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how do they release the saturday final rankings? is it a tv show or is it just 10am and here they are,
some states make it a huge deal and teams have watch parties and make it a big deal to see if they got in.
probably not here tho
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53 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Your view explains why they are extremely good on offense but not quite the same on the defensive side. I am a huge fan of "School Choice" when it comes to academics but not athletics; appears the powers at be not on the same wave length.
who is exactly policing academics over athletics though, is the question that NOBODY will answer. School officials arent self reporting, school districts are turning a blind eye too. so without the "smoking gun" (which some school officals have but are afraid to turn others in because of the repurcussions to the school districts) nobody gonna do a thing. fhsaa aint policing it,
kids transferring via "choice" but then going to the college credit route to seminole state or daytona state or valencia and never stepping on said school campus, so "academic" is just how they get around the "choice" wording.
good ole boy network prevails again
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fhsaa could care less about recruiting,
just read some of the comments on this very message board from posters....
"why would anyone say that my kid cant go to school A"
so in this case, the guy that was at the other school and turned them into a powerhouse thats coaching there, the dude with all the money for private 7 on 7s, etc, he aint dumb, he sent those messages that fade away after you see them, snapface or chatbook messenger or something like that.
no smoking gun if you cant prove it,
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those 30, they aint turning themselves in! they living the big timer life at mighty TFA.
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how about this one I heard from a few weeks ago,
3 kids transfer to a rival, using the open enrollment criteria(each county has their own rules Im assuming), but do not go to school at that school, both are seniors and are doing online school or college classes or something to that effect. yet, nothing is done to them or the school by officals in the area.....
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whats the dang problem?
5 classes mean only 5 state champs....
so that means less $$ for the FHSAA.
majority of things they do doesnt make sense except for make money.
allow illegal transfers and open enrollment, because they dont want to deal with it as it costs money to police it
increase some sports to 8 or 9 classes, so more state champs and more tournament games and more money as they keep all or most of it
fhsaa doesnt care about what makes sense only what makes cents (and dollars.)
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3 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Two complete weeks in the book and today's workout showed great consistency in the effort and participation level both by the players as well as the coaching staff. Going to be a fun bunch to follow in the fall given the work they are putting in and the middle of August is right around the corner. Many are also attending camps and have been top performers. Expectations are high as always.
did yall not start at the beginning of june? many of the locals here started on 6-3, and are on week 4 of summer, to each there own, but there are only so many days in the summer for workouts.
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21 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
We usually don't get a lot out of St. Cloud or Harmony who usually have well run/good programs with the primary factor of stability with their coaches. More so out of Poinciana, Liberty and Gateway. Most kids are deciding to move if they think it will benefit them but regardless it is always a crapshoot. Last year one of our top basketball duos (cousins) transferred to St. Cloud after playing at OHS their freshmen and sophomore years. One of them, Alex Springs who is one of the most explosive athletes in our area who also plays football as a WR led them in catches, yardage and had almost twice the number of TD's as any other member of that squad so they got great benefit in getting him. Apparently, there was friction between the HC on the basketball team and the father/uncle of these players thus he transferred them. Those two players led St. Cloud to the best basketball record they have had in decades as well. From what I read Alex had a terrific 7x7 at the UCF camp which surprised alot of people as he was a bit of an unknown at receiver. He did perform well for us as a sophomore in the spring game against Edgewater May of '23 prior to the transfer, so he could have definitely helped us last year. The Jenkins kid moving to Jones as a WR looks like he has alot to think about not only competing against Vernell "Trey" Brown and others, but now the top WR from West Orange Larry Miles has just transferred to Jones thus I see all this as a crapshoot for many players. Another player we just lost is Isaiah Brutus who we got from Dr. Phillips a couple of years ago as a WR. He is a very good athlete, so we felt he could get on the field more as a DB which benefitted him tons as that produced multiple offers from even D1 schools for him. However, Toho throws the ball much more and he went there to be a 2 way player as it seems to an outsider he prefers offense. Shall be an interesting summer.
wonderful info on the other, lesser known schools and their players.
saying toho throws the ball much more is pretty funny, that guy throws it every play, speed sweep is a pass, lol, the 10td guy vs celebration years and years ago,
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21 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Two upcoming Juniors to TFA (likely starters) were Blaze Jones 6'2" 225(DE/OLB) and Gerard Gearity 6'5" 280 (OL). Neither makes any sense to me, but I think Blaze wanted more opportunities at LB where we are pretty stacked and it appears they are providing that. Another upcoming Junior starter, Alijah "Flash" Jenkins 5'8" 160 slot receiver and kick returner to Jones where they have a top rated QB hence maybe more receiving opportunities although competing for that spot vs Vernell "Trey" Brown III; quite a task so wonder how that shakes out over the summer. Another upcoming Junior Zion Matthews 5'11" 190 (RB) to Dr. Phillips where he does have a good shot at starting, whereas it was impossible with Taevion on our roster. Tre Warren 5'10" 170 (DB), another upcoming Junior went back to Pahokee where he most certainly will start and that wasn't as guaranteed on our roster; his Dad is a faculty member at OHS so he returned to live with his Mom. Javonte Simpson Lee, another Junior 6'5" 190 (WR) to Poinciana who we spent a ton of time working with last year to hopefully get some production out of this year. Again, we are a run first team so likely thought he may play a bigger role there. I probably have missed another couple players but as you can see several left for other high profile programs in the area.
The players we have gotten that will have an impact are obviously Connor Howes 6'6" 280 senior (OL) out of St. Cloud. He will bookend with our other offensive tackle Marcus Ferrer 6'6" 300 (Jr.) who both have multiple D1 offers. Connor's Dad has been talking about transferring him to OHS for the past couple of years and finally pulled the trigger. Senior QB Izaiah Prime out of Oak Ridge will compete for the starting job with Cam West (another Junior) who started most of last year. Junior LB Louis Figueroa 5'11" 190 out of Toho HS will challenge another couple of Juniors that have been with our program for that 3rd starting job. Lastly, Adrian Gonzalez a kicker out of St. Cloud HS. Rumor mill always has other prospects that talk, but as they say talk is cheap. As you can see we are talking about a handful that go either way in our program (TFA has gotten about 20 from surrounding schools and word is they aren't done, simply took their foot off the gas during the FHSAA investigation until summer arrived). They as well as others have made advances to our 2 stud senior LB's and please don't ask me for proof as the Dad's word are good enough for me.
not 1 bit of any of that makes much sense to me. but im an old head, play where you live. from the sounds of kids going out and coming in, they all have colleges looking at them, why jeopordize that.
chance to start, maybe I get that, coming from a losing program, makes sense you want to win, a kicker? lol.
st cloud is a rival, took their best kids? I dont follow them to know, why would a kid leave osceola to poinciana? lol, thats silly to me.
tfa stuff is pretty deep from what I read about, major benefactor gave them 6 million dollars for athletics(football) and some intersting things going on with "school" for those kids. fhsaa wont do anything about it, im sure.
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On 6/12/2024 at 12:06 PM, Ray Icaza said:
I know the focus on building a top tier team seems to rely heavily on the transfer/recruiting piece during the spring and summer. However, the work effort put in during the 2 summer months before fall are a very important component for success in the upcoming season. It will be here before you know it and the participation level, especially by your seniors, leaders, star players, etc... are key in setting the right example. At Osceola, our voluntary summer workouts began yesterday so I made it a point to check them out today and as usual the team is out in force which I think contributes to our success rather than depending on mass (a dozen or more) transfers to bolster the program. Again, we probably have as many good players transfer out as opposed to transferring in but based on what we do have we should be a playoff team once again; this was evident in our Spring Jamboree last month. Hard work along with a great attitude is a winning formula and we certainly have a history of that. GO KOWBOYS!!
be curious to know who left the ktown boys and why would they leave? saw big ol from down the road from you guys transfered in, curious as to why he would leave after his stock has risen this spring. who left, who came in?
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17 hours ago, MC Rockets said:
The fact that a team with no losses can be eliminated by a team with one loss and no chance to get their payback....IS JUST STUPID!!!
isnt, doesnt, that happen all the time in the playoffs? 1 loss team vs no loss team, 1 loss team wins in a dramatic comeback win with 7 seconds left and there isnt any chance at payback.....
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1 Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood)
8 Buchholz (Gainesville)
4 Norland (Miami)
5 Mainland (Daytona Beach)
3 Cocoa6 Lakeland
2 St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
7 Columbus (Miami)
last years final top 8.
likely to be an awesome tournament
cant say I dislike it
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On 5/26/2024 at 12:25 AM, Beek said:
My new team, South Lake H. C. Brad Lord took a very heavy underclassmen squad into Foundation Academy, which personally as a H.C, im 0-2, beat them convincingly 49-14. We only had 36 offensive plays. Q. B. Trey Kelly Rising Sophomore went 7-9, 1 dropped and 1 blocked, 212 yds and 2 Td's, The running backs rushed for 202yds 3 TD's in only 27 carries.
Where my old school Poinciana lost to Horizon 20-30. Poinciana only had 33 players on the official roster ( all time low, I had over 60). Cameron Brown Had a great game throwing for 2 TD's and ! rushing TD, (great effort) IMHO Horizon , while being a great program, was down from last year, Also include that 32 didnt play in the first half. (he drove the ball right down the field in his first possession in the 3rd 1/4 and they scored ( not to take away from the efforts of their other running backs, they will be a force to be reckoned with. Horizon is not as good as they were last year (up front only). I am sure the coaches will make corrections and become way better in the fall. At the end of the day, PHS, still needs discipline on defense (too many stupid penalties) and a direction to work for. Yes, I am being super critical, after spending 10 years trying to fix that program, what they (administration) did hurts. Not the new HC. fault, In fact I try to help him any way I can. PHS looks like a team led by a first year head coach who hasnt found his way yet. I truly hope they do. the HC is a great guy, just young and needs a lot of help understanding the ins and outs of HS football.
Im not hating, (for the PHS head coach). I just want to see this different direction we are looking for!
get over it and yourself. only making you sound miserable. talk about the good things your new squad is doing, not a full paragraph as a watcher. Id assume your new HC would be pretty upset since you talked very little about what your great new team did and their win and bash the old team for their ineptitude(it is poinciana, so whats the real expectation here).
and by saying not hating, means your hating. move on, they have!
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very very limited information regarding scores/coverages of games,
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17 hours ago, Hwy17 said:
I don't believe it is illegal as long as any bonus, supplement, perk, ect is coming from a booster club and not taxpayer money as part of the teacher salary or supplement.
absolutely.
there isnt anything illegal about that.
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3 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Florida is still a "Right to Work" state. You can be fired for any reason or even no reason and you can choose to end employment by those same rules.
correct,
im still searching for the illegal part of the multimillionare that jumps into the bad school down the road, as their financial consultant and wants to give bill johnson the head coach at the good school over there, 50k to coach at his school.
what part of that is illegal?
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1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
All of what you mentioned above is illegal. But yet all of what you mentioned are that tactics that’s used to “change those fortunes” lol smh.
it’s just are you slick enough to not get caught or are you to cautious to NOT take the risk & trust the process of doing everything by the book.
what part of this is illegal?
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On 3/14/2024 at 11:03 AM, Floridaatlantic1 said:
Florida teacher shortage is worse than other states due to low pay and super high rent and housing. The state government BS on education videos and content does not help but first two are main reasons coaches leave to go to Georgia and other states.
low pay and high expense on housing, while are in the talks, coaches are leaving becuase of resources. Mike Coe of coffee who was at union county and was a state championship contender year in and out, leaves to go to ga, in 3 seasons they went 15-0 this past yr, have an indoor field being built, makes a ton of money, all his 20 coaches do as well. resources, the ability to say if we want something, we dont have to sell discount cards and do car washes to buy 10 helmets, we go to people with power/money/boosters/etc and say we need 10 helmets. look up his twitter, thats where this all came from.
camden county and travis roland, same deal. win a title at mainland and goes fundraising the next week. or go to camden, takes his staff, make more money, have incredible resources to facilitate what a state championship program should look like, same-read his twitter.
id say majority of coaches would work in FL for what coaches rate is, if there were resources available that if you ask for it, its done. not having to spend the summer selling cards or raffle tickets or whatever they do....
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14 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Too bad we can't find a way to install a merit based system into these type of municipal/state employees pay plan as some teachers should be making six figures while sadly others are overpaid; same disparity is evident in firefighters, law enforcement, etc... regarding job performance. The private sector as a general rule is merit based and while I believed the same could be done at school, most administrators had the same lame excuse. It was too subjective to determine good teachers from bad, yet the students can tell you but the administrator can not? ..... PITIFULL!! Earlier comments about starting teachers pay in FL getting a bump is correct as they earn more than those in adjoining states, but the pay is pretty much the same at 15 and 30 years for FL, GA, AL, SC, etc... Coaching stipends is a whole nother issue when compared with other states. This pretty much sums up why I left the teaching/coaching profession after 7 years and joined the private sector. Merit (job performance) should mean something.
impossible to merit system teachers. whos going to justify why the young english ( 4 yrs of that required to graduate) deserves higher pay than the old grumpy elective teacher, say PE(only need 1 year) who is set in their ways becuase thats how they do it.
each of those teachers have their place, the young teacher who is hip and funny and teachers modern and the old grizzled vet who keeps the kids in check and teaches like its 1988 still.
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28 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
This bill has zero chance of passing. No way Florida will ever pay teachers and coaches well. State does not give a crap about education so good teachers and coaches leave the state in droves. Dont get me started on the crazy laws about movies, books and what is taught in schools. The last big raise was all for new teachers and gave the veteran teachers squat.
im with you on this. i dont think all the school districts are paying the minimum either. school district gets this huge sum of money from state/govt, etc and sit on it to not pay teachers. orange county holds off on their contracts til the end of year and pays all this back pay to everyone so it can get a years worth of interest on millions of dollars. (sister teacher there)
they have the money to pay everyone, BS they dont.....
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underpaid teachers, underpaid coaches, why in the world would this pass?
anyone want to make some extra money, start a high school coaches moving company. get a couple uhual trucks and make a ton of money driving to georgia weekly.
will be interesting to see if this thing were to pass,
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On 2/4/2024 at 1:35 PM, Longtime Observer said:
Surely you recognize how this could lead to some terrible classifications. After all, you are the outspoken critic of teams running up great records against lesser competition...
terrible, yes,
but if the bad teams are playing the bad teams, and the good teams are playing the good teams and the great teams are playing the great teams,
didnt everyone get what they wanted? dont allow teams to play out of class either, that would eliminate class 5 playing class 1 to pad their record to stay up.
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20 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
For all the crybabies posting on here. Explain why so much hate. Maybe you loved being able to thrown the best teams out of your division and let the metro teams beat the crap out of each other in that horrible system where the metro counties did not even go by population but some bs density rule. Its basically the same system we had for decades. Enrollment based classification. hello. Go to promotion and demotion and hardly anybody would drop out. Let the cream of the crop ruse to top 3 divisions and rest fight it out for regional non-state titles below. The reason teams are dropping like flies is that they cant compete with the transfer recruiting cheating teams. Why would bad Orlando 7A teams want to compete with an all star team Edgewater? You will never get real change going by population alone and we all know it. So crybabies. What system do you want h8r?
system,
i didnt think the metro suburban deal was that awful, who was in those seperated classes, thats a different story. if they would have truly used county population, maybe it would have worked better. I dont think coaches minded it to be honest. what if they would have used school district size instead of county population? how would that have changed things?
I do think the move up move down every cycle would be something intriguing for sure, be pretty awesome to see some teams that pad the record with "bum wins" get moved up to a tougher division and those who dont belong, get moved down. cut back to like 4 classes with 1 or 2 open division classes-
the district sceneiro of no scheduled games really made some sense, the district title championship weeks was pretty interesting and could have been something they could market for sure, however, teams all having a bye week 9 and then trying to find games weeks 10 and 11 would have been impossible for most. keeping the kids locked in for those 2 weeks would also have been impossible.
how would the rivalry weeks go? most teams play that week 11, what happens if team A is in dist title game, etc. so i can see why they squashed it.
something has to be done, nobody will agree with anyones plans, im not smart enough to come up with the actual plan and dont have nearly the time to make it work correctly.
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what a friggin joke this turned out to be.
I would say fhsaa is scrambling to fix it sooner than later, but I seriously doubt it a great deal. complete S-Show.
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anyone know when thats happening?
Fhsaa dropped the hammer on TFA
in The Huddle
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appeals committee upheld the findings, TFA is offically out, a 2nd appeal is forthcoming