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  1. 53 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Over the years, we have seen a number of "flash in the pan" teams that have collapsed.  The following 4 programs all had extended reigns of dominance before collapsing.

    Bradenton Southeast-Southeast was one of the top programs in the state in the 80's and 90's and was recognized nationally for its accomplishments.  Between 1983-2004, under coaching legend Paul Maechtle, Southeast made 19 playoff appearances and won 35 playoff games.   During those years, they won 7 region titles and made 5 title game appearances, winning back-to-back state titles in 1993 and 1994.  Southeast has not had a winning season since 2013. 

    Haines City-Haines City was a very strong program in the early 70's and throughout the 90's.  In the early 70's, the Hornets made 2 title game appearances, winning it all in 1973.  They won 9 playoff games in the 90's and made a title game appearance in 1991.  During those 2 time frames, the Hornets won 6 region titles.  The Hornets have won only 5 games over the past 6 seasons and this year they have been outscored, on average, 47-4.  They have not won a playoff game since 2000. 

    Springfield Rutherford-Under Coach Steve Hardin between the years of 1993-2002, Rutherford was an absolute powerhouse.  They were even making noise on the national scene.  During those years, they won 21 playoff games, 5 region titles and made 2 title game appearances.  Over the past 7 years, Rutherford has won only 18 games and have not won a playoff game since 2002.   They have not had a winning season since 2009.

    Warner Christian-Between 2005-2014, Warner Christian was a small school power, winning 20 playoff games and making 3 title game appearances. Over the past 7 seasons the Eagles have won only 14 games.  In the past 2 seasons they only managed to score, on average, only about 6 points per game.   

    You can add Evans in Orlando to the list above. In the 1980s through 2001, they were one of the best teams in the greater Orlando area and shared the 1991 large class state title with Southridge. Except for two brief seasons when Chip Gierke was head coach, they have not made the playoff since. It's a pity as there is still a lot of talent in the school zone. Unfortunately, the cream of it goes elsewhere these days. For a good coach willing to put in the work and commit four years minimum, this would be an excellent opportunity to turn around a program as there is no reason this school should not make the playoffs with frequency. 

  2. In the regular season game, West Orange defeated Apopka 15-14 in overtime when they decided to go for two rather than do it again. In that game Apopka was without Jaquan Lohman, the heart and soul of its offense. Consequentially, Apopka was unable to mount much offense during the game and only forced overtime in the 4th quarter due to a huge defensive play that set Apopka up in the red zone late in the 4th quarter. This enabled them to tie the game at 7 apiece after West Orange had led for most of the game.

    Last week, Apopka demonstrated that its coaching staff used the bye week productively. The result was a complete overhaul of the offense, both with respect to personnel and scheme. The result was probably Apopka's best offensive game of the season. If Apopka has remained healthy and can repeat last week's performance, I expect a different game than the regular season matchup. West Orange has several weapons at their disposal including a third McDoom and another rangy receiver. However, I believe that if Apopka can repeat last week's form it will win convincingly. While I am not predicting a blowout, I see the Darters taking this game by two scores and moving on to the third round and either a rematch with Lake Mary or a date with Oviedo. If I am right, this should set up a rematch with either Seminole or Bartram Trail in the state semifinals. 

  3. 1 hour ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    I just added to the original post that I am considering forfeits, so that might knock someone off your list.

    I know Armwood forfeited a state title against Miami Central in 2009 or so. That may knock them off the list if they forfeited multiple games that year due to ineligible players. Ironically, at least one of the players involved was a Dr. Phillips transfer who probably still resided in Orange County. 

  4. 8 hours ago, gatorman-uf said:

    Wolfson's biggest problem over the past 4 years is that they have become an IB only school (it is why their population dropped so much). Basically, Stanton, Paxon, and Wolfson are the same type of schools (same as Suncoast Riviera Beach).

    Are you saying the very foundation of the Rhodes Scholarship is a non-starter? That outstanding academics and athletics just don't mix? Who would have thought? :D

  5. 12 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:
    Here are some old schools that have never won an FHSAA playoff game:
    Keystone Heights
    Lake Placid

    In the 24 seasons I have watched Orlando area football, Colonial has had one good team. They just failed to make the playoffs that year, but in any given year that team which went 7-3 could have won 1, perhaps 2, playoff games. They had a good dual threat QB and a talented WR, in addition to a decent defense. They were just one district win away from the playoffs that year. 

    Other than that, they struggle year in and year out. Cypress Creek High is sort of in the same bucket but did at least make the playoffs at least once (they did not win) and have not yet had enough seasons to compete with the schools you have listed. 

  6. 7 hours ago, Proseteye said:

    The same holds true for most public schools whereby the school population is 75 to 80 percent non minority and the football team is 75 to 80 per cent minority. Minorities excel in football and basketball. Doesn't make any difference if it is a public or private school. We all know that recruiting goes on and it's mostly word to mouth as coaches don't risk it for obvious reasons. You can never stop word to mouth recruiting especially with all the social media there is. By the way I believe that any student in the state of Florida can transfer to any other school in the state of Florida no matter the distance if the recipient school has room.

    In basketball, that is true in Orlando. In football, that is not the case at all. While the correlation between school population and football is not 1/1, in largely white schools the football team is, well, largely white. In more diverse schools, it is largely black. In private schools, that have strong teams, both in Orlando and the rest of the state, it is largely minority. 

  7. 49 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    I wonder how many of the lesser-known private schools around the state lose kids to the powerhouse public schools in the same way during their later years.  The vast majority of private schools in the state do not dominate in hs football. 

    In Orlando, it goes both ways. WP picked up a Bishop Moore two way starter. Apopka has in the recent past, picked up a kid from TFA. Mike Brewster transferred from Lake Highland to Edgewater. Those are notable private to public transfers. But the list of public to private is much longer. In Orlando, this is more pronounced in basketball, as aside from Bishop Moore and, to a lesser extent, TFA, most of the privates here don't have very strong football programs. But in Broward county, that is not the case at all. The privates dominate football. Recently, Columbus has been showing signs in Dade of doing the same. I find it funny, indeed, when I see the rosters of a Columbus or a St. Thomas, which typically have at least 50% (usually more) minority participation when these schools usually have less than 10% minority enrollees in total. 

  8. 2 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    This is from American Heritage's Linkedin page.  Send your kid here and he'll go to a great college like these kids!  Go to their facebook page and they have a "recruiting" video as slick as the big colleges.  And there is nothing wrong with it, per se, because they are a private institution and need to actively solicit students. 

    Nobody faults them for doing so, but when it comes to doing the same with athletes people get their feathers ruffled.  I'm not saying schools recruiting athletes is right, I just find it interesting that people try to create this ethical boundary when it comes to what private schools should and should not be doing.  If it is OK to recruit students, why is it not OK to recruit athletes?   What's the difference?  I am just trying to have an open mind.


    Old School, to be honest, I have no problem with a private school taking in an impressive athlete as a 9th grader with a scholarship or whatever they can use to entice him/her. In that situation, they are assuming some degree of risk as the kid may not fulfil early promise. On the other hand, I do have an issue with these same privates taking in Juniors and Seniors from public school programs via recruiting. It just seems to me that this is a blatant attempt to poach talent from publics after coaching staffs have invested heavily in developing the athlete. Further, this later stage recruiting does little for the kids from an academic standpoint as one or two years are hardly ever enough to benefit the kid academically or ensure their success in college, and life beyond. 

  9. 43 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    It used to be admirable to work a blue collar job at the factory just like your dad.  But some folks poopoo'd that idea along the way and convinced folks that unless you go to college you somehow didn't make it in the world.  And look how many parents bought into that idea.  Now everyone wants their kids to go to college, and are desperate to make it happen.  People are doing anything possible, including sending their kids to IMG.  So, why should we look down upon IMG?   We wanted progress, and we got it.  I guess one needs to be careful what you ask for in this world.

    We got change. I would not necessarily call it progress. Indeed, regress seems more appropriate to me. But I am just a poor, old, third world type. So what would I know?

  10. 6 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

    All of their talent goes to Deerfield, plus inconsistency in the coaching position. 

    max preps say Ely was (2-1) coming in tonight losing 34-0 to Deerfield. 

    what did you see from Dillard ?

    It is a pity Ely no longer keeps its talent. No hate on DB, but Ely was very good back in the day, and I miss seeing them being competitive. I guess they are similar to Evans in Orlando which loses most of its talent to: Edgewater, Wekiva, Dr. Phillips, Jones, etc.

  11. 6 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

    All of their talent goes to Deerfield, plus inconsistency in the coaching position. 

    max preps say Ely was (2-1) coming in tonight losing 34-0 to Deerfield. 

    what did you see from Dillard ?

    Dillard looked good. But it was hard to say how good due to Ely looking weak. I would need to see a more competitive game before I could really rate Dillard objectively. It's a pity the public schools in Broward did not get a chance to play in the playoffs. 

  12. 39 minutes ago, HornetFan said:

    Between the interceptions on wild throws down field and a QB fumble in Apopka territory, I think WP only had one or two 1st downs in the 2nd half, and one of those was when the QB transfer from Buffalo entered the game with less than 4 minutes to go. 

    Winter Park had one very good drive in the second half. I think they got two or possibly three first downs on it. Then there was the fumble on a bad exchange that Apopka was able to fall on. After that, WP was pretty much out of the game. Apopka played beyond my expectations largely due to changes made on offense both with respect to personnel and formation. It also helped that they were healthy coming into the game as they were hit hard by injury during the regular season. 

    The trick is to stay healthy and keep their game at last night's standard or higher. If they can do that, they have a shot at winning it all. Seminole will, if we get that far, be a difficult game. Not sure what to make of Palmetto as they struggled against Lake Nona last night and have lost their starting QB for the rest of the year. I have looked at Vero Beach on tape, and while they are fundamentally sound and all around solid, I think they are the kind of team that would have trouble adjusting to Apopka's pace. Treasure Coast, which runs the single wing, is a wild card. 

  13. 46 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:

    Oh I can tell from the score from last night. I'm just interested to see how Rockledge can respond to a team like AHP. Also, this will be their 2nd time playing each other in the past 3 seasons.

    The Raiders have a shot, but need to play mistake free football. 

    If I lived in Brevard County, they would be my team. I have much respect for Rockledge. 

  14. 28 minutes ago, HornetFan said:

    Take nothing away from Apopka or their very talented running QB. They came to play, and play hard they did. Apopka uses about 4 different running plays all game, but they run them very effectively and for some reason WP coaches never adjusted to take away the outside running game. WP was definitely outcoached in this game, to the point it was embarrassing. I would love to see the game when Apopka plays Seminole; that should be a great game between two excellent teams. Congrats to the Apopka Darters on a great win.

    Got to get by West Orange first, and then likely Oviedo (but it could be a Lake Mary rematch). West Orange beat Apopka 15-14 in overtime in the regular season and has been playing well. If Apopka can play as well as it did against Winter Park, I think they win. But it won't be easy. The regional final should be easier, but I would not look past any team in the playoffs.

    Apopka's defense is very aggressive and some quarterbacks don't respond well to it as they are forced into decisions more quickly then they are used to. I think that affected the WP quarterback's performance tonight. Having watched him on tape in two other games, he strikes me as more of a runner than a passer, though. So, I am not sure why he was the starter if the other two are better in the air. 

    Lohman was a defensive back his first two years at Apopka. He was forced into the offense due to the departure of Jackson Darlington and the injury sustained by Jacoryan Davis-Hamilton. Otherwise, he would still be playing defense. Last year he single handedly (more or less) took Apopka all the way to the finals and almost won it but for late defensive lapses. What I like about his running style is that though he is quick he runs smart. He often waits on his blockers to create room and he has a great nose for determining which way to take the ball. 

  15. In its best complete game of the season, Apopka beat the Winter Park Wildcats by a final score of 33-7. Prior to this, our best performance was 3 quarters and five minutes against Jones, before the team melted down. Apopka used its week off to make substantial changes to its offense, both with respect to lineup and formations. It paid off handsomely. 

    If Apopka can stay healthy and continue to play at the level displayed tonight, they have a shot at making it back to the 8A championship game assuming Covid-19 does not make an appearance. 

    Great game, Darters!

  16. 29 minutes ago, badbird said:

    This is 2020 facts don't matter lol.  Vero is also a different team on the road.  I haven't looked at the bracket but if they get Osceola or Palmetto on the road they could be in trouble.  I'll still take Vero or someone off the board that gets hot

    It has been a strange year in so many respects ... and it's not over yet. 

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