is not FACT as these examples you spent time listing only show flaws and do not prove the other. Just this past week we beat St. Pete Lakewood, a team headed to the playoffs and dropped in the rankings so I understand the frustration.
I seem to think that 2 yrs ago in the metro and suburban system, the rankings and such were much more transparent. they told you about-if you lose to a higher ranked team you got this many points, if you win vs lower ranked team you got this many points. and then sos, wins, opponents opponents win loss, all were .something a factor.
this system now, tells anyone and nobody, zero. just because max preps, fhsaa say so, thats why.
another flawed system the money hungry clowns put in place....
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22 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Which happened two years ago when we were seeded below Vero (which was wrong) and had to travel there only to give them a thumping in their house before traveling to Lakeland the following week. That turned out to be a much more competitive game than the final vs Venice ....... guess that was also anticlimactic. Point being, we weren't happy with the ranking system and though I say in jest they don't like blue and gold, I really don't believe they sit in a smoke-filled room figuring out how to "CHEAT" teams like ours. I could be wrong, but now that it has happened to STA seems a clear indication it can happen to anyone. No cheating involved, just simple incompetency. And yes, lack of transparency leads to conspiracy theories but theories are not FACTS!! That is a fact.
ok, so call them conspiracy facts, teams mentioned above, mitchell has head to head win over wiregrass and is 10-0, but is seeded lower.
did you see the astronaut debacle? they beat villages charter on thursday in a district game, to have a better record than them in the district, along with better strength of schdule, ranking, etc.
fast forward 24 hrs and they magically have a worse ranking and villages charter at 0-2 in district play is the 7 seed and astro is totally out.....
I also saw the team down the road from you, saint cloud is in a similar situation with tohopekliga. head to head win, better sos, etc. but is out.
thats not theory,
those are facts.
and the fhsaa dumb dumbs wont answer any questions as it makes them look bad. some computer ranking told a false story for these 3 teams mentioned(I promise there are more than just 3) .
unfortunate for kids and coaches who deserve the chance to be there.
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1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:
Looks like the FHSAA already messed up on one of the brackets. Apparently The Villages made it in over Astronaut after losing to Astronaut in their last district game and Astronaut being ahead of them heading into that game as well
several of those out there,
better district record and higher strength of schedule matters very little from what it appears
looks like a rush job by the clowns to get this done fast, nobody checked their work, said F it, its good. were a week behind on playoff dollars. LFG....
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
And FHSAA does have some "COJONES"!
im sure there is ALOT of others out there that get turned down or turned away, but 30 kids transfer in, over say 1 or 2. and reading that they had 3 kids that played spring ball that were not enrolled. thats a no no,
no different than a kid enrolled at school down the road coming and watching practices before enrolling, definetly a violation, kids on sideline at spring games and not enrolled is a violation also. small potatoes vs 30 transfers and the laundry list of things the coaches turned a blind eye on.
good for fhsaa, now get the rest of the liars and cheats
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2 hours ago, DILLARDBOYZ954 said:
That’s what I wanna know cuz the last playoff projection I seen was week 8 after that they just stopped posting
did you see fhsa is doing a bracket reveal tomorrow, 6pm on youtube
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where is this segment prediction, inquiring minds want to know
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appeals committee upheld the findings, TFA is offically out, a 2nd appeal is forthcoming
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new jersey would have a say so in how far above Pennslyvania is, new jersey has been the long standing powerhouse in wrestling states for many many years, penn and ohio are a close 2nd, california is always up there with some studs too....Cael being at penn state has put the country on notice, no doubt. Id take Jersey over the rest of the country year in year out.