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22 minutes ago, peezy28 said:
They are legit... They should beat Plant pretty easily but I think Armwood would beat them. They can go far but I don't see state title holder.
TBT's problem is that they are in the same region with Armwood and Lakeland. Only one of those three teams can advance to the final four.
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22 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:
Other than IMG, none of these schools will truly ever to admit to recruiting a player. We can talk all we want about the number of transfers that a school gets (I rarely believe it makes a team that much better, but rather simply just worsens average teams). The reality is that none of them consider themselves recruiting schools. They consider themselves schools with great football programs that people are just naturally attracted to because they are winners or send athletes on to the next level.
Again it is why we should push for promotion/relegation. Good teams move up, bad teams move down. Eventually, you end up in the exact situation you are asking for (really good teams (recruiting or not) play against other really good teams).Does IMG acknowledge that they recruit? If so, how can they still be in the FHSAA? Yes, I know they're "independent." Yes, I know they can't compete for a state championship. But as an FHSAA member (which has benefits to a school like IMG), they are supposed to adhere to FHSAA rules -- one of which is 'no recruiting.'
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8 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:
Is Tampa Bay Tech legitimate this year? I don't think they have ever advanced past the Regional Finals, but the Laz Index has them ranked #5 in the state with a game against an 0-2 Plant. Is this the year that somebody breaks the Plant/Armwood stranglehold on Hillsborough County?
I'll know more after tonight.
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27 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:
What's going on that Tarpon Springs is so bad? Is East Lake taken all the good players or something? Has there been a coaching change? In recent years I recall Tarpon Springs being in the playoff mix.
Peezy knows more about this than I do, but as I understand it, Tarpon Springs has been through as many as three head coaches within the last year alone.
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52 minutes ago, Coach said:
Some times it's not up to the schools. I think in Hillsborough County the County AD makes all of those decisions - which is why a school like Leto is still in a district. So, as coaches it's easy to know when it's time to move. But, sometimes those decisions are out of their (or even a school's) control.
You are correct about the way things are done in Hillsborough County (and why Leto should be allowed to go independent for a few years, but probably won't be).
However, Tarpon Springs is in Pinellas County . . . just like Dunedin is. So, an independent route may be the best thing Tarpon Springs can do to regain their footing. Dunedin just went independent this year and has actually won its first three games of the season -- after losing 43 straight! Here's a link to a recent article:
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Can someone please explain to me why a player would ever take a swing at the face/head of an opposing player while the opposing player has his helmet on? It happened in one of the pro games yesterday and apparently happened in one of the Tampa Bay high school games Saturday night.
I get hormones, testosterone, heat of the moment, excitement, frustration, and downright anger. What I don't get is taking a bare hand and swinging it at the face or head of somebody else who's face and head are guarded by bars and a shell made out of really hard materials. Has anyone ever seen this end well for the kid throwing the punch?
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28 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Hey I have a question about a situation that came up in our game
We were attempting a XP our holder got up with the ball as if it was a fake then went back to a knee for the kicker to kick the ball but wouldn't that have ruled the play dead since he got up with the ball then took a knee?
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the holder can lift up off the knee to catch an errant/high snap so long as they immediately return to a position with the knee on the ground without being considered "down." However, if the snap is a good one and the holder voluntarily rises up off the knee and then returns the knee to the ground, the play should be blown dead (just like any other play in which an offensive player with the ball has his knee touch the ground). Judgment call on the snap and judgment call on whether the holder immediately returned to knee-on-the-ground holding position. In my opinion, if the holder comes off his knee with the ball (or receives the ball with his knee off the ground) and does anything other than go straight (back) down to the holding position, the player is down and the play should be blown dead.
All that having been said, I'm actually quite surprised that a holder had time to rise up, give the impression that it was a fake kick, return to the holding position and still get the kick off. What would be the point in faking a fake?
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1 hour ago, HornetFan said:
The transfer system is the tool they use to recruit. In a city like Orlando, where schools aren't that far apart, it's easy for a kid who can drive to move from one school to another as long as that school has available capacity, Coaches are using that free transfer policy to poach athletes from neighboring schools. I'm sure it's the same way in South Florida and Tampa. Where coaches get in trouble is when the destination school doesn't have available capacity; then, phony addresses have been used to facilitate the transfer. It's not my responsibility to uncover violations that all coaches are already aware of.
The transfer system has made it easier for a kid zoned for one school to attend another school in another district and play sports at the new school. No question about it. That was always the intent of the legislation. It allowed the rich to get richer (except those that are at capacity; they get screwed). It has, in my opinion, allowed schools, coaches, boosters, players, parents, etc. to be a little more brazen about "encouraging" kids to take advantage of the new transfer policy. And, at the same time, the FHSAA has significantly throttled back its investigative and enforcement duties, responsibilities and obligations, perhaps because they don't want to run the risk of being legislated completely out of existence. Imagine, if you will, a society where law enforcement is afraid to pursue criminals for fear that they will be put out of business if they arrest/prosecute those very criminals. Well, that's where we are now with high school football.
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58 minutes ago, HornetFan said:
It is illegal for coaches to approach players from outside their school district. It doesn't prevent players talking to players from other teams and then manipulating the open transfer policy our state legislature recently adopted. Suddenly, you have several players with different last names living in one home. Hmmm! It can't happen unless the coaches encourage and accept it.
I hear what you're saying, and I understand that 'kids will be kids and kids will talk to other kids,' but just so you (and others are aware), players can't encourage players from other teams to come play for their school.
From the current FHSAA Football Manual:
“Athletic recruiting” is any effort by a school employee, athletic department staff member or representative of a school’s athletic interests to pressure, urge or entice a student to attend that school for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics.“Representative of a school’s athletic interests” refers to any independent person, business or organization that participates in, assists with and/or promotes that school’s interscholastic athletic program. This includes:(a) A student-athlete or other student participant in the athletic program at that school; -
24 minutes ago, HornetFan said:
Bishop Moore Catholic HS plays in 5A without the benefit of transfer recruits or scholarships. If an athlete wants to attend Bishop Moore, they have to pay the $14K tuition each year. Still, their schedule includes teams like 7A Edgewater and 5A Jones, the top two ranked teams in Central Florida (both recruit the area heavily), as well as nationally ranked Archbishop Spalding (Maryland/DC), who also heavily recruits the Mid-Atlantic area. Without a change in scheduling philosophy, it will become increasingly more difficult for BM to compete successfully in non-district 5A games. Recruiting will eventually destroy football at the "regular" high schools.
I thought recruiting was illegal.
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And maybe the first team offenses should play a little more in pre-season.
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37 minutes ago, peezy28 said:
Who knows on that but even if they did my schedule is not set up to allow me to travel on Fridays this year.
Translation: Now that I have kids, Friday night is date night. And my wife has made it clear that if I want to have any shot at getting a little nooky, I best not spend my Friday nights out watching high school football games.
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Hillsborough County Public School games scheduled for Friday night are being moved to Saturday or Monday to give the teams more time to prepare after being off until today. As of now, private school games remain unchanged.
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I don't know how much state money, if any, IMG has received over the last couple of years, but if you expand out to five years, the number is close to $10 million. One state legislator (State Rep Jim Boyd) justified it this way: IMG has "become an international sports juggernaut that is attracting 12,000 athletes a year to train in the region." That in turn is "pulling in tourists and growing Florida's fledgling sports tourism industry."
Sources:
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2015/06/18/Facilities/IMG-Academy.aspx
In short, IMG is getting state assistance because it's a business that is generating income to the state in the form of tourist tax dollars. Now, we can debate the pros and cons of this strategy all day long. Same for whether any business, much less one masquerading as a school, deserves tax dollars. But the thing that I think most of us can agree on is that IMG is not just another high school. In fact, it's not just another private school. If anything, when it comes to their athletic programs, it is, as someone noted above, more akin to a prep school.
Therein lies the problem. Prep schools exists primarily in the northeast. Prep schools often include kids who have graduated from high school, but who have not yet gone on to college. Because of this, prep schools tend to play other prep schools . . . which you can do if there is a group of them in a particular geographic area. There are no other prep schools for IMG to play down here (and by "down here," I basically mean from the Mason-Dixon line south). So, IMG has two choices: play a national schedule (which involves 4-5 travel games a year) or play a couple of "national" games and then fill out the schedule with whatever in-state teams are willing to play you. They are neither fish nor fowl.
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I get the concept that if you don't have school, you can't practice and if you can't practice, you can't play a game. That said, I have a question for those who may be coaching or have coached in the past: (A) would you rather have one day (possibly two days) of practice this week with a game Friday night or Saturday or, alternatively, (B) would you rather play a game on Monday and turn around and play another game on Friday?
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48 minutes ago, NewEraFball said:
I just always think its a shame when one of FL powerhouses is a huge favorite and should be the clear winner based on talent and size of an opponent, but end up getting beat. Here is also what I heard from the Armwood vs. North Gwinnet game....NG should have won by multiple scores. I heard also that they physically dominated Armwood and wore them down in the second half. I have not seen the film nor will I probably be able to, but I'm just telling you what I heard. How does FL best team get physically dominated and worn down? That's a question everyone should be asking.
Armwood has a long history of fielding a team with exceptional athletes but very little depth. I'm guessing that if they got "worn down" it was in the trenches, not at the skill positions.
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How bad is it over on the East Coast? it's only Tuesday. Dorian's supposed to be all the way up in North Carolina by Friday. Couldn't teams practice tomorrow and Thursday and play Friday night? Or at least play Saturday?
I'm all for taking reasonable precautions, but unless the fields are unplayable (for practice and/or games), I'm not sure why games are being canceled. What am I missing?
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34 minutes ago, ORabidOne said:
WELL, since he had North Gwinnett as a three score dog against Armwood! He MAY wanna revisit his formula!
Well, Tennessee was a 25 point favorite over Georgia State this past weekend and Georgia State won. I seriously doubt that Vegas is going to revisit their formulas based on one random outcome. That said, when I first posted last week that Joe Pinkos had Armwood favored by 21, I raised the question of how they assign a value (or, to use their words, a "power rating") to an out of state school. Now that is something that they may want to revisit. Or, given the relatively small number of out of state games, Joe may simple decide it ain't worth the time and effort -- especially since they're not taking bets or paying out huge house losses on Saturday mornings.
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24 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
You always assume FL is nothing but transfer loaded teams smh
In this case, however, that was a pretty good assumption.
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For what it's worth, this is the lead-in language to the picks each week on Joe Pinkos:
" Joe Pinkos’ Power Ratings are calculated by a formula based on strength of opposition and margin of victory with greater weight given to recent games. The forecasted margin of victory for each game is determined by subtracting the power rating of the lower-rated team from the power rating of its higher-rated opponent."
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7 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Where did you see that EVERYONE had them as 21 point favorites
I saw it as maybe a TD favorite at most
This was from Joe Pinko's Week 2:
"Armwood 21 over North Gwinnett GA"
Only line I saw.
Boca Ciega Beat Tarpon 88-0 in 3 qtrs
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So you're saying that Boca Ciega is not a very strong second half team?