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3 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
I'm going on 81. When I went to school for the most part everybody was well educated equally. The schools were disciplined and the parents backed the schools 100%. The teachers were qualified and dedicated. They usually stayed at one school their entire career. If any student failed a subject they were mocked by the other students until they came up to par. It was an embarrassment to get a failing mark in any subject. These days, not only are the schools not teaching effectively there is absolutely no discipline and the parents, if you can find them, could care less. I know first hand that most minority students are not being educated in the public school systems. I'm sorry to say this but they are not being taught any of the basic subjects so that they can effectively matriculate in society. The reasoning behind doing poorly in high school and college, if they are lucky enough to get in, is that they are not being forced to learn in elementary schools. Without strong elementary learning there is little chance of success in high school and further on. I feel so damn bad and am angry as can be that the school system is failing many students to include a great deal of minority students. This is probably why I am so adamant that students concentrate on academics instead of primarily football. Academics is the only real key to success. The more academics the better the success. And, I am including skilled trades as academics.
I'm a fossil too; I'll be 77 in November. My experiences regarding education were similar to yours, and if you went to public school, there was no such thing as transferring for athletics. You went to the public HS for which you were zoned or you attended a private high school. Sports were a part of high school, but they weren't the end all that we now see at so many schools. I want every kid to succeed in life and education is a major component in that success. Even NFL superstars need a quality education.
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17 minutes ago, Perspective said:
HornetFan, what can you tell me about West Oaks? They don't appear to be members of the FHSAA (but if they are, they may be Independent). MaxPreps lists them in the "freelance" classification. They're currently scheduled to play "Young Kids in Motion," Orangewood Christian, Zarephath Academy and Orlando Chirstian Prep. Oh, and Chiefland.
I'm thinking this might be a bit of a culture shock from a kid who was the starting QB on an 8A team.
I think his shock came at Dr Phillips when it became apparent that he would more than likely lose his starting QB position. Going from an 8A traditional power to a glorified Pop Warner team surprises me too. He is transferring late and this may have been what he and his parents perceived as his best opportunity to play his senior year. The move allows him to stay in Orlando and probably put up some big numbers, but it doesn't enhance his D1 prospects. To his credit, he wants to play and as a senior, this is probably his last chance.
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10 minutes ago, skyway said:
Of course, the equity monsters don't want the kids to have to meet any objective standards in getting this education. All such standards have been deemed as "white supremacist".
I wish politicians would stop throwing the race card into every issue and let's concentrate on what is best for the kids' future. We need to educate and encourage all kids, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, etc, to be the best they can. And that's not just the best athlete. We need well rounded kids coming out of our high schools and colleges so they will be well prepared for what they will face in life over the next 40 years.
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1 minute ago, Perspective said:
HornetFan, what can you tell me about West Orange? They don't appear to be members of the FHSAA (but if they are, they may be Independent). MaxPreps lists them in the "freelance" classification. They're currently scheduled to play "Young Kids in Motion," Orangewood Christian, Zarephath Academy and Orlando Chirstian Prep. Oh, and Chiefland.
I'm thinking this might be a bit of a culture shock from a kid who was the starting QB on an 8A team.
I think you mean West Oaks, not West Orange. West Oaks is a small private school in Orlando. They play a schedule against similar small teams and as best I know, they are an independent. They already have a QB, but he hasn't seen the level of competition that Patti has at Dr Phillips. This is probably a good move for Patti because he should be able to excel at this level.
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5 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
Thank you, Ray, for the heads up. I need to adjust some figures that you provided in order to reach a totally realist figure.
Let's focus on football. There are 1,093,234 high school football players in the United States, and 6.5% of those high school players (or 71,060) will play in college. The drop off from college to the pros is even more dramatic: only 1.2% college-level players will get drafted to the NFL.
So, the actual percentage of high school players that make it to the NFL is 1.2% of 71,060 players or 853. That percentage is .007% of all high school football players that make it to the NFL. When you figure there are only on average 279 players drafted into the NFL each season the chances of a high school player making the NFL is a lot lower than chances of being hit by lighting once in your lifetime. In other words your chances are somewhere between zero and not at all. A high school student, if applying themselves and doing well in high school academically, can go on to attain a college degree in any one of a million different areas of specialization. Upon graduation one is basically set for life simply by applying your knowledge and being dedicated. Football as a profession is basically an unattainable goal for all those but the very very few.
Just adding to your post. The kid that succeeds academically has the power to change the future for his/her family for generations.
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28 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Even at the pro level, Vince Lombardi was preparing his players for life out of football and history confirms that. So you are missing the point Proseteye is making that striving to pursue your dreams thru any sport and not education is a recipe for failure. Only 1.6% of high school players make it to the NFL and when your entire focus is on that dream, then what? We want these kids to do better, especially those that are disadvantaged. They deserve better, not being a hero for some coach on Friday night to end up under prepared for what life will send his way.
We want these kids to do better, especially those that are disadvantaged.
Your comment is spot on. The time to get these kids, and especially those that have disadvantages, is in high school. I'm all for kids pursuing their athletic dreams, but it can't be at the expense of their academic education.
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1 hour ago, Proseteye said:
Bringing facts to a conversation is not politics, my friend. Most high school football players will never even attend a college, either one that they play football at or a college they achieve academically at. The few that do attend colleges, primarily to play football, will never make it to the NFL. The very few that do make it to the NFL may play very little or not at all. There is extreme competition for positions and also injuries to consider. Only a small fraction of the college players that make it to the NFL ever have successful careers. The average length of an NFL career is 3.3 years. Add up all of the high school football players in the state of Florida. How many play football at the college level and especially at the D1 level. Then how many of those college players ever see an NFL stadium except from the bleacher seats. As for minorites that rely exclusively on football in high school as their path forward in life are deluding themselves. Without strong academics there will be no solid path forward. I think life itself has taught this.
Well stated. Even the most athletically talented kids are one injury away from an end to their athletic career. Kids from every race and ethnicity have to be encouraged to strive to excel in academics. Even if they are talented and fortunate enough to have a successful career in professional football, a strong academic background will serve them well as they go through life. Our schools should be graduating well rounded students that are capable of being successful in the adult world.
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24 minutes ago, skyway said:
I can get behind some version of this idea. Want to transfer to a school you're not zoned for? Show a minimum G.P.A., or state an interest in a program available at the desired school that's not available at the current school. If both schools offer football, then football can't be the reason for transfer.
Of course, the "equity" monsters would fight it vigorously.
the "equity" monsters would fight it vigorously.
They would definitely fight it, if only for political purposes. What too many people are unwilling to acknowledge is that football will only get "a very talented, and lucky few" security for the rest of their lives. The "life span" in the NFL is somewhere less than 3 years. The kids that don't get lifetime security from an NFL career need an education to fall back on after football.
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4 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
Just once I would like to see a couple of these kids say that they are transferring to another school due to the other school having a better academic rating with the fans praising them for declaring it. Something that was the main intention behind the legislature passing the transfer ruling.
"Just once I would like to see a couple of these kids say that they are transferring to another school due to the other school having a better academic rating"
I hope that you're not holding your breath waiting for that to happen.
I would love to see the FHSAA put an academic requirement on all transfers wanting to participate in athletics at the new school; say a 3.0 or a 3.5 cumulative GPA verified by the former school, or in lieu of that, a waiver by the previous school allowing the transferring student to play immediately. The only exceptions would be either (1) the student transferring as a result of his/her family physically moving to the new school's zone and the family establishing permanent residency there, (2) transferring from a private high school to his/her new school's zone where the family has established permanent residency, or (3) transferring to a private high school with eligibility based upon meeting the GPA requirement listed above.
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16 hours ago, SubZero said:
The FHSAA is incompetent. That's why.
I'll leave it to others that actually deal with the FHSAA to evaluate their competence. As for schedules, the individual schools should be responsible for posting their updated schedules on their Twitter and Facebook pages if they want to keep their fans informed.
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1 hour ago, FBGUY1989 said:
Northwestern vs Central always the game for me
MaxPreps has that game scheduled for October 1st, not the KOC.
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1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
I made a post about this earlier depending on the matchup that KOC can count, especially in the rankings which can effect your standings and etc come playoff time.
because when you lose or win in the KOC your rankings either go up or down. And down south most teams play their starters well into the second half.
"because when you lose or win in the KOC your rankings either go up or down"
If the KOC was intended to have an effect on a team's ranking, they should be playing the game as a regular season game. Some teams will not risk injury to key players in a game that does not count in the standings; this makes perfect sense, especially if the kid(s) are coming off an injury. Some coaches play the game for what it is; an exhibition game to get the team and also the fans ready for the new season. Also to give as many kids as possible an opportunity to get in the game.
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1 hour ago, Hwy17 said:
Who would rather have an 11 game regular season than a kickoff classic that doesn't count? Seems to me a lot of hype gets put on these games and the tone for the rest of the season is set by them. If they actually counted would it change who you schedule?
I personally would rather have the 11th game instead of the KOC. You already have Spring games and Spring Jamborees that don't count, so do you really need a KOC where coaches can empty the benches and you possibly get a few minutes or maybe a quarter to see your starters play. If the game doesn't count, why risk injury to your starters? Spring is the time for jamborees, play to win in the Fall.
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
I'm not a fan of pre-season rankings -- especially those that try to compare high school teams in different parts of the country. That's why I started out my last post with the words "For what it's worth."
That said, if Dillard takes care of business in the KOC, and then in the regular season, the rankings will take care of themselves.
I'm not a fan of pre-season rankings How can any HS football fan put any credence in preseason rankings, especially with the number of transfers that are drastically altering the talent levels of many of the HS football teams here in Florida?
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1 hour ago, PinellasFB said:
I think 8A is pretty much going to be between the Orlando teams and Dade/Broward county, with Venice added to the mix. I've always wondered why the I-4 corridor is so loaded with crazy talent but Tampa Bay teams seem to drop off significantly. Maybe there are just too many high schools in Pinellas and Hillsborough counties, spreading the talent over too many schools?
I live in the Orlando area now, but lived in Clearwater (Countryside) back in late 80s and early 90s. The high schools in Pinellas County are smaller than the schools here in Orlando. Pinellas has little open space for a large expansion in population and it is one of the older counties as far as age of its population is concerned; that limits the availability of kids for each school. Pinellas had some good teams when I lived there; Lakewood was always strong, Largo and Seminole (Pinellas) also were pretty good back then. I believe Pinellas only has two 8A schools; East Lake and Palm Harbor, the last areas of Pinellas to really develop. Sarasota and Manatee counties had strong teams. The Tampa Bay area plays good football, just in smaller classifications.
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I follow Central Florida HS football, so my opinion will not include other areas of the state where it seems very few schools are settled as for who will be attending what school. In Central Florida, it should be an interesting season in 8A. Seminole (Sanford) is loaded with talent and has depth at almost all the skill positions, including QB where transfer Luke Rucker may not end up being the starting QB; they have a very talented rising sophomore QB. I expect they'll be the best team in Central Florida this year. Apopka always has talented players and they are always very disciplined. I think their biggest question is at QB, where Andrew McClain transferred over from Seminole. Andrew is a better runner than passer, but that shouldn't hinder Apopka with their heavy reliance on the run and short shuttle passes. Apopka may be the 2nd best 8A team in Central Florida. West Orange and Osceola both have very good teams are in the same district with Dr Phillips, a team that should be good, but didn't show it in the Spring Jamboree . In my opinion, other 8A teams to watch in Central Florida will be Winter Park and Boone. Terrance Gibbs, one of the best RB's in the country, will lead WP's ground game; he is a beast running and catching the ball and should be in top form after missing all of last season with a torn ACL. He'll share running the ball with Amaris Shaw, a very talented rising junior RB. Boone has been steadily improving the past two seasons and has a senior QB that can move the ball down the field. It should be a great season of HS football in Central Florida.
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55 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
Can you imagine any coach agreeing to this?
It happens quite frequently with the latest transfer rules that the state legislature enacted. It was done under the guise of improving education opportunities, but was a poorly veiled effort that was actually directed at athletic transfers. That's why it's so gratifying on the rare occasion when the kid who has put in the time at his zoned high school beats out the kid transferring purely for athletic purposes. Can you imagine any coach agreeing to this? Yes, it's being done all too often and the legislation allowing it gives the coaches an out to clear their conscience.
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10 hours ago, skyway said:
Every time I try to look up the classes, districts, brackets etc I get annoyed and give up. haha. Let me know if you figure it out!
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10 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
No again I don't take any issue with the discussion
I took issue with the comment
It sure beats talking about transfers in South Florida and Jax, I don't follow teams from those areas
I took that as you crapping on my thread which was designed to announce and discuss transfers statewide, again no issue with you discussing the transfers whatsoever or the background, in fact I welcome it
Only a bit perplexed by the statement you made
The statement about SF and Jax was made with the intent of inserting a little humor into the conversation. I wasn't taking a dump on your thread; just trying to keep some discussions on HS football alive during this very slow period before the Fall season.
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29 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
This thread is about transfers on a statewide level and this is a STATE BOARD not an ORLANDO city board
I bring up the discussion because a lot of people would otherwise be completely unaware and surprised when they see a certain team ranked higher or lower than usual in the state polls and be like "why is team A so high/low"
If you want to have a discussion fine but don't complain about the topic of the thread when you decided to take the Discussion a different direction like I'm holding you back
You can always make a thread for these topics
I believe the name of this topic is "2021 Transfer Thread" and the discussion between Ray Icaza and myself has been around a kid transferring from Lyman HS to Dr Phillips HS. I didn't realize that you only intended this thread for the purpose of announcing transfers. I know that earlier in this thread that posters have taken liberties in discussing Lee HS and their propensity for attracting transfers. I thought we were allowed to digress from just the announcements to discuss the ramifications of such transfers. I would hate to think that you took offense to my comment regarding transfers in South Florida and Jax. My sincere apologies.
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23 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Thought because you were senile like me, you were forgetting things you said a week ago and that was understandable. It's worst, you are forgetting things you just wrote tonite.
I actually took the time to review my earlier posts from tonight, couldn't find anything saying he made a mistake leaving Lyman. I did say that he should have done it sooner and that Apopka would have been a better destination than DP.
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4 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Me!
Me too! Can't wait.
2021 Transfer Thread
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Plus the argument is that this 15-18 year old has the RIGHT to make the choice that is best for him. How many in that age group really make good decisions for themselves.
My 18 year old grandson just graduated from his local high school here in Central Florida. He was a starting DE and his team's leader in sacks with 15 this past season. He had the opportunity to play football at several D2 schools and he loves playing football, but he wanted to continue his education at the University of Florida. He said he'll train over the Fall and Winter and try to walk-on next Spring. His attitude is that he would love to play football at UF, but if he doesn't , he'll attend the games and get his undergraduate and law degrees at UF. I couldn't be more proud of his decision.