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Jambun, I had to laugh when I read the phrase that the team who got penalized for the PF "must have voiced some sort of objection."  
So, with that in mind, and recognizing that all officials have different tolerance levels, what's the general rule of thumb for when words and/or actions rise to the level of a personal foul?   Clearly, coaches voice their displeasure with calls (and non-calls) all the time without triggering a PF.  What's the trigger?   Curse words?  Volume level?  Continuing beyond a certain point (i.e., after the official looks over and says "that's enough, Coach")? 
Do you/officials tend to give a coach a little more leeway if you/they start having reservations about the call in dispute?
Last, and looking at it from the other side of the issue, what's the most effective way a coach can communicate to an official that he 'respectfully disagrees' with the call that just got made/missed? 
 

Turned out to be an extremely even matchup with talent on both sides.  The Edgewater QB is the returning starter from last year and gave them a spark running the ball which I don't think we expected.  He has a good arm and talented receivers, but not a lot of time to throw and operating against an extremely talented OHS secondary so sledding was tough for them thru the air.  They had some success on the ground working the edges as one of our 4* DE was held out with an injury.  They have a couple excellent backs to compliment CJ Baxter, so found more productivity on the ground than I thought they would.  Our LB core have not jelled yet, but should be better prepared after competing with talent like Edgewater has.  On offense we had mixed success on the ground and relied on our inexperienced sophomore QB to make plays with his arm, which he did an excellent job throughout the game.   Trailing 22-19 with under 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter, he engineered an 80 yard drive and hit about a 35 yard pass with 40 seconds remaining to re-take the lead 26-22.  They were unable to muster any offense in the final 40 seconds and the clock ran out with us in the lead.  Penalties weren't a major factor for either team and ball security was perfect by both sides with neither team losing a fumble or a pick, although we probably should have gotten a couple of interceptions.  Looking at each team's roster, both will be a handful for anyone.  Great game for the fans with Osceola leading early, then falling behind and then retaking the lead.   As always, it is just a Spring Game and the way it was conducted both coaches probably got out of it what they wanted.  Good luck to Edgewater going forward.  GO KOWBOYS!!

Sure. Summer recruiting classes can change things. So can off-season player development; position and scheme switches etc. If Venice's fall roster includes several big-time players that didn't play last night, they might could become competitive with Lakeland in the "suburban" playoffs. Should be interesting to gather details on who, if anyone, was missing or hurt from both teams last night. 

Sure. Summer recruiting classes can change things. So can off-season player development; position and scheme switches etc. If Venice's fall roster includes several big-time players that didn't play last night, they might could become competitive with Lakeland in the "suburban" playoffs. Should be interesting to gather details on who, if anyone, was missing or hurt from both teams last night. 

Sure. Summer recruiting classes can change things. So can off-season player development; position and scheme switches etc. If Venice's fall roster includes several big-time players that didn't play last night, they might could become competitive with Lakeland in the "suburban" playoffs. Should be interesting to gather details on who, if anyone, was missing or hurt from both teams last night. 

Credit to Lakeland tonight: they dominated in every phase of the game. I’m sorry I couldn’t be there; I have some family In town right now or else we could have met before the game.
I hope this isn’t a precursor of the regular season, as Venice’s offensive line seemed really spotty. On some plays they looked like the o-line of last year, but most of the time it looked like they were blocking thin air. Bentley had almost no time to throw. Defense looked ok at points, they had a few plays where they got good pressure and I think they even registered a sack. But overall it was the pitiful offense that doomed them to lose this game. They need to sort out the issues with the offensive line quickly, or else they could be in for a 3-7 season with the kind of teams scheduled to play. 
With that being said, I can’t wait for the season to begin. I know they will get the issues sorted out and a least be in the mix for another run in 2022. But it’s going to be very tough to get back to the big dance with you guys, Osceola, Riverview, and LG in the way. I am hopeful that they can repeat but realistic as right now, the odds do not appear good for another magical run. However, Father Time has yet to tell a lie and we will have to wait and see how everything shakes out. 
Go Indians! 

One of the things that makes high school football interesting is the way in which tactical advantages and disparities in efficiency in execution- things like "hidden yards"- play a role in the outcome of games. Venice has always been a master in these areas since Peacock has been there. In some combination of credit to Venice, criticism of Lakeland, or an indictment of the officiating, a true miracle happened at Bryant Stadium tonight. Venice lost to Lakeland by a final score of 31- 24. That that was the final margin-given what anyone who viewed the game observed, is hilarious. This was a running clock match up. It should have never been merely 31-7 in the 4th. Yet, it was. And then Venice "back-doored" their way to the final margin. There will be people who didn't watch the game who will assume it was kind of a close game. LOL. Credit to  horrifically outmanned Venice team that found a way to make the final margin of defeat seven points.

I think he's already enrolled at Venice.  Maybe Venice got the kid a better NIL deal.  

I guess OU is a big "EQUITY" believer as if they pay every player the same, how will the 4* and 5* feel when they could get $250,000 plus while some of their teammates are worth under $10K?  All sorts of dynamics that were not contemplated when they launched this disaster.  

I am in agreement that the coaching staff or boosters at a school is not usually making "DIRECT" contact with a desired player from another school, but rather their players or outside family/friends.  Reality is it doesn't always produce the results they are led to believe regarding better recruitment than at the school they left unless it is a really lousy program.  Case in point since Venice is in the thread, Ryan Browne QB class of 2022; left an excellent program to go to another excellent program but the net results if my info is correct:  ONE total offer, Western Michigan.   His team did win a state championship and he obviously was a factor in that but he hasn't been showered with offers.  A consideration that is being overlooked is unless you are already an upper 3*, but better yet a 4* or 5* the transfer portal especially for QB's is going to negate opportunities for these types of players.  

Are there rules now? 
I'm only half-kidding. I think something hard to grasp for more "old school" folks is this idea of a "brand". It seems sick and twisted for 16 year-old kids to be seriously thinking about their "brand", or image. But, they are doing exactly that. Marketability is not just something some of you may consider as professionals. It's something high school kids consider as well. There are numerous ways for kids to make themselves more marketable. Some are pretty simple and silly, like growing really long hair, or playing with one really long sock and one short sock. Some involve changing teams, so as to engineer the most marketable set of dynamics. If a QB in rural eastern Polk county, or even another state like Arizona, is playing for a mediocre team and not receiving much/any interest from recruiters, moving to play with other star players (especially WRs) may ignite exponentially more attention and marketability for themselves. (What I reference above is the likely starting QBs for Lakeland and Lake Gibson, respectively.)
NONE of the above has to involve, or even likely involves, any staff member or booster for any school doing anything whatsoever. It's all the kids thinking about what's best for them, and talking to other kids.  Every kid has a cell phone, with access to the internet and social media. And, kids tend to hit the fields for informal, "pick-up" games whenever they please. And they don't keep the games to only players from one school. 
What's really concerning is where this is headed if it's not reined in.  it shouldn't be hard to consider some of the possibilities given the fact that we now have juniors in high school with nationally renown websites placing six-figure values next to their names. And I see current sophomores also with six-figure valuations.
 

Most of the NIL money is coming from groups of well healed boosters at the Power Five schools and not a local car dealer getting a local kid to promote their product for payment.  What you describe is clearly against the rules, but like in 2011 here in Florida when there is no enforcement/penalty the flood gates opened up.  With no enforcement at the college level, it will be the same with HS kids.  What good are rules without any enforcement?

I really think this will ruin HS football just as it has ruined the college game.  There will be a handful of teams with all the best players in the state and everyone else will not even bother fielding a team.  One thing not considered is the impact on the kids who just want to play HS ball and are not college football material (which is 99% of the players).  I am watching my son's team get poached of its best players and the kids left behind are devastated.  Our two returning team captains were cherry picked off the team that was already going to be young and rebuilding next year.  Now nobody feels like even bothering to show up.  I really want to tell the coach to go independent for a year while they rebuild but I'm sure he's aware of his options at this point.  My heart breaks for these kids that are putting in so much work just to see key pieces yanked from the team.

Top college coaches are already having second thoughts about this development and will probably adjust with some loyalty requirements going forward as it is spinning out of control.  

Multiple college recruiters have been at spring practices every day I've been there thus far, not checking up on just the 2 DL guys, but on a couple of our DB's and some offensive players also.  It really is unbelievable, but I think social media drives alot of it.

I commented on this very issue last year when the top QB recruit (Quinn Ewers) skipped his HS senior year and went to Ohio State to collect the NIL cash.  Then turned around this year and transferred back to Texas, what a sick state of affairs.

We all know NIL is rapidly changing college sports and recruiting. It is now severely impacting high school football as well. ON3, a fairly new but probably the top recruiting site now, given they have many of the biggest names in the game now working for them, now shows the top players' NIL value. The top handful of juniors (class of 2023) have values over $200,000. Kissimmee Osceola has two DLs worth over 100k each. Venice has a couple defenders worth over 100k. You get the idea. If you thought transferring was out of control before, wait (if any wait is needed now) until guys start transferring to secure NIL deals worth thousands of dollars! 
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Snake, you had to go there.......Exactly one week before, in your house, my Mainland Bucs were down 29-24 in the 4th quarter with Lakeland facing 3rd down on their own 44 yrd line (2:51 on clock) when Chris Rainey ripped off a Daytona heartbreaker ( his 3rd TD ) and scored from 56 yrds out. Chris finished with 334 yrds rushing ). The game was sloppy at times, but athletes were all over the field. It was the Brighthouse (Cable) game of the week....if interested game below. Both teams are 13-0. 
 
 

It never should have been a tied ball game; Lakeland got way too complacent up 35-7 and STA saw some daylight and pounced. Overall a boring game marred by Lakeland mistakes that let STA back with a chance to win in overtime. Crazy final sequence in the 4th quarter and overtime for STA to have a chance.

You know what it is.  Another 2006 Lakeland/STA debate, lol.  Personally, I think the game sucked but the finish was dynamic to say the least.  Apparently other news outlets disagree and put together a 16 minute documentary with coach and player perspectives.  You be the judge.  
 

Will Billy be licking the envelopes and placing stamps on them for the recruiting materials they send out to recruit teenagers across the country? If so, perhaps he will deserve some of the credit he will get for winning games.

Fingers crossed there is a stream available!

So you're going to root for Venice after they run back to their bus with their tails tucked!? FAIR COMPROMISE! 

May the best team win!  
But NO.  Dreadnaughts all day!  I'll root for Venice after the game, LOL.

I bet you'll be rooting for Venice when they play on May 19th, RIGHT???