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2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
and there has to be context calling teams “good” or “decent” etc etc.
Lake Brantley, Ocoee and Boone are not good on a state scale. If Winter Park is supposedly a top 25 team in the state, then teams like this are not helpful in assessing that.
imagine if Miami Central or STA scheduled them. People would be scratching their heads. Those would be horrible competition. But if a team like Lake Buena Vista was playing them you would say that some good, tough opponents.
its all relative and always needs context
and there has to be context calling teams “good” or “decent” etc etc.
Lake Brantley, Ocoee and Boone are not good on a state scale. If Winter Park is supposedly a top 25 team in the state, then teams like this are not helpful in assessing that.
The kids at Winter Park are high school student athletes, with emphasis on "student". Their coaches, with the concurrence of school administrators, scheduled a trip to Atlanta to play a highly rated team; it's expensive to travel long distances and it takes these kids away from classes that many need to attend. If WP wanted to schedule Miami Central or STA or any of the other South Florida football powers, where do you suppose those games would have to take place? MC and STA are not going to travel to play WP; they enjoy their home field advantage and would insist upon maintaining that advantage. One big trip during the season for a HS team is a great experience. A football team and its games are a valuable experience for the student population. Most underclassmen would not be able to travel around the state or Southeast to attend these "elite" games. WP schedules teams from their FHSAA assigned district and other Central Florida teams as schedules can be mutually agreed upon. Sleep on WP and teams may be surprised; there's some real talent on this year's team.
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11 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
I have watched some of the WP games this year to see how one of our kids would perform for them. They do seem to have a better team than last year and my reasoning for thinking the win in GA was impressive was due to the fact that they weren't expected to win. Again, their schedule is not as challenging as they should strive for with the kind of team they have to prepare to challenge the top teams in the area for the 4M playoffs. By the way, our kid probably our most complete returning Slot/WR that transferred there has been a difference maker. He ran back a kick-off about 90 yards for a TD plus a punt for over 50 to the half foot line against Lake Nona plus a handful of receptions. He then backed that up with a solid all-around performance against the Georgia team. We knew him as ZAY, #13 - Izaiah Jean-Baptsite. A weapon that would have certainly benefitted us this year.
Zay has been a welcome and valuable addition to the Winter Park football team, both as a player and a teammate. He and several other WR's give the Wildcats a solid receiving group. WP, facing a big size disadvantage against North Gwinnett on the OL, turned almost exclusively to the passing game in the 2nd half on a wet and rainy day. It paid off with a 21 point 4th quarter and a victory.
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5 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Not weak but not elite either
Boone, Ocoee and Lake Brantley are decent teams but those games aren't enough to justify top 25 on their own and the only game that could (North Gwinnett) basically hinges on how they do the rest of the season
Just as I argued that lowndes isn't a true test of where AHP stood and I want to see how their games with Chaminade and Cardinal Gibbons goes
And I doubt Winter Park cares where they are ranked but it doesn't make my job any easier because I rank them and it could be another Lake Wales situation
Boone should be a solid test, maybe if they look dominant that will help a bit
They can only play the team on the other side of the field that day. If they win, that's great. If not, there's always next week. WP is not into recruiting as their school is considered "at capacity". Most of the schools you consider "top teams" are loaded with recruits that they lure away from those you call "lesser teams". WP is a solid team that has the potential to play most teams very tough. After two wins, they have earned recognition. Let's see how it plays out.
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6 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
My rankings work best when the teams in the top 50 play a bunch of other ranked teams because I can compare results with ranked opponents
When they don't play those teams I'm basically stuck having to hope if I bump a team into the rankings that they are able to earn their ranking with a deep playoff run otherwise I have a situation like Lake Wales a few years back where they get super highly ranked but then they start struggling with teams ranked far lower and I have to wait for them to lose before dropping them out
You have to move teams up and down as the season progresses. You can't use past seasons' successes because these teams change every year. New kids step up as the others graduate and move on. WP beat Lake Nona 42-0 in their opening game; they pulled their starters at the end of the 3rd quarter. LN is not a strong team. They beat NG 31-19 in a hostile environment. Two games into the season, that's pretty good. Let's see how they do against Boone this Friday, and evaluate them after that game.
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1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
The biggest problem I have with teams like Winter Park or Lake Wales is stuff like this
https://www.maxpreps.com/fl/winter-park/winter-park-wildcats/football/schedule/
The schedule has a few bright spots of decent opponents but basically even the top half of their schedule lacks the teams that will truly tell me where they stand in the upper half of my rankings
Their schedule is not something that they entirely control. The FHSAA determines what class and district they will play in based upon location and student population. For their other games, they scheduled a perennial Georgia powerhouse as an away game. They have also scheduled non-district games against Lake Brantley, Boone and Ocoee; teams that are not considered "weak sisters".
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6 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
NGDawg is the same person if we talking about the one on Instagram
I don't know NGDawg, but he appears to be a fan that cannot handle his team losing a game. The game was played under wet, rainy conditions and still WP put up 31 points on his team; that's pretty impressive. I understand the fan's disappointment, but that doesn't take away from what WP accomplished.
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2 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
ATLien12x
Posted yesterday at 09:32 PM
North Gwinnett is not top 10 in 7A this year. I don’t think anyone is trying to take away from Winter Park as much as just being honest. Currently ranked in the top 10 is Buford, Grayson, Colquitt, Mill Creek, North Cobb, Walton, Carrollton, Collins Hill, Parkview, and Westlake. I’m very confident all of those teams would beat NG this season. And there’s probably a lot more. An 0-3 Archer squad that’s been blown out twice this season was a missed field goal as time expired from beating NG. North’s other win is over 1-2 McEachern.
NgDawg
Posted Sunday at 12:58 PM
That was a terrible game, one of the worst I've seen in person. Winter Park didn't look all that impressive, and North Gwinnett repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. Terrible playcalling on both sides for both teams, game came down to a fumble
Both of whom have seen North Gwinnett play prior to Winter Park game but sure you got all the answers
That was a terrible game, one of the worst I've seen in person. Winter Park didn't look all that impressive, and North Gwinnett repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. Terrible playcalling on both sides for both teams, game came down to a fumble.
You appear to be quoting one (1) NG fan that was disappointed that their team was beaten by WP. The score was 31-13 with minutes to go in the game when WP lost a fumble inside their 10 yard line. NG scored after that fumble to close the score to 31-19. That's not "the game came down to a fumble". If WP scored 31 points , the play calling on WP's part could not have been terrible. It's just possible that WP had something to do with "NG shooting itself in the foot". WP travelled to play a perennial powerhouse in North Atlanta and came home with a big victory. Why can't you just accept that? And, by the way, I didn't rank NG #12 in Georgia, the people in Georgia HS football did that. If their previous opponents were so terrible, why did the experts in Georgia have them at #12?
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3 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I'm basing it on what I say said by their own fanbase so I'm guessing you saw them in person more than North Gwinnett own fans have?
Before you make assumptions about why I say what I say about teams do your research!
Before you make assumptions about why I say what I say about teams do your research!
Now that I got your panties in a wad and you're being all defensive for not doing research before hitting the keys on your computer, I did speak with WP fans that attended the game at NG. They spoke how confident NG and its fans were that they would bury WP. The NG fans made no excuses for their loss and were confident their team would play well the rest of their season. Their coach said they didn't play well, but that was because they were outplayed by WP. I believe that's a bit more research than you pulled out of your bu__.
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On 9/5/2022 at 3:15 PM, DarterBlue2 said:
I would be surprised if Edgewater does not beat West Orange by a similar margin to the Don Bosco game. Too many weapons on both sides of the ball.
Edgewater has Cedric Baxter; 6'2", 210 lbs; possibly the best RB in the country. I have a lot of respect for West Orange, but Baxter is almost unstoppable and will carry Edgewater to victory.
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26 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
MaxPreps uses the same formula of calpreps that had Madison County over Dillard
I'm not sure I would use that as the all in be all
Plus it's likely that it's just accounting for how high North Gwinnett is (Came into the game #12 in GA) so they probably are overcompensating for how they overranked North Gwinnett and decided to apply it to Winter Park
I can see why you're not "Thrilled" with Max Preps:
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1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
MaxPreps uses the same formula of calpreps that had Madison County over Dillard
I'm not sure I would use that as the all in be all
Plus it's likely that it's just accounting for how high North Gwinnett is (Came into the game #12 in GA) so they probably are overcompensating for how they overranked North Gwinnett and decided to apply it to Winter Park
So, how often have you seen North Gwinnett play this year that you can determine that they are "over rated"? They came in 2-0 and were playing at home in front of a large home crowd. And, have you seen WP play this year or even looked at the players on their roster to determine that they are not deserving of a #25 ranking in Florida? Before you judge a team, at least see them play or review films of their games before making unqualified assumptions.
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6 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
It just shows how much better Florida is than GA
Winter Park isn't even a top 50 team in Florida and beat a team ranked top 15 in GA in their own backyard
FL>>>>>>GA
Max Preps has Winter Park ranked at #25 in Florida this week after their win at North Gwinnett.
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On 9/4/2022 at 3:40 PM, nolebull813 said:
Only thing next for them to do it play a top Georgia team. Lol
Winter Park travelled to the Atlanta area last week (9/2) to play North Gwinnett HS (ranked #12 in Georgia at the time) and returned home to WP with a 31-19 victory. Keep an eye on the Wildcats.
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On 8/12/2022 at 9:57 PM, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
Though I usually agree with mostly everything you say, have to disagree on the last one. I think Osceola will do just enough to sneak away with a win over Apopka. Very good game, though!
I have to agree on Osceola over Apopka in the KOC. If this was played later in the season, I would go with Apopka. They always seem to get better as the season goes on. They have a great feeder system from their youth program on up to HS.
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On 7/8/2022 at 12:35 PM, skyway said:
There are actually a lot of those kids! It's just that there are no people on messages boards who know their names or talk about them, because they don't play football. (Some of the private schools really do offer a vastly better educational experience than the public school kids are zoned for.)
You missed my point. I was speaking of the football players on the list. How many of those football players transferred to other schools because they could improve their academics rather than looking for a better football team? I mainly follow schools in the Orlando / Central Florida area, and the QB musical chairs have reached ridiculous proportions. Have any of these kids even considered that maybe they were part of the reason that their current team wasn't reaching expectations, or that maybe every kid playing QB in HS isn't a D1 prospect; only a small percentage are.
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6 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
But your putting in more effort on a school getting 1 than the ones getting 20
And to say it's the same is laughable and also laughable is this "local" school districts
There is no borders by the rules of the state, Columbia high school has never operated at capacity so there are open seats and kids can be accepted at any point
"But your putting in more effort on a school getting 1 than the ones getting 20"
I only commented on this instance because the kid posted a farewell message to his former teammates that appears to be self-serving at best. He "bailed" on his current team. If he did it on his own accord, he broke no rules. If Columbia recruited him, ..........
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6 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Again he would have been a Columbia High School kid 15-20 years ago
What part of that do you not understand, the dumbest decision this county ever made was splitting Columbia County into 2 high schools as it made it impossible for Columbia to ever have the full support of the county anymore
I don't see any kid that would be at Fort White as a kid that isn't ours to begin with, it's just correcting a screw up by the county in the first place
And you keep saying local, HE IS LOCAL, HE ALWAYS WAS
He was a Fort White kid who only went to Hawthorne because his dad was hired as a coach last year
I don't see you bashing with any effort towards the teams getting 20 transfers a year but we get 1 good kid and suddenly Columbia recruiting? It's hilarious how many of the board are complete hypocrites
"What part of that do you not understand, the dumbest decision this county ever made was splitting Columbia County into 2 high schools as it made it impossible for Columbia to ever have the full support of the county anymore"
The population of the State of Florida grows each year. Counties make decisions to form new school districts and build new schools to support that population growth. Kids are zoned to their new "local" school districts. Preserving the state ranking of your football team is not supposed to be a consideration in the formation of the newly formed districts. This happens all across the State and sometimes current students are allowed to stay at their current high school as to not disrupt their education and allow them to graduate with their class. I don't think they make a provision for the recruitment of football players. Recruiting one player or twenty players is still recruiting; that shouldn't be hard to understand.
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13 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
If that was the case the same could be said of Hawthorne hiring his dad or Fort White hiring his dad
And as for Columbia QB situation last year it was a mess, we had 3-4 different starters because one would either struggle or get injured and like I said 15-20 years ago he would have been at Columbia anyway
But sure Columbia recruited him, we got to keep up with teams in our district recruiting from a county much larger than us whether it's Duval county last year or Clay County this year
Columbia can and will play by any game we have to, people make the rules and we will adjust and keep winning because that's what winning programs do
They change and adapt, we ain't a flash in the pan like Riverside who has to recruit to survive and now that their recruiter coach stepped down they falling apart, Columbia has won district and playoff games in every system the FHSAA has used for the past 5 decades
"But sure Columbia recruited him, we got to keep up with teams in our district recruiting from a county much larger than us whether it's Duval county last year or Clay County this year "
What message does that send to the local kids on the team; those that are zoned to Columbia's school district, been loyal to Columbia HS, and have waited their turn for a shot at a starting position? Winning is more important than supporting local athletes? That's a "great message" that you're sending local kids.
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7 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
The reality is that had Coach Jackson ended up at Columbia about a month or 2 earlier than he did, Jefferson would had likely been at Columbia last year based on people I've spoken to about this situation
By the time he got the job, his dad was already at Hawthorne with a coaching position so he went to Hawthorne
"The reality is that had Coach Jackson ended up at Columbia about a month or 2 earlier than he did, Jefferson would had likely been at Columbia last year based on people I've spoken to about this situation"
Without researching Columbia's recent QB situation, I'm guessing that this past season's starting QB is graduating and this kid is expected to be their new starting QB for the upcoming season. If that's the case, it smells of recruiting and maybe a position for his Dad was part of the enticement. It also stinks for the QB that waited for his turn and would have been moving up to the starting position in the next season.
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19 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
His family lives in High Springs which is probably 20-25 minutes from Columbia High so similar distance to what he was doing at Hawthorne and a little more than Fort White but both schools his dad was coaching at
Idk if his dad ends up coaching at Columbia now as I haven't seen anything to suggest it yet but who knows, he did play under Coach Jackson for 2 years at Fort White before going to Hawthorne last year before Jackson was hired by Columbia and his dad I believe graduated from Columbia in the 90s so if anything he could have easily ended up being a 4 year Columbia player if one or two things had been different a couple of years ago
"he could have easily ended up being a 4 year Columbia player if one or two things had been different a couple of years ago".
If he was following his father's coaching positions, the school changes would make sense, especially in a rural area, because his Dad would be his transportation to and from school. If he was bouncing between schools looking for a better team, I would be concerned in recruiting him if I were a college coach. The college transfer portal makes it too easy for disgruntled or opportunistic players to jump ship and leave a program. Changes in residency requirements for high schoolers has disrupted many high school football teams here in the Orlando area.
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24 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
The former Fort White QB and QB at Hawthorne last year is now at Columbia for his senior year
A lot of flowery words of thanks and praise for his former teammates at Hawthorne. Did his family actually move to Columbia HS district or did he "bail" on his former teammates? Nice "touch" with the hearts.
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5 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
In a way if used correctly it can help improve a QB's ability to read coverage schemes, work on timing of routes and ability to work through their progressions more efficiently to the right reads.
It's a different world when you have 5 OL's and 4 DL's, with large bodies, going at it right in front of the QB. In 7v7, the QB usually has a clear, unobstructed view of the field. and he has four seconds to get rid of the ball. A Pro Style QB under 6 foot tall can be very successful in 7v7 because he can see the whole field. There's a reason why most of the top HS QB's are 6'3" or taller and dual threat; they have a better view of the entire field and can find their receivers over the middle.
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Boone is actually ranked higher in Central Florida than WP, #5 as compared to #7. Apparently the Sports folks at the Orlando Sentinel think Boone is pretty good, so a WP victory over them would be considered a good victory. As best I have heard, these schools do not heavily recruit players away from other schools like many of your so-called "elite" teams in the state of Florida. I guess it's easier to be elite if you pilfer talent rather than take the time or effort to develop a kid. But, sometimes the real "elite" kid is the one that stands by those that developed his skills and his character.