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poinciana doesnt have enough wins for a bowl game....even though someone said they had the best dbs in the county and the 2nd best qb and 2nd best rbs, 2nd best, 3rd best, 2nd best, best, in everything esle. and said they would go 9 or 10 wins.....good for him his twitter was deleted.....
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12 minutes ago, PinellasFB said:
Bruh getting close to crossing the political line. Please keep your personal politics on the sideline. Obviously he doesn't like unlimited transfers because it becomes a free-for-all where students are no longer students but rent-a-players where funny business runs unabated. It's now not uncommon where a kid transfers in the fall semester for football and then transfers elsewhere in the spring for a different sport. School choice has always been about academics, not athletics. These "school choices" are clearly for athletics, not academics.
I personally also don't like unlimited transfers but maybe a compromise is unlimited transfers to an equal or higher rated school so that it is still about academics? Poorly rated schools who want transfers will then have to put all of their money into improving the academics of their school.
choice is for academic reasons and not for athletics, but its never for academic reasons and always for athletics, 100% spot on. even fhsaa bylaws say that its not allowed or something similar
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28 minutes ago, Jambun82 said:
Who are you to tell a high school player what school he/she has to attend?
not anyone in particular, but that it is in every normal state. someone let the flood gates open with "choice" program. dumbest idea since letting maxpreps figure out who is in the playoffs and as dumb as suburban and metro....
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On 10/19/2023 at 9:57 AM, Jambun82 said:
Who are you to tell a high school player what school he/she has to attend?
wow, really? you live by school A but travel past 4 schools to get to where you want to go.
you can want in 1 hand and take a dump in the other, which one fills up quicker?
you are part of the problem,
go where your zoned. period.
wanna go past those 4 schools, move.
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On 10/12/2023 at 1:10 PM, CocoaFranco said:
sit out a year for transferring? that's insane... you cannot penalize a student because he's transferring to another program. maybe the school he is zoned for is on their 4th head coach in 5 years and runs the wing T and hes a pocket QB.... just weight transfers as 1.5 students
whats insane about it? it could help stop the portal from ever opening. the transfer portal in college football has trickled down to HS and kids do this because its allowed.
either were part of the problem or were part of the solution.
stating 4th head coach in 5 years, blah blah, how about go be apart of bringing that school to prominence instead of going to be the 3rd wr in a load spread shotgun team.....
and dont gimmie the "best interets of the kid" crap, college coach sees a kid that stays at a wing t(more of them in america than anything else) offense being a blocking stud at wr and catching several Tds because he is a dude, than changinging schools 3 times in 4 years to "find the right fit" .
how about play at the school where you live and be done. wanna go to xyz school, move.
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What happend to 10-0?
And the best/#2 dbs in the county?
Think maybe you over estimated your team...
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On 8/31/2023 at 2:10 PM, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
so elijah melendez, cedrick duval, robert lee, brandon rosa, anthony powers, elijah hickson. do these guys discount osceola because theyre not osceola kids theyre all move in and transfers,so go ahead discount them while you at it or is it just a poinciana hate kinda thing is that what you saying my guy.
so 2 of those kids are transfers this year according to Ray
from what I know of osceola(not much)
their homegrown talent is much greater than any move ins or transfers....and for that h8, a move in is a transfer. because thats the right way to do it, not live in 3 counties away and drive over to the school you want to go too. at the least you moved into the school zone to go play.
besides that, you seem very 1 sided in this conversation but you are "mr all osceola county fb". what about the other schools? wasnt there a mass exodus from celebration after the lake gibson guy left? where did they all go? poinciana? what about toho, dont they have alot of transfers from other places too?
should for sure change your name to "poinciana biggest fan" for sure not a representative of the entire county.....
my guy
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50 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
Poinciana's starting dbs are
Ernest Nunn Poinciana kid
Elijah bowser went to Osceola freshman sophomore year played stellar for Poinciana last year
Jaylin Davis Move in from satellite high school
Nathaniel Jeanniton older brother played for Poinciana and a transfer from gateway
overall 3/4 starting DBs at Poinciana would start at every high school in the county
thanks for that info,
literally you stated exatcly what I said,
3 of the 4 kids that are dbs are NOT POINCIANA kids.
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3 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
With regards to depth, player rotation, etc.. questioned by Nolebull, regardless of who OHS plays they rotate a lot of players for continuity reasons from year to year as well as insurance vs the injury bug . They did this last week vs TC whether RB, DL, LB and DB plus they rotated both QB's equally. So a fan like myself who has sat in those stands for over 50 years has seen that firsthand. John Walker first landed under my radar as an incomng freshmen rotating at DT for a senior as an example and we knew then he would be a stud as is the case with other underclassmen I have mentioned filling roles as sophomores on this years team. So Nolebull's assessment may be true for other teams in this regard, but not the case with the Kowboys. Regarding transfers as stated by Coach Beek everyone gets them and most of the one's we initially were getting tended to be "Legacy" players who's dad, mom, uncle, etc.. went to OHS and played for them. They would come in as freshmen and grow with our program as opposed to stealing/recruiting someone else's top player and getting. them as an incoming senior. Secondly, our youth league for decades had 2 teams in Kissimmee both mostly run/coached by former alums who put in the effort to have solid feeder programs. One team generally had players go to OHS while the other fed Gateway HS, at one time the only two public HS. Due to who was doing the heavy lifting in these youth leagues a couple of years back those two teams migrated into one excellent team known as the Osceola Kowboys (8u, 10u, 12u and 14u). Any kid from the area was welcome and hence we would get incoming freshmen zoned for possibly Gateway, Poinciana, Liberty, etc... Hardly any from the St. Cloud area as they have their own youth league programs which tend to feed St. Cloud HS and Harmony HS. Lastly, the kids that went to Poinciana last season as well as this season were "ALL" backups on our squad but excellent players nonetheless as yes they had seen plenty of action at the varsity level for us. Akeem Knox for example would probably start as a RB for 80%+ teams throughout our state and I suppose you can ask Coach Beek his opinion on this assessment. He unfortunately was competing with another RB that is ranked in the top 10 in the entire state, thus his role. To close, my observation is you have lots of folks that know alot about teams around the state but when speaking specifically about my Kowboys not so much. My take.
so yall dont get recurits in like previously stated?
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3 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
How would you know they are studs if they are 2nd and 3rd stringers on Osceola and never play? Osceola always has a tough schedule. So I highly doubt they are putting the backups in at halftime in most games. How much playing time did the backups and 3rd stringers get against Treasure Coast?
Do you think Osceola has only played with zoned neighborhood kids the last 25 years? All the players went to middle school in the Osceola High boundary and all come up to high school together? You don’t think Osceola has kids from other areas of the county as well as Polk and Orange? Come on man!!!care to elaborate on this, since I dont know any of the players in osceola county by name or where they went
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10 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Seems like more than a few kids left Osceola and went to Poinciana. Including a few DB's that AllOsceolaCountyFB is claiming to be the best in the county. Looks like to me Osceola Trains them and Poinciana plays'em.
thats hilairous! how many kids have left osceola and gone to poinciana? and why? reading above, its for playing time? so osceola back ups, 3rd teamers, go over to poinciana and help them win the most games in school history and it goes out that scheme and culture is changing, lol,
no you have studs come in and and know how to play and playing vs someone alot less talented on the other sideline so things are a bit simplier.
wow...
how many true poinciana kids are starters on the all 22? kids that were 9th, 10th,11th, 12th graders thru the system and not transfers from somewhere else?
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21 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
So what’s your expert opinion?
hmmmm, your pretty smart fella, you read what I wrote,
pretty obvious right.....
been in the center part of this state for 20plus years and seen how dominant some of the squads are, til they face jacksonville or miami teams, sprinkled in with tampa squads.
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14 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
And i call it like i see it. tell me whos better than them currently in county besides Osceola and who has the better dB's
if you prove it to me i have no problem being proved wrong, but you gotta prove it
on what basis do you have to state any 1 team is better than the other?
thats called opnion.
osceola is the class of the county and have been and will continue to be, until someone dethrones them.
toho is on the up and up with an explosive offense and a coach who knows how to score points.
harmony always has a rough and rugged team, but look like they are on a downturn
st cloud is up and down every 2 or 3 seasons, doesnt help that the district lines seem to change yearly for them and gateway
gateway, celebration, liberty all yearly the bottom of the county, taking turns with poinciana.
who has had 1 good year(with a 900+ ranking in SOS) in 20+ years and they are instantly #2 in the county,
becaus you say so?
what merit do you have to say that? you watched a 7 on 7? so they have the best dbs based of 7 on 7.
right.......I remember a post on twitter saying they got blown out a couple times at one of the 7 on 7s....
so......
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31 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
And yes I coached at Poinciana back in the early 2000s so it does have a soft spot in my heart, so you're kind of right
true homer then,
no wonder all those twitter posts calling poinciana best dbs, best this best that, #2 team in county, no wonder your account got suspended....
call it llike i see it
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On 8/28/2023 at 8:36 AM, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
I made the trek out to nature coast to watch Poinciana play they looked physical fast but overall undersized their offense seemed overwhelmed with the size of nature coast, their offense sputtered but their defense kept them in the game after a blown coverage and a bad punt snap led to nature coats two first half scores, Akeem Knox is the real deal he is a FBS/FCS Caliber player, does not look like the same kid from last year at Osceola. Poinciana's offense lacked overall success when they tried to go vertical with the ball in pass game they were successful early in quick game should have stuck to it, but when the wheels fall off they fell off hard, coaches arguing with coaches , players arguing with players it turned ugly in the 4th quarter for the eagles, hopefully they can turn it around for Hardee in two weeks
literally a poinciana coach, no chance someone just goes to nature coast to watch a game unless its a parent or a coach. fans of the the game would have went anywhere else. literally....
nice try on the fake name.....
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20 hours ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
So, you know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a few other guys, that thinks that Kissimmee Osceola's coaching staff is falling apart, Coach Pinellas is just going to up and leave the program for no reason, and that he likes track more than football?! No holes in that story whatsoever.
alright, guess this is all untrue too. im sure ray will chime in.......
about a month ago the OC was fired/quit for a disagreement between him and EP, stating that EP was playing the wrong qb.....then at the recent 7v7 when osceola was beat a few times and handly by some local squads they trounce in regular season(yes its just 7 v7), ol coach trying to call plays and it was abysmal to say the least add that only 3 or 4 coaches were even in attendance....ep basically called chad and asked him to come back, he needed him.....
lots of holes in that one......
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5 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
The other component that should be of emphasis is stability in the coaching staff. Too many teams rely heavily on trying to find the "Hot Coach" rather than one that will invest in the program, build his staff and stay loyal to the program. We have also been blessed that way after figuring it out a couple of decades ago. Our current HC was an excellent RB for our school, got a college scholarship and returned home to help young men in our community with discipline, dedication, hard work and love. A long-time assistant before taking over the head job a few years ago and he oozes Blue & Gold.. If coaches jump at the first opportunity that appears better on the surface, why shouldn't his kids.
i know a guy whos best friends cousin is friends with a guy whos related to the nephew of one of the guys that knows some of the people who go to ktown games and he said that the staff is divided, hasnt been togheter 1 time all summer, that the OC was fired or quit and that the hc was ready to hang em up becuase he loves track more than football.
but,
thats just what he heard so its likely untrue. but thats who also said swint was out 4 weeks at minimum and maybe more.....
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On 7/23/2023 at 12:18 AM, Ray Icaza said:
To me it isn't that I lack faith, just know we have unknowns on the defensive side which doesn't mean deficiencies. Last year that defense at every level I knew based on the previous years could go toe to toe with anyone. Several people on this forum stated Lakeland would blow all opponents away and I assured them that wouldn't include us and was laughed at. We lost the first game 25-22 and they did seem like the better team. We also lost the semi 14-7, but I thought we appeared to be the better team or at worst matched them at every turn outside our giveaways. Both games took place at their place. But the goal is to be in that championship game.
with the unproven qb play, Swint set to sit out the first 4 weeks or possibly more, 4 new starters on the dl and 3 in the secondary, id say alot of questions are coming out of ktown....and will they be able to uphold the tradition of that school. im not so sure.
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rumor on the streets, as there was a board meeting for fhsaa the last few days,
several countys are putting together ideas that would become "nightmare scenario" (the exact phrase I was told)---
school a is always good at basketball, but other county schools are just ok and some are terrible, push all those ok kids to school a and do away with basketball at all the other schools.
school b in same county is really good at football, but terrible at basketball. other schools are ok to good, push all the good kids to school b and do away with football at rest of schools.
etc.
have powerhouse sport specific schools.
the district, regional, state series would become a complete waste of time as some school districts may only have a school or 2 that are playing specific sports....
nightmare indeed, if it becomes rampant across the state....
already underpaid teachers and coaches in the best sport state in the country, florida sports will become a complete joke if any of these ideas come to fruition.
add in that ole Ron is making school start at 830 across the state in 3 years, now getting involved with athletics, smh
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1 hour ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Apopka, since 2006, has run a single wing offense. Beginning two seasons ago, it began to incorporate various spread packages into its offense, But it still maintained the single wing as a major package. Personally, I would not necessarily ditch the single wing to the dustbin of history. However, I don't think it should be the only package employed. One drawback is if you fall behind by two scores or more, it is hard to come back. Another is that you lose some of your offensive talent to other schools.
Having a single wing package is an excellent way to give other teams a different look, as well as to run out the clock late in the game.
they ran a little more spread type stuff 2012ish 2013ish when zack was there, it was for sure a dangerous combo to see 2x2 and then all a sudden they shift into single wing or vice versa. i couldnt imagine game planning for the same personnell groupings for a spread em out offense and a smash mouth one.
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On 1/28/2023 at 2:54 PM, Coach said:
The biggest issue with pay for coaches is that there will always be people who want to be a head coach in Florida. As long as 60+ applicants apply to these vacancies whenever they open, there’s no incentive for the districts to pay more because of the same “next man up” philosophy coaches preach. Everybody who is a head coach wants more money. But, there’s a much larger number of people itching to sit in the big chair regardless of the supplement. When you look at neighboring states though, it’s laughable that Florida values athletics so little considering the wealth of talent.
everyone wants to sit in that big chair, until they figure out your now
ceo
laundry boy
helmet repair guy
field maintence
paint crew
PR executive
wrist taper
highlight film maker
nose wiper
booster president
fundraising expert
recruiting guru
teacher of regular ed kids
lesson plan writer of those regular ed classes you teach
tech guy
camera guy
just to name a few roles
and didnt say 1 thing about on field coaching......
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interesting.....
as I drum up some h8,
the atlantic league looks like the best teams in the league, or maybe Im misreading this. alot of fhsaa teams that wasnt making playoffs.
then the regular league is all the small schools.
kinda looks like fhsaa model of suburban and metro.
will the atlantic league champs play the ssac champs?
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9 hours ago, Dr. D said:
It is not a matter of the FHSAA not having the cajones to enact a 1-year sit rule. Their lawyers are smart enough to read Florida Statue 1002.31, which states, "(6)(a) A school district or charter school may not delay eligibility or otherwise prevent a student participating in controlled open enrollment or a choice program from being immediately eligible to participate in interscholastic and intrascholastic extracurricular activities." The intent of the state legislature is clear. The FHSAA can see that. Or they would lose in court if they tried to enact such a restriction.
oh for sure they would lose,
when did the statue come out? when the rep from polk county, lakeland area, went and forced her hand with this. due to publix high kids bolting to lakeland and that coach/admin was going to turn them in. if my old man memory serves me correctly....
it hasnt been that long ago fhsaa was in charge of the sports.....
OSCEOLA KOWBOYS 38 - TOHO TIGERS 0
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toho massacres poinciana, like 40+ point beat down. osceola hangs a 50 burger in the 1st half vs poinciana. id venture to say st cloud and harmony beat them down as well,
osceola playing poinciana next year does very little to help them in their quest for the playoffs. if the new system is in play with you dont have to play a district team, it really makes little sense to play them. completely ruins their strength of schedule and the made up fhsaa rankings, which are pretty bogus.