Jambun82
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11 hours ago, Perspective said:
What a great game.
I saw an endzone video of the 2-point conversion in OT that gave Oviedo the win. I don't think it could have been any closer. When I first saw it, it looked like the RB came up inches short. But then I saw a slow-mo version where it appeared the RB may have just broken the plane before landing short of the goal. Without a goal line camera/view, it's hard to tell. It's really important to have the right perspective.
Too bad someone had to lose that game. But, it brings me to my question (I eventually get there):
@Jambun82, when I watched the video, there was an official (line judge?) right on the goal line. The play came towards him and did NOT involve a big pile up. It was basically the RB against a LB or DB, with a second defender coming in to help. From the video I saw, there was nothing in the way of the official that obscured his line of sight. In other words, he appeared to be in perfect position and had a clear sight line as to whether the ball broke the plane or not. As I believe he's supposed to, he immediately closed the gap and ran in to where the play ended. But instead of giving an immediate signal (either raising his hands to signify a TD or waiving his hands over his head and putting his foot down to signify that the offensive player was stopped short of the goal line), he basically stood there for what seemed like an eternity before he finally signaled a score. Why? Under the circumstances that I laid out, what would cause the line judge to wait so long before signaling? Who or what would or could he be waiting on? I'll keep the conspiracy theories to myself for now.
Thanks in advance.
Perspective, I really wouldn't be able to answer that without seeing the play myself. Thank you.
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22 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZ'ss!!
Now that that has been established, what problems/issues did you have with the officiating in the game Ray?
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3 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Quaking in my Kowboy boots.
When you, or anyone, bashes, critiques, or criticizes the officials or officiating of a High School Football Game on this message board, I am going to expect and demand answers to my questions, and that is how it is going to be. Do you understand, and have I made myself clear?
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On 11/12/2022 at 2:33 PM, Ray Icaza said:
Happy Coach Beek took me up on my offer and both he and his son joined us for the game last night. Thanks Coach for the company and sharing some insights on your Poinciana team. Not one of our better outings but a win nonetheless and some crazy officiating throughout especially for a playoff game. Please JamBun, don't ask for details.
Why not? Are you scared of my questions?
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12 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
"OUR" is a figure of speech encompassing our school and its constituents. If any teaching needs to occur is your mastery of the English language rather than try to DIVERT from the issue at hand which is your modus operandi. Actually was in those stands last night watching our terrific girls volleyball team deliver a 3 game sweep for the Regional Championship vs Dr. Phillips while you fiddled for a response.
Any taxpayer in Osceola can claim some "ownership" of public property in that county. I should start charging you for the lessons that I have taught you on this message board, but I am too nice a man. The privilege is all yours. You're welcome once again Ray. By the way, the Kowboys always have a great spread of food at halftime even if that has be shared with the booster club.
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13 hours ago, Beek said:
Through my athletic director and direct phone calls as our assigner refuses to use email.
I think I know who you are talking about with the man refusing to use email. If you are not getting some of the answers or solutions that you are looking for, your school should consider your options. Geographically, you have an advantage in that aspect.
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On 11/1/2022 at 11:05 AM, Ray Icaza said:
Many years ago I remember us struggling with poor officiating and just like you tried the proper channels to no avail. We eventually had to resort to the other side of the coin that Jambun implied a threat with and that is making a decision which were the absolute worse refs and scratching them so they couldn't step foot in OUR GYM. That at least mitigated having to deal with that handful of individuals you knew were the most problematic.
Since Kissimmee Osceola is a public school, it is not YOUR GYM, the gym belongs to the taxpayers. I never get tired of teaching you lessons Ray, this time in Civics. You're welcome as usual.
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On 11/1/2022 at 12:01 AM, Beek said:
We have been trying to work this out for the last 5 or more years. We will continue to try. But all requests seem to fall on deaf ears.
How are you approaching the leadership of your Officials Association?
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On 10/31/2022 at 12:41 PM, Perspective said:
Jambun,
So, what is your suggestion? How should a coach like Beek address what he perceives to be obvious officiating errors? Who should he contact? It sounds like when he brings the matter to the officiating organization, they blow him off (and basically tell him his team isn't good enough to deserve good officials or even a full squad). But when he puts the plays out there for public consumption, in what appears to be a fairly respectful way, he's being told by the one official on the board that this is "counterproductive."
So, I'm asking you, how would you suggest a disgruntled coach deal with this situation -- especially one that appears to repeat itself game after game?
My suggestion to Beek is to request a face-to-face meeting with the assigner and supervisor of the Officials Association that his school uses. If he is "blown off" as he claims, by the way the ghosts of Clarence Darrow and F. Lee Bailey know that "blown off" is a fairly loose term and everyone has a different interpretation of what that would mean, he should get together with his Athletic Director and consider their options regarding officials for their home games. Possibly contacting another Officials Association when the current contract expires.
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15 hours ago, Beek said:
I deleted the prior posts as to be non-offensive to officials.
All I am trying to do is put it out there that because we are who we are we get sub-par officiating more often than not. Do I expect an official to see this and say, wow we could do better. Absolutely not! What is frustrating as a coach is the lack of respect for a program shown by the officials association. But if I say nothing then I am part of the problem. I have contacted the officials association. I have filled out reviews of officiating. Still nothing happens. I was told directly by the officials that my game doesn't matter therefore 4 officials is all we get because they are short and other games are more important.
10 hours ago, Perspective said:Jambun,
So, what is your suggestion? How should a coach like Beek address what he perceives to be obvious officiating errors? Who should he contact? It sounds like when he brings the matter to the officiating organization, they blow him off (and basically tell him his team isn't good enough to deserve good officials or even a full squad). But when he puts the plays out there for public consumption, in what appears to be a fairly respectful way, he's being told by the one official on the board that this is "counterproductive."
So, I'm asking you, how would you suggest a disgruntled coach deal with this situation -- especially one that appears to repeat itself game after game?
I guess i could just shut up, sit back and be compliant.
I am telling you, not suggesting, telling you that the proper way to handle any issues or problems that you have with officiating for your home football games is to contact your Officials Association's supervisor and assigner with the video of the plays that you want explanations on. Posting on a public message board, where nobody has any idea who is reading and interpreting, what you have to say, especially when you have publicly identified which school that you coach at. Officials have the right to block schools and teams, and the very best officials just may use this option if they know that a coach will publicly call them out in this way. Beek, I suggest that you request to have a nice, long, conversation with the supervisor and assigner of your Officials Association when your season ends. You can iron out some of these issues and problems at that point hopefully.
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9 hours ago, Beek said:
I had 2 more big ones to share but have reached a limit..Dont know for how long the limit is. I would love to share the other 2 plays
Beek, what you are posting on this message board is counterproductive.to what you are trying to attain regarding officiating for your home football games.
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8 hours ago, badbird said:
@Jambun82 I believe this is legal now and you don't have to be under center to spike the ball
That is correct badbird. The immediate throwing of the football to the ground to conserve time by the player directly positioned behind the snapper that has neither been muffed nor touched the ground previously is a legal exception.
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
Well, it appears Daytona Mainland took out it's frustration on Pine Ridge HS (0-7) with a 66-0 thrashing this evening. OUCHH!!
It has been rumored that the game was extremely well-officiated.
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13 hours ago, Beek said:
Exciting, Yes...Stressful, Yes!.. Was a game for the ages. My hat is off to LBV they game planned very well for us. They came out in something we had never seen and proceeded to kick our butts on defense all night. This was a back and forth game for the first few scores. by half it was 27-14 poinciana. In the 3rd 1/4 it was 41-14 poinciana. They they scored and proceeded to onside kicking which for reasons we could not cover. A lot of the reasons were on us, but this was probably one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. There were 4 refs and a home school clock operator. With 40 seconds to go LBV scored the touchdown to tie the game 41-41. Our players stepped up and blocked what would have been the game winning extra point. We got the ball back with 35 seconds. Drove down the field only to throw an interception with 8 seconds left. So we go to overtime. We scored first and made a 2 point conversion. They scored on 4th down bur were stopped 1 foot short on their 2 point conversion!
In previous years PHS would have folded with this type of comeback, These kids stepped up when it was most critical and made the plays that they had to.
Edited: Having watched the game film. The missed penalties, granted I was only looking at my side of the game. Were awful. Holding, targeting on a turnover. missed PI. Shotgun snap with a spike (intentional grounding, not called) Almost unbearable to watch. The back judge is watching the linebackers and his back is turned to what is happening in the secondary. No one even watching the receivers. This is an officiating travesty. In my opinion game should not have been played without a full field crew. But even adjustments to the officials positioning should have been made. We were running the play clock on 1 play. No official was keeping track. We burned 40 or more seconds off. the one official looked like he was about to throw a flag, without a countdown. We ran the play ...But still.
I truly wish there was a place for coaches to share films with officiating associations. Not for anything except training officials to see what they missed and might have been watching to make them better officials.
Coaches can share films with Officials Associations. This has happened for many years, and there is no reason that you cannot share your films with the Officials Association which your school uses for home games.
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On 10/11/2022 at 10:02 PM, KeemD321 said:
What about the kick return where there was the offsides?
In the Palm Bay-Melbourne game it almost got out of hand and could've ended badly for a couple players.
During a interception or fumble return for Palm Bay, Melbourne was penalized for a holding but also during that same play there were 3 egregious blindside blocks by Palm Bay. Was obvious to everyone from the broadcasters to the crowd. One Melbourne got the worst of 2 of them, was demolished by one pirate and after he got up another Palm Bay player ran behind him and launched into his upper back dropping him again. There were literally about 4 or 5 on the play but 3 were absolutely obvious.
I viewed the play that you were describing on the blocked FG attempt.
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On 10/11/2022 at 10:02 PM, KeemD321 said:
What about the kick return where there was the offsides?
In the Palm Bay-Melbourne game it almost got out of hand and could've ended badly for a couple players.
During a interception or fumble return for Palm Bay, Melbourne was penalized for a holding but also during that same play there were 3 egregious blindside blocks by Palm Bay. Was obvious to everyone from the broadcasters to the crowd. One Melbourne got the worst of 2 of them, was demolished by one pirate and after he got up another Palm Bay player ran behind him and launched into his upper back dropping him again. There were literally about 4 or 5 on the play but 3 were absolutely obvious.
I viewed the play that you were describing on the blocked FG attempt.
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On 10/11/2022 at 10:02 PM, KeemD321 said:
What about the kick return where there was the offsides?
In the Palm Bay-Melbourne game it almost got out of hand and could've ended badly for a couple players.
During a interception or fumble return for Palm Bay, Melbourne was penalized for a holding but also during that same play there were 3 egregious blindside blocks by Palm Bay. Was obvious to everyone from the broadcasters to the crowd. One Melbourne got the worst of 2 of them, was demolished by one pirate and after he got up another Palm Bay player ran behind him and launched into his upper back dropping him again. There were literally about 4 or 5 on the play but 3 were absolutely obvious.
I viewed the play that you were describing on the blocked FG attempt.
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On 10/11/2022 at 10:02 PM, KeemD321 said:
What about the kick return where there was the offsides?
In the Palm Bay-Melbourne game it almost got out of hand and could've ended badly for a couple players.
During a interception or fumble return for Palm Bay, Melbourne was penalized for a holding but also during that same play there were 3 egregious blindside blocks by Palm Bay. Was obvious to everyone from the broadcasters to the crowd. One Melbourne got the worst of 2 of them, was demolished by one pirate and after he got up another Palm Bay player ran behind him and launched into his upper back dropping him again. There were literally about 4 or 5 on the play but 3 were absolutely obvious.
I viewed the play that you were describing on the blocked FG attempt.
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1 hour ago, JaxTCA2010stateCHAMP said:
University Christian is good don't get me wrong but the game should have been 28 or 35 to 7
They called back 2 Jax TCA touchdowns
And they called so many penalties on our defense it was ridiculous they literally kept moving UC down the field the whole game
What issues/problems did you have with what you described Jax2010stateCHAMP?
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18 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
https://www.facebook.com/BrevardSportsNet/videos/674061624016548/?app=fbl
Time stamp 2:36:25 mark. It was a blocked fg attempt
Thank you.
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22 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Ohhhhh...now you have the time to look at a game.
I also have time to advise you to calm down and be careful.
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19 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Thanks and no problem. If you want to see the play I can post the link of the game with the time stamp.
Yes, that would be great. I would like to look at the game and the play.
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23 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
What about the kick return where there was the offsides?
In the Palm Bay-Melbourne game it almost got out of hand and could've ended badly for a couple players.
During a interception or fumble return for Palm Bay, Melbourne was penalized for a holding but also during that same play there were 3 egregious blindside blocks by Palm Bay. Was obvious to everyone from the broadcasters to the crowd. One Melbourne got the worst of 2 of them, was demolished by one pirate and after he got up another Palm Bay player ran behind him and launched into his upper back dropping him again. There were literally about 4 or 5 on the play but 3 were absolutely obvious.
The free-kick play should have been whistled dead immediately. Thank you for the other information.
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Perspective, the mechanic used by the line judge on that play was the absolutely the correct one. Speed and making an immediate decision and signal are not important or imperative when an official has a critical call to make such as that play. It is more important or imperative that the official has the right outcome, which in that case was clearly a touchdown.