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Any links to rewatch this game?

nonsense, their defense kept them in the game

100 of those yards came on 2 plays, during a stretch where Armwood's offense went 3 and out like 4 or 5 straight possesions. Any defense would get tired when the offense is going 3 and out every drive NW had 200 yds of offense outside those 2 plays, and sure enough once Armwood's offense finally started to put together some drives with first downs after that 3 and out streak, their defense went right back to shutting down NW's offense Also Armwood's offensive playcalling was way worse imo than NW's

Anyone know of any link to rewatch the Atlantic-DP game?

Not sure how you can say that. Both defenses were dominant all night, nothing came easy for NW offensively last night. As for the officiating, I think we can all agree it was horrendous, however it was horrendous all around with blown/bs calls hurting both teams, certainly didn't hurt NW any more than it did Armwood. Mind you the crazy Atwell touchdown run shouldn't have even counted, it was an illegal formation but the refs missed it. Anyways, even despite the bad officiating, still a great game. I love watching two great defenses going blow for blow with each other. Too bad both those teams graduate alot of talent, I'd love to see a rematch next year. Hopefully they can reload nicely Great to see the West offically back as state champs again as well!

There was no hidden agenda here. Why start 10 years ago? ...nice round number. I actually spoke of Armwood's excellent 2004 team in another post related to this topic. But why stop at 2004? Let's go back even further in the decade, when Armwood visited the Muck in the 2000 state semis and beaten by Glades Central 41-15. No matter how you slice the pie, one can plainly see that Armwood has had a tough time(either losing or winning very tight games) with south Florida teams. That's probably not a big surprise for most. And why did I "conveniently" leave out 2010 and 2011 and "disingenuously" list Armwood's "loss" to the Nevada team? I was simply going by the record books, nothing more and nothing less. I am not that familiar with all of the circumstances surrounding the forfeiture of those games. I wasn't willing to assume that five ineligible players on a team had absolutely no impact on Armwood's performance those seasons, so I did not include those scores. But let's include them now. Armwood beat Dwyer on a last-second field goal in 2010. In 2011, Armwood struggled to win against Central. If their defense had not made a stand in the fourth quarter, they could have lost that game. Armwood won both games against Booker T in 2004 and 2005 with last-second scores, and gave up big points in each. Both of those teams struggled with each other. For me, a struggle is more than just a big loss. So, since 2000, Armwood against south Florida teams (oops, I conveniently picked that date, didn't I): 6 losses (5 of 20 points or more and all 14 points or more) 5 wins (3 won in the last seconds of the game, one tough game vs Central, and 1 big win against Booker T in 2003 ) ...judge for yourself. As a side note, those years Armwood beat Booker T, BT and Armwood were in 4A and BT was not playing the better teams in Dade County. There were numerous teams in Dade arguably as good or better. On paper, I had the Armwood teams in 04 and 05 as solid favorites. And when you looked at the teams, Armwood looked much bigger. But BT's speed made it very tough. And now Armwood is facing a school known for its speed. Check out their track history and you''ll see what I mean. And finally, I was speaking of Northwestern, not Naples, when I commented previously that Armwood has likely not faced an opponent that fast and physical. ...fast-look at NW's track dynasty. ....physical-if you have never been to Liberty City, you wouldn't understand. Have a nice evening, all! Armwood was not yet a powerhouse in 2000, they didn't even win their district that year and the state semis was uncharted waters for them. In fact they had never even so much as reached the regional finals prior to that season nor had they ever won their district. Glades Central was in their heyday and an established state and national powerhouse. Therefore it is pretty irrelevant to go back that far. https://bigcountypreps.com/team-history/armwood-hawks/ Armwood has no more a tough time with top South Florida powerhouses as any other team does, including other SFL powers. If they were beating them easily, then SFL wouldn't be elite. 5 ineligible players, of which 1 started (and he wasn't a bluechip stud, he was an FCS kid), none of the some 15-20 FBS recruits they had that year were ruled ineligible. They didn't benefit from anything more than the top Miami squads benefit from every year. And you just nonchalantly ignore that Miami Central also had to forfeit their entire 2011 season because their QB Stock was from Broward. It's ok talking about how success is going to benefit MC, CC, MNW, etc. with transfers from all over Liberty City, Overtown, Miami Gardens, etc. but Armwood gets a transfer from another part of Tampa and omg they're cheaters, any win they had doesn't count. You make it sound as if in the 2011 title game Armwood was lucky to beat MC and escaped by the skin of their teeth. I watched that game, Armwood was clearly the better team and in the drivers seat the entire game. Yes MC had a late comeback attempt that fell short but they never held a lead once that entire game. Again, Armwood had not arrived yet as a program in 2000, so counting that game against heyday Glades Central is disingenuous. The numerous Dade teams better than BTW in 04' and 05' comment is a load of bologna, name them if you think that. This 2017 Armwood team is built on speed, not size. I know about the West's track history, and I have watched players from Liberty City play All that said, I am merely saying that to say Armwood has "struggled" vs SFL teams since they have become a powerhouse is inaccurate. I think our disagreement is simply a matter of semantics as I interpret "struggle with a team or group of teams" to imply that you cannot beat or compete with them, like if they were 1-9 or 2-8 (not 5-5, their record since they became a powerhouse in 2003) Mind you every one of those games were either state semifinals or state championships, so they were getting the last surviving cream of the crop battle tested SFL team in those games, so yeah I wouldn't expect them to be blowing them out, and due to the weaker brackets some years (especially 6A north the last few years) they were able to sneak some of their weaker teams further in the playoffs leading to some blowout losses to those cream of the crop SFL teams.

It seems you are contriving this idea they have historically struggled vs SFL teams in the playoffs by nitpicking facts. Why would you arbitrarily start at 2007? You conveniently left out 2004 and 2005 when Armwood beat BTW (including on the road in 05'). 2007= BTW's second best team in school history 2008= Not a SFL team 2009= Dwyer's best team in school history 2010= W vs. Dwyer you conveniently left out (as I stated in the other post, forfeits are irrelevant in evaluating teams performance) 2011= W vs. Miami Central you conveniently left out 2012= Not a SFL team 2013-15= MC, the only SFL team/years you can say Armwood has truly struggled with 2016= Not a SFL team That's 4-5 vs. SFL elites in the playoffs, not good, not bad, you win some you lose some, about what you'd expect 2-1 vs. BTW 1-1 vs. Dwyer 1-3 vs. MC Also them not having a close game all season is more a testament to them this year than a slight to their schedule as Plant, TBT, and Hillsborough (x2) were all pretty good this year, better then the last few years. And do you really think none of the teams Armwood faced this year "are remotely as fast or physical across the board" as Naples?! That is asinine. Naples is not that good. The 3 aforementioned teams would all easily beat Naples as would Vanguard and St. augustine. The game this year will be close, just like CC-LG last year but higher scoring. And I give the West the edge due to being more battle tested vs. elites and having engaged in close games

They won that game, on the road in vegas, without their 4* RB who is now in the NFL Who cares if they had to forfeit, for the purpose of evaluating their performance over the years it is disingenuous to refer to that as a "loss"

Similarly talented teams but I'm going with the West because they have faced more elite competition and are more battle tested

Eh, Idk if I'd call it a murderer's row. Not quite 6A-16 but definitely better then what people give them credit for. Jefferson is down this year, and Durant is not bad but not particularly any good, just average Hillsborough x2 is good and are quality wins though, definitely far better than those other two TBT and Plant are both among the top teams in Central FL and were soundly beaten by them, indeed very impressive wins.

Wasn't there, but I can't shake the feeling the "bogus" penalty on the return is just you being mad that your team actually did commit a hold on a big play. And if Plant called a TO right before the other TD then why are you complaining? The refs didn't take anything away, Plant called a TO. You even admit refs called penalties on Plant, if they weren't at crucial moments, don't blame the refs, "blame" Plant's coaches for coaching their players better. Also the game was played in Brevard county, not Hillsborough county. If there was any officiating bias it would stand to reason that Viera would be the beneficiary, not Plant. When you first posted this I believed you considering Plant's prestige and the benefits that usually come with being an established name brand. However, after hearing the Plant coaches detailed side of the story compared to your relatively vague account, I gotta side with Plant here and call BS on your Viera was robbed claim

How can you say that? Superstar QBs aside, those 2006-2011 teams were waaayyy more talented than their 2012-present squads Idk, maybe I just haven't been following them closely enough. You're a Plant fan so I guess you would know Eye test wise, those earlier Plant teams just looked like they had way more ballers when you watched them play

I was talking about currently this season. Historically speaking overall, I can't really speak on the 20th century since Ive never watched 99.9% of those games, but from 2000ish-present Id say 1. Dade 2. Broward 3. Palm Beach 4. Hillsborough 5. Duvall 6. Orange 7. Polk 8. Leon Everyone else

Plant of today is a far cry from their elite teams of 2006-2011

This is actually very true, there is little to no good coaching in that county

I would say 1. Dade 2. Broward (even in this down year) 3T. Orange/Hillsborough 4. PB PB is not what it used to be from a teams standpoint, not talent. Hillsborough is better than Brevard and about tied with Orange

You can't make that statement, none of the 407 teams play the top Miami schools Almost all the good OC teams are in 8A, which features none of the top south FL programs, good ones, but not top. So it gives the illusion that they have a number of state level elite programs when in reality they just get to dodge the STA's, MC's, MNW's, etc. of South FL. OC has a lot of good teams, but no elite ones, at least this year (not saying they haven't had any in years past) All the population center counties Dade, Broward, PB, Hillsborough, Orange, Duvall put out elite talent And the Cardinal Gibbons- Jones game was never in doubt. It was 20-7 CG at the end of 1, 30-16 CG at the half, and 40-24 CG after 3. Not necessarily a blowout, but the game was never in doubt. Certainly not a "tough" game, and CG was on the road

LMAO

I'd bet on it

Dalvin Cook was the best high school RB I have ever watched play in my humble opinion

Using last year as a gauge of Riverview is disingenuous, they are a vastly improved team and playing a far tougher schedule. To give you some perspective of their improvement, here are the scores of their games vs their district opponents this year vs last year 2017 2016 Alonso W 44-0 W 49-20 Palm Harbor U. W 47-7 L 27-38 Steinbrenner W 61-0 W 20-19 Newsome W 57-3 W 41-0 Manatee W 42-14 W 37-33 Riverview W 41-0 W 30-6 They play in one of the weaker districts in the Tampa Bay area, and last year they didn't play a single decent non-district opponent, however this year they added Venice, Braden River, and Palmetto to the schedule, and now Vero Beach on the road, so they are far more tested this year heading into their DP matchup

Totally agree with all of this I thought they'd take a step back this year with the slip in talent level from the last few years but they have not missed a beat

I have friends who still have family there. Haiti just can't catch a break, the earthquake 6 years ago now this, they always seem to get the worst despite being the country least prepared to handle it Keep the haitian people in your thoughts everyone

should ask that to the central FL boys, specifically the space coasters