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21 hours ago, Perspective said:
Serious question (for everyone): I know the FHSAA had to back down on the school choice issue, but has the governor, the legislature or anyone else in Tallahassee explicitly or implicitly threatened the FHSAA for cracking down on recruiting? In other words, why can't the FHSAA be more proactive when it comes to investigating schools that recruit? If memory serves me correct, the FHSAA was very active a decade or so ago with respect to making sure kids went to the schools for which they were zoned (and making sure there were no apartment deals or other impermissible benefits). Why can't they do the same thing now with recruiting? Is someone putting pressure on them to turn a blind eye to recruiting? Who? And if you believe that to be the case, please be as factually detailed with your response as possible. Thanks.
There's no sense in chasing pots of gold at the end of rainbow without proof or people willing to report "alleged" misconduct. Investigations cost money and those Max Preps checks only go so far, lol.
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I’m waiting for someone to blame this on Lakeland too.
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16 hours ago, Perspective said:
Nulli, I did think about that. I actually started going back to the FHSAA archives to look at the scores from the state playoff semifinal games playoff games (going back to 2010). And then I remembered that I actually have a day job.
In any event, we may just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this point. I think that's still allowed . . . even on message boards.
I'm here for the conversation and that doesn't mean we have to agree all the time. Healthy discussion never hurt anyone unless you're a P**** .
It's funny you mention 2010. Just last week, I was thinking why in the world did the FHSAA pick 2010 as the baseline starting point for the m/s/r agenda. Looking at trends, the scales tipped in favor of metro counties in 2002 but really exploded when the state went to 7 classes. Like you, I have a day job and didn't take it any deeper than that. It's all a numbers game, lol.
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2 hours ago, Perspective said:
But if the top 12-16 teams are playing in the Premier League, I think the rest of the divisions would be more competitive. Think about it, if you take teams like Chaminade, Cocoa, Central, MNW, U of STA, Columbus, Venice, Lakeland and a handful of others out of the mix, I think it would even out the playing field in the regular divisions. If we're still seeing blowouts on a regular basis, then I'm open to promotion/relegation.
By the way, I'm guessing you don't care much for the College Football Playoff National Championship games either . . . since 2017, when 'Bama beat UGA 26-23, the average point differential in the champion game has been 28 points, with the smallest margin of victory being 15 points and the largest margin being 58 points.
Hmmmm... I disagree. If you remove the top tier teams, what's to stop tier 2 teams from killing everyone else and then we end up back in the same vicious cycle that everyone is trying to get away from now? Just something to think about.
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2 hours ago, Perspective said:
Well, I know that I, for one, can go to bed tonight and rest peacefully knowing that no coaches, assistant coaches, handlers or other representatives of any Florida high school football program will reach out to any of these players or their families to 'discuss their options.'
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On 1/4/2024 at 8:22 PM, Dr. D said:
I think that topic was actually tabled for discussion at the next BoD meeting, so there could still be a chance that it could be adopted. Although listening to the tone of the December 12 meeting, it did not seem like it had much support from the Board members.
Listening to that last meeting, it sounded like most had a shot of IDGAF.
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7 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
I am sure some kids choose to play for the powers. However, it seems that today, many coaches and players recruit the players from other schools and never get punished for it. You have coaches liking players on social media and not a darn thing happens to them. CHEATERS. Lakeland can play with anybody when they get transfers but when they were limited after probation, they were just another average team. Need an open division with about 36 teams and that would force the powers to beat each other up. Pick on someone their own size.
Burden of proof will continue to be an issue especially when the language has never been updated to include social media. Have evidence, REPORT IT!
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1 hour ago, smashmouth80 said:
Right....who is really scared of the competition? Who really just wants a trophy given to them?
Apparently Lakeland is according to him.
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3 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
You act like the suburb plan helped tons of schools. Teams like Lake wales who made semi finals before get to win a state title. I dont love the current enrollment model but the suburb idea was not done on the up and up. The population density crap was snuck in to favor a certain polk county team whose representative started this whole mess. The elite model was a start but needed to include the top 32 so all the Miami Centrals and Venices and Chaminaddes could have fun beating each other up since they all recruit. I have been pushing promotion and demotion due to the unfairness of school who cheat and those who play by the rules.
Here you go again. No one from Polk County sat on the FHSAA BOD or was involved in the Metro/Suburban decision making from its inception down to going from most populated counties to most densely populated counties. Again, why would Polk (especially Lakeland) run from metro schools they were beating anyway?
FHSAA Meeting minutes (notice the absence of Polk representation)
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8 hours ago, Perspective said:
Circling back to the original question: does anyone know if the FHSAA publishes the results of its investigations into programs that recruit or provide impermissible benefits? If so, when and where?
Per the Infractions Appeals Committee page (which is outdated), to obtain information for the current year you will need to send an email to EmailEligibility@fhsaa.org. Otherwise, you would have to check two sections under Governance Meeting Archives: Infractions Appeals Committee and Section Appeals Committee.
I hope that is close to what you were looking for. I also seem to recall violations under the regular meeting minutes but did not look.
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2 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
Looks like their first season was the 2020 plague year, where they went 7-1. On the field, they've had only winning seasons each year. (The 2022 season had several forfeit losses for games they won on the field.) Last year was a strong year, at 11-2. They posted pretty huge numbers and margins of victory. The lone regular season loss was without their starting QB, and they avenged it in the playoffs. They were knocked out by Plant in what appears to have been a tight game.
They just received a QB transfer, in Lake Gibson's starting Qb, who is a rising junior and pretty good prospect.
It is very unusual for a brand new program to win most all of its games right away. Something must be going on there. Anyone have further insight?
Someone left LG and didn't go to Lakeland!? I'm shocked!
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4 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
This will be Lakeland's first trip to Traz Powell stadium, known by locals as "The Mecca". It will probably be the 3rd time in the last nine seasons Lakeland will face the best team in Dade county (Carol City in 2016 and Norland in 2023 being the other two.)
We'll have to keep an eye on the recruiting classes for these teams, as that will make all the difference in how this game goes. Both schools have a solid nucleus returning, but, in this day and age they'll have to recruit well to stay at a top level.
I knew Lakeland would let go of Bryant stadium and head to S. Florida once Coach Castle retired. I love this! Lakeland was burned by Andrew in 92' and ever since, no regular season game has been scheduled in S. Florida.
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On 1/21/2024 at 3:19 AM, DarterBlue2 said:
Some intriguing things could come out of this that would forever change the nature of high school sports. But, in a sense, it's the logical end game for where we are heading. Celebration in the Orlando metro statistical area may yet bag a football title!
The only football title celebration Celebration will celebrate is their name.
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On 1/18/2024 at 7:28 PM, Manatee Magic said:
Sorry, I don't understand?
Smaller schools especially those in the more rural areas of the state took a beating which helped to usher in the addition of more classes to even out the playing field.
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19 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
The above is the logical conclusion to where sports, particularly football, it headed; like it or not (I will keep my opinion to myself), it's the path of least resistance.
You know we do things the hard way on FHSF! Speak your mind @DarterBlue2!
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12 hours ago, Manatee Magic said:
Ok, c'mon dog. What was the biggest complaint?
Trying to keep the small schools from going independent and the private schools that helped pave the way for the public/private conversation to begin with.
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4 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
Horrible. It’s a cash grab. The FHSAA get a cut of every playoff game. So more classes means more games means more money. It’s always about money in the end. It’s never about student athletes
Sticky fingers is part of it. However, everyone around during the 90's and early 2000's should recall what the biggest complaint was during that era. ***HINT. Its still a complaint today, lol.
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any idea what the total high school student population was during all of those years mentioned? Or even the total number of high schools? Just wondering if the number of classes has increased because the number of schools has increased because the student population has increased.
Between the FHSAA and FDOE, good luck on finding historical data. I'll look into it later and see what turns up.
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4 hours ago, Manatee Magic said:
Christ, why can't we just go back to the late '90s when the district champ and runner-up got in. 6 classes, done. Before that, only district winners got in. Then they made a major change and added another round and let the runner-ups in and that was perfect. Best change they ever made and should have left it that way.
Something else to think about.
1963 - 1 class - 1 year
1964 - 2 classes - 1 year
1965 - 1967: 3 classes - 3 years
1968 - 1984: 4 classes - 17 years
1985 - 1998: 5 classes - 14 years
Does anyone remember what event(s) prompted the accelerated addition of classes below?
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1999 - 2002: 6 classes - 4 years (champ, runner-up, at large)
2003 - 2004: 7 classes - 2 years
2005 - 2021: 8 classes - 17 years
2022 - 2023: 9 classes - 2 year
2024....: 8 classes - 1st year -
8 hours ago, Dr. D said:
This alone is probably not enough to get the attention of the head-in-the-sand FHSAA, but it will be interesting to see the final total of schools choosing to go independent. The one silver lining, as mentioned in Josh's other article, is the remote possibility of contraction of the number of classifications that might be required, if enough teams choose to go independent.
It won't mean squat until a county AD, multiple in fact remove ALL their schools. This is nothing more than the tried and true speech in college: Look to your left, look to your right. Some of you will not make to graduation.
Regarding districts, a few schools may be shuffled around to even the numbers as that solution is easier than completely reworking.
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On 1/9/2024 at 12:15 PM, Floridaatlantic1 said:
Of course it was done by a suburb area newspaper. Teams loved avoiding south Florida talent.
LOL. S. Florida has everything to lose when defeated by any school outside of the Big 3 counties, right?
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5 hours ago, imjustafan2 said:
Unfortunately the Orlando Sentinel won't let me view the article, because I don't subscribe to them.
I don't subscribe either, but you didn't miss anything. The meat and potatoes of the article boils down to 8 outclassed football programs making the move to go independent with Orange county's blessing. Unfortunately, the title is misleading, almost clickbait-ish.
will they pay the coaches???
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I'll believe it when I see it.... Damn shame it even has to come to this.