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If there was a system that moved up the best teams to the next higher class and moved down the worst teams to the next lower class. This would/could promote parity among teams in the playoff structure. You must understand where I am coming from with this. I coach a perennially worst team when it comes to playoffs. Having said that I do see both sides of the coin. We are a 8a /4s school based on student body. Which is how schools are classified in Florida. Is this system fair to all? Absolutely no! But can there be a system that is fair to all? Absolutely no! So how can this be fixed?
1. There could be a system that actually looks at demographics and school history and ability which places schools in districts where they could be competitive. (what i mean is mainstream, shouldn't move a school down if they would be a upper tier school in that classification, nor should they be moved up if they would be a lower tier team) Adjustments could be made looking at subsequent performance.
2. We could move teams up or down a class based on the previous X number of years performance. throwing out one good and one bad year to keep things stable in the calculations. (does this just promote mediocre performance?)
3. keep things as they are, but allow sub par teams to form their own particular bowl game structure (Not playoff) Giving those schools the ability to play for something that is tangible for the teams who cannot compete in the FHSAA playoff structure.
4. Stop school of choice for athletics (require any player who transfers from one school to another without a verified physical move, sit out a year.) This fulfills the states initiative for school of choice but doesn't allow it to promote athletic recruiting.
The overall answer shouldn't be a way to water down who is the best! It shouldn't be give a trophy to everyone who participates. It shouldn't be a way to hand out championship trophies!
These are just some possibilities. All, I am sure have been mentioned before. Coaches will coach, players will play, alumni and parents will continue to complain. Is there a fix? Does it need a fix? This is just some food for thought.
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Power rankings will be out again soon. So looking at the previous it should be Crescent City...Thanks for the clarification.
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6 minutes ago, PinellasFB said:
Atlantic HS is actually 2-1 in the district and 3-6 overall. So there are three 2-1 teams in the district and they have all beaten each other so what is the tie breaker?
Couldn't say personally. I am going by MaxPreps analytics
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This shows the disparity in some of the districts and playoff structure. A 2-8 team is going to win the district ranked 533 in the state as of today. Second place is 4-5 so this is no power house district. But wow!
School Name *W-L *Pct. *PF *PA W-L Pct. PF PA Strk Lake Weir 2-1 0.667 62 71 2-8 0.200 119 342 1 W Crescent City 2-1 0.667 111 65 4-5 0.444 244 250 2 L Atlantic 1-1 0.500 54 43 2-6 0.250 138 210 2 L Taylor 0-2 0.000 24 72 1-7 0.125 57 278 7 L -
2 minutes ago, badbird said:
@Jambun82 I believe this is legal now and you don't have to be under center to spike the ball
it is legal now. I was informed by a referee and he showed me the actual rule. This still, in my opinion should be considered or could be confused as intentional grounding
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13 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Obviously I will be at the OHS vs TOHO game if you can call it that (Tsunami Warning and not in TOHO favor), but the Poinciana game Coach Beek highlighted or even better the Harmony vs Heritage game in St. Cloud will be better.
I am not saying how our game is going to be. I refuse to say anything before we play. We all know what karma is!
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I will say something else about TOHO QB stats. All most all run plays involve a forward toss. That way the play is considered a pass for statistical purposes. Not to belittle the QB and his efforts. Just makes it look like more prolific passing is going on. We also have toss sweeps which are the same way and get counted as passes. But not 90% of our playbook
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2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
I might be in Kissimmee this Friday. If I am I’m gonna have to hit up the Osceola/Toho game.
Poinciana vs Ambassadors christian @phs friday
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This is what I have compiled as a school record
1991 Freshman only HC Brian Lambert (2-4)
1992 JV only HC Brian Lambert (5-3)
1993 1-9 HC Brian Lambert
1994 2-8 HC Don Lambert
1995 4-6 HC Glenn Marsh
1996 5-5 HC Glenn Marsh
1997 1-9 HC Glenn Marsh
1998 1-9 HC Mike Cullison
1999 5-5 HC Mike Cullison
2000 6-5 HC Mike Cullison Wildcard
2001 1-9 HC Joe Anagnostis
2002 0-10 HC Joe Anagnostis
2003 0-10 HC Keith Simmons
2004 1-8 HC Keith Simmons
2005 1-9 HC Keith Simmons
2006 0-10 HC Greg Meyers
2007 1-9 HC David Aubrey
2008 1-9 HC Gene Smith
2009 2-8 HC Gene Smith
2010 0-10 HC Michael Timpson
2011 2-8 HC Corey Fleming
2012 1-8 HC Corey Fleming
2013 1-9 (4-6) HC Jeff Mathis (3 wins forfeited)
2014 1-9 HC Jeff Mathis
2015 0-10 HC Ken Knapczyk
2016 1-9 HC Ken Knapczyk
2017 2-8 HC Ken Knapczyk
2018 2-8 HC Phillip Prior
2019 4-6 HC Randy Beeken2020 3-6 HC Randy Beeken
2021 1-9 HC Randy Beeken
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3 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
By the way Coach Beek, congrats on your win last night vs Lake Buena Vista. From the scoring, it appears it was an exciting game for the fans.
Exciting, Yes...Stressful, Yes!.. Was a game for the ages. My hat is off to LBV they game planned very well for us. They came out in something we had never seen and proceeded to kick our butts on defense all night. This was a back and forth game for the first few scores. by half it was 27-14 poinciana. In the 3rd 1/4 it was 41-14 poinciana. They they scored and proceeded to onside kicking which for reasons we could not cover. A lot of the reasons were on us, but this was probably one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. There were 4 refs and a home school clock operator. With 40 seconds to go LBV scored the touchdown to tie the game 41-41. Our players stepped up and blocked what would have been the game winning extra point. We got the ball back with 35 seconds. Drove down the field only to throw an interception with 8 seconds left. So we go to overtime. We scored first and made a 2 point conversion. They scored on 4th down bur were stopped 1 foot short on their 2 point conversion!
In previous years PHS would have folded with this type of comeback, These kids stepped up when it was most critical and made the plays that they had to.
Edited: Having watched the game film. The missed penalties, granted I was only looking at my side of the game. Were awful. Holding, targeting on a turnover. missed PI. Shotgun snap with a spike (intentional grounding, not called) Almost unbearable to watch. The back judge is watching the linebackers and his back is turned to what is happening in the secondary. No one even watching the receivers. This is an officiating travesty. In my opinion game should not have been played without a full field crew. But even adjustments to the officials positioning should have been made. We were running the play clock on 1 play. No official was keeping track. We burned 40 or more seconds off. the one official looked like he was about to throw a flag, without a countdown. We ran the play ...But still.
I truly wish there was a place for coaches to share films with officiating associations. Not for anything except training officials to see what they missed and might have been watching to make them better officials.
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I am not the one to say a lot when it comes to other teams. Especially when they are in our county. But the circumstances of our JV game Thursday and what happened tonight bring a few things to light. We played TOHO on jv Thursday night. I do not care what anyone from that school says in rebuttal to what I am going to say! Their show of sportsmanship is the absolute worst I have ever seen. They sent numerous players to the jv game who are varsity starters and backups. Dont lie about it!
Their whole intention was to win a JV game at all costs. TOHO shows up with 60+ ish players for a JV game, A lot of those players are wearing Varsity helmets (it is obvious to see which is which) We are playing JV with JV players. We chose to sit most of our 6 quarter kids as well because winning on Friday is what it is all about. Isn't it?
The long and short of it is this. We are loosing the game in the second half. With a running clock. TOHO continues to throw the deep passes with their 6'2 JV receivers! and a varsity caliber QB. (my own speculation, only on jv because of their freshman phenom on varsity. Kids say he was the varsity starter last year) over our 5'2" freshmen corners. They run up the score to 60-14 in a JV game with a running clock since it was 35-0 or maybe 42-7 in the early 3rd 1/4. with less than 2 minutes to go their coach said " put the varsity players back in". He started to and was going to run a 2 minute drill against a JV team down by 46. He had every intention on scoring again! Graciously the officials did not let that happen. They ran the clock out trying to get the ball set!
During the handshake after the game. My JV coach said to the Head coach. " We understand that on varsity you do what you have to do. But this is JV, developmental football. We have no issue with you doing everything you can in the first half. But when the game goes to a running clock. A little respect is expected. After all this is JV." the response was! Your kids are just soft and shouldn't even be playing JV, if you dont like it then stop us!"
We could have sent down 10 players if we really wanted to win a jv game. But how does that develop the younger kids moving forward. So you know my opinion of the coaching staff of toho jv anyway!
I wonder if playing kids 2 full games in 2 days make a difference? 6 quarters? Who tracks that?
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4 minutes ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
I am not discussing this particular moment of time, I am anticipating 2-3 years from now. Progress is progress, no matter the speed. I thought North Port and Poinciana played a few times in the early 2000's?
If they did it would have to be before max preps. We dont have any game by game records before then. Our goal it to eventually move back into the state series once we can be competitive. As long as we are grouped with The current schools in our football district. It will be tough. We have 1 more year on this cycle to decide if we want to be in a district, or we will have to wait another 2 years. We will see what growth we can have between now and then.
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18 minutes ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
Poinciana might be struggling on a state scale, but they are definitely moving in the right direction and with the leadership of Coach Beek, I am sure that they will be contending for the playoffs in their class in 2 or 3 years. Like I said earlier, you don't have to break your back playing state powers like Osceola and Lakeland just because they are local, but there are some schools that may be able to show you how to play better/ what adjustments to make, etc etc. In my opinion, playing a team like Port Charlotte would be a good step in the right direction for Poinciana because it is an improvement over schools such as North Port and Harmony, but they are not so powerful that they would blow you off of the field.
We have yet to play North Port ever. When I scheduled the game. North port was ranked 357 in the state and we were 550. So i was defiantly looking to schedule up. But everyone was a step up from where we were. When I made the schedule only 1 team we had was below us and just barely. Today only 2 teams on that same schedule are above us. And they both beat us.
For what I know Poinciana has never beaten Harmony. Today they are 158 in the state, we are 417 so still a big difference.
Also If we were in a district it would be with Osceola!
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47 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Sorry, maybe I misread what sounded an offer to play Venice (if your schedule allowed) or possibly Manatee or Riverview. If you actually knew where Poinciana ranks currently it would be clear that these suggestions would lead to a game with a running clock in the first half. Who exactly benefits from that?? Playing St. Cloud will present a challenge as that rival will most likely be favored, but Poinciana goes in knowing they have a chance.
2 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:I didn't suggest that they play a team that they have "no chance against." There are teams around Sarasota and Manatee County like Port Charlotte, Estero, Hardee, and Lakewood Ranch that would be good challenges for Poinciana. They are a step above some of the schools they are playing currently and may help them move their program in the right direction; not necessarily be overwhelming.
Actually we are trying currently to play Hardee on October 31'st. We are waiting on their AD to let the head coach know if that can happen. Hardee needs games to become playoff eligible, And we need a game to complete our season. So we will see if that can happen. I have spent most of the last 2 days trying to find a replacement for North Port.
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Update: North Port canceled on us today. We had waited on them to reschedule and had everything worked out to play Monday 24th. Unfortunately they could not get referees.
So, we are looking for an 11th hour game for next Monday. We have a couple of teams that are checking.
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On 10/10/2022 at 7:29 AM, nolebull813 said:
You guys should play Beachside in a bowl game
Think we have the bowl game set.... ST. Cloud!
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4 hours ago, gatorman-uf said:
Please god no. Games are taking too long as it is.
I want better calls sometimes, but I am willing to sacrifice non-perfection for a little bit of fluidity and continuity in the game. The only time that there should be replay is to figure out if they miscounted the downs or a clock issue or a fight. Other than that, play ball!If a referee makes a mistake, you shouldn't have left the game in the hands of the referees to begin with.
Not all teams are so good that they arent a single play away from winning or loosing a game. Close games and poor calls that can decide the game one way or the other will be the issue. I do agree excessive use of replays would ruin the flow of the game. But getting a call wrong and costing a team a game is also not excessive! Having said that we all know replays wont be a part of high school weekly play for many years to come if ever!
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41 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
Then it's a completion. I was just saying thats the only way the ref can claim it to not be one. I honestly feel like the state should consider doing instant replay for certain types of calls/plays. Especially since now most teams have the sideline systems to watch plays back now.
unfortunately we do not have a sideline system. We used to have hudl sideline but it costs too much for us. Mouthpieces and knee pads are more important! LOL
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the other one is. Team A is kicking to team B. Team A runs toward the football, does not kick, but proceeded 5 yards past the ball. so no kick was made. no penalty called. Is this not an offsides?
Disappointing 2022 teams
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As much as I would like too see a option 1 or 2. is this truly a representation on where the best team is? Do we let it play out into January to a overall no class designation state champion?