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  2. Hillsborough Title Contenders?

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    58 minutes ago, WindsorCT said:

    it would interesting to see what public schools Jesuit, CDay, CCC, Tampa Cath, etc pluck from.  

    Well, I can tell you for certain that several kids a year that end up playing football at Jesuit and Berkeley live in the Plant district.  Some are difference makers; most would just provide depth. 

  3. Buchholz is now the clear favorite in 4S.

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    1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

    I would consolidate the classes to make the playoffs more competitive. 
     

    I would allow each team to keep the money they earn through fan support. (Minus the dues to operate an association)

    I would create a developmental division for teams that finish a 2 year cycle with a .250 winning percentage or worse. They would have to go independent, play in the developmental league, or go 8-man. For at least the next 2 year cycle.

    I would have the state titles in a rural county for the rural class, suburbs for that class and so on 

    Actually I would consolidate the rural class with 1S. And only have 3 suburban classes and 3 metro classes. 6 total for the state 


    They’re about 500 teams in the FHSAA districts. 500|6 classes equals 83 teams per class. Which equals 5-6 teams for the 16 districts. District winners and runner up makes the playoffs. 
     

    I would allocate money from parking, gate sales and concession to be given to the head coach and assistant coaches to compensate them for their time. 
     

    I would politic the state to recognize sports as a “physical education” class to receive high school credit for, with the hope that the coaches could be payed a teacher salary just for coaching. The pro rate would be relative to the amount of kids typically attend in a PE class, and factor in how many hours coaches spend practicing and game days. 


     

     

    Great start, NoleBull.   Clearly, you're assuming close to 100% participation in your start-up association, but I'm a fan of such optimism.   :D

    What's your stand on recruiting and transfers? 

  4. Buchholz is now the clear favorite in 4S.

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    24 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

    The quote is a somewhat serious question that probably should be it's own thread.
    BUT below is from state statutes
    ""The Florida High School Athletic Association (FHSAA) is designated as a governing nonprofit organization of athletics in Florida public schools. If the FHSAA fails to comply with this section, the commissioner must designate a nonprofit organization to govern athletics with the approval of the State Board of Education. The FHSAA is not a state agency as defined in s. 120.52. The FHSAA is subject to s. 1006.19. . . . .Any high school in this state, including charter schools, virtual schools, and home education cooperatives, may become a member of the FHSAA and participate in the activities of the FHSAA; however, membership in the FHSAA is not mandatory for any school."

    So as I read the first sentence, it says the FHSAA will be "a" governing body of public schools, not the.
    Additionally, the last sentence says "membership in the FHSAA is not mandatory for any school." So in theory, couldn't schools be members of the FHSAA, but choose to remain independent inside the FHSAA, and then turn around and create a different high school sports association. Similar to what the SSAC has done, but do it for the entire state, and thus remove state meddling? Right, the SSAC has no influence from the Board of Education, it has public schools (who are also FHSAA members).

    Probably not what you meant, but couldn't that work as almost a protest against state interference. 

    I'll avoid (at least for now) the temptation to address the political side of such a plan and instead ask this question:  if you were setting up a new high school sports association, how would it be different than the FHSAA?  In other words, what would you change?   (Open question to all).

  5. Hillsborough Title Contenders?

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    2 hours ago, WindsorCT said:

    Exactly…..as you said, that’s how they get a lot of above average teams. And no elite teams anymore.

    For what it's worth, I believe the policy has been in place for the past 15-20 years.  In other words, the policy was in place when Armwood and Plant won all their state titles . . . and perhaps Jefferson, as well.   (Jesuit's a private school and I don't think they are subject to the gate-sharing requirements imposed upon the public schools).  

    I understand the arguments on both sides of the policy and, in general, do not support it.   Interestingly, I think it's the same approach that several of the football conferences use when it comes to TV and/or bowl money.  And even major league baseball teams get an equal share of the national TV money (and have to give up a share of their local TV income as part of MLB's revenue sharing program).  So the Rays and Marlins get the same share as the Yankees and the Dodgers.  The general idea is that all teams need to at least be competitive for the overall product to be successful.  In my humble opinion, there's a pretty good chance that a handful of schools in Hillsborough wouldn't even have football programs today if it weren't for the gate-sharing policy (teams like Leto). 

    There are a number of reasons why Hillsborough County doesn't have a true state championship contender this year, most of which have already been touched on in this thread.  That said, I wouldn't count Jesuit out quite yet, but nor would I put money on Sumner until they show that they have the ability to beat good teams in do-or-die games.  Jesuit is in 3M district 5 (R2), while Armwood and Tampa Bay Tech are both in 3M district 4 (which is in R1), so it's possible, I think, that two teams from the Tampa Bay area could make the Final Four.   But I don't see any of those three teams beating the University of STA with all of it's resources and 1:1 coach to player ratio.  

    Just my two cents. 

  7. Calling all Mathematicians

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    13 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    Yup. And, actually, if Manatee managed to pull the upset, Venice may well not make the playoffs! As it is, Lakeland and Venice are probably looking at a max of one home playoff game. No matter what they do the rest of the way...

    That could be a problem for Venice . . . I don't think they're allowed to play road games.   B)

  8. WEEK 6 PICK THEM!!!!!!!!!

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    NoleBull,

    I'm catching up on my posts and had a thought:  it would be interesting to have a "new" contestant join the Pick Ems for the rest of the season.  That contestant would be . . . (drum roll, please), the FHSAA Power Ranking.  Pick each game solely based on which team has the higher power ranking as of that week.  So, if Hawthorne is playing Miami Central and Hawthorne has the higher power ranking, Hawthorne would get the nod to win.  

    Just a thought. 

    Oh, and no Thursday games this week, right?  So all picks due Friday?  By when?  5:00 or kickoff of first game?

  9. It's official State Championships will be played in Tallahassee.

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    38 minutes ago, Joshua Wilson said:

    You all...

    You all keep complaining....

    One the contracts ran out at Gene Cox and DRV PNK

    Second, I don't believe DRV PNK was interested in renewing and taking on all nine games.

    Third, FHSAA heard a ton of complaints regarding the split weekends. Honestly, going back to one site was needed.

    Fourth, Orlando... my understanding is both sides tried, but it comes down to dollars and what is going to make sense for all involved.

    A lot of you think the FHSAA can just go pull up to any stadium and play at it, and the stadium will be fine with it. It does not work that way. Logistics are a major thing in all of this, and if all the logistics do not line up, would it make sense to play at said stadium?

    And no, I am not a secret member of the FHSAA... I just understand how things work and what the bylaws and policies are without trying to sound off-putting here.

    Josh, I understand what you're saying.   But, there's a flip-side.   If no one complains, the FHSAA may think that their decisions are good ones.  They're not.  I'm not saying that there are easy answers, but this is the biggest decision that the FHSAA has to make year in and year out:  where to play the championship games for the most popular and most-attended sport that they oversee.  And when you look back over the last several years and see how many teams from South Florida play in those championship games, it just doesn't make good sense to ask all of those teams and their cheerleaders and their bands and their fans to travel 8-9 hours. 

    If the FHSAA wants to authorize me to negotiate this issue on their behalf in the future, and I can't do any better, then I'll shut up.  Until then, and respectfully, I'll keep complaining.  

    (By the way, where were the complaints about the split weekend coming from?)

  10. FINAL CHAMINADE 31 MIAMI CENTRAL 28

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    Crazy game.  Neither defense could stop the other team's offense in the first half.  And with one exception, neither team's offense could score in the second half.  And, best I can tell, the same guys that went into the locker rooms at half time came back out in the second half.   Good adjustments by the defensive coaches? 

    In any event, a team that wants to be in the national championship hunt, can't give up 31 points to another team -- any team -- in the first half of a game.  C-M is going to have a hard enough time explaining how they gave up 21 points in the first half.  But clearly Central is a top-tier team, and C-M outscored them by 10 points in the first half, so I suspect the pollsters can live with that. 

    Difference in the game:  C-M made its field goal when it had the chance and Central doinked its FG off the cross-bar when they needed the 3 points the most. 

    Two questions I have, one from reading this thread and one from watching the game:

    1.  Did Central get any transfers over the summer?

    2.  Have any of the guys who played last night committed?

    B)

  12. C-M vs. M-C

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    I'm setting this up as a separate thread, instead of responding in the Week 5 Pick 'Ems Thread, just in case someone wants to continue the conversation after that thread gets locked. 

    If I've got it right, Chaminade and Central square off tonight in what is arguably the Game of the Week for the entire nation.  Two teams ranked nationally in the Top 5.   The game will be broadcast on ESPN2.  Kickoff (or, more likely, coverage is scheduled to begin) at 7:00.  Tough game to pick; arguments can be made for both teams.  Should be a good one.

  14. Calling all Mathematicians

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    2 hours ago, Dr. D said:

    The RPI system used by the FHSAA prior to the current system offered transparency and reproducibility.  One could even calculate "what if" scenarios to see the potential impact of future outcomes.  When the FHSAA tweaked the percentage weighting of the 3 variables (team's record, opponents' records, opponents' opponents' records), it was openly publicized.  I would suspect that the FHSAA's financial/legal relationship with MaxPreps precludes the public release of their algorithm.    

    It would be interesting to see if the FHSAA raised that "defense" in response to a public records request.  

  22. Chaminade Madonna

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    25 minutes ago, Vero Indian said:

    They home grown 

    What does that even mean . . . that the kids currently on the roster grew up and/or live somewhere between Fort Lauderdale and Homestead?  Or that the kids on the roster first attended C-M in 9th grade?  Does that make them "home grown?"  

    In my mind, "home grown" really only applies to public schools and the kids who grew up in a particular area that is zoned for a particular school.   Kids who attend a middle school that feeds into a high school.  Kids who follow this path are home grown.   C-M is a private school.  How big is it's "home?" 

    I'm not trying to pick a fight; but I'm just trying to understand what you mean by "home grown."  Does C-M get a large number of transfers every year?  Or do they do what I believe Tampa Jesuit does:  identifies the talented kids at the time they are in middle school so that they can make sure that when those kids first start 9th grade, they're starting out there.  If they do that, does that make them "home grown?"

  23. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    So, a handful of questions/observations for those who know (or think they know) the answers:

    1.  Based on my time down on the field and up in the pressbox, the clock operator takes his cues/instructions from the game officials down on the field.  In other words, the clock operator starts the clock when he's told and stops the clock when he's told.  It is my understanding that any one of the officials can "stop" the clock (technically, signal to the clock operator to stop the clock) by waving/crossing their arms over their head.  Is this correct?

    2.  Once the clock has been stopped, who signals that the game clock should begin running again?  The referee?  The official who marks the ball ready to play?  I believe the signal is one arm up in the air and then rotating the arm in a circle.  When I watched the ten-minute video of the last 2 minutes of the game, I'm not sure I ever saw any of the officials do this.  I'm not defending the clock operator, but if he's never instructed to start the clock, perhaps it's not his fault that the clock didn't start when it should have?

    3. On/after the second down kneel down play, a flag is thrown.  Apparently, the flag was against STA (presumably, a dead ball personal foul), but I never saw the white hat signal the penalty.  Did I just miss that?  In any event, my understanding is that penalty does not result in an automatic first down. 

    4.  After the officials mark off the penalty against STA, you can see one of the Cocoa coaches say something to the guy holding the down marker (I'm guessing he said something to the effect of "hey, that's an automatic first down"), so the guy holding the down marker switched the down from "3" to "1."   But, just before the play is run, the side judge turns her (I think it is a 'she') head and tells the guy holding the down marker to change it back to third down, which he does just before the ball is snapped.   

    5.  After the second down play, and after the penalty was assessed against STA, shouldn't the clock have been running?  Yeah, I know this is one of Cocoa's main complaints.  Simple question:  after a running play (when the clock would normally continue to run) and after a dead ball penalty against the defense, the clock should stop to enforce the penalty, right?  But, once, the ball is marked ready to play, shouldn't the clock start running again?  Or to be more precise, shouldn't one of the officials on the field signal that the clock should start running again?  If there was confusion on this issue, the officials should have gotten together and discussed it.  The clock was already stopped, so neither team would have been disadvantaged by a quick conference and then re-spotting the ball for play. 

    6.  General observation:  you can never rely on the scoreboard to reflect the correct number of timeouts that a team has left.  I have seen too many people misinterpret a mandatory water break for a timeout and erroneously make the change on the scoreboard.  That said, as a coach, you should absolutely be able to rely upon what an official tells you.  The fact that the scoreboard shows one or more timeouts left is irrelevant, but if a ref tells you that your team or the other team has a certain number of timeouts remaining, you should be able to take that to the bank. 

  24. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    Apparently, someone had one of those TV satellite dish microphones on the sidelines and picked up this conversation between the referee, the side judge and the back judge immediately after the Cocoa punt:

    Ref (looking at the Back Judge):  "OK, whatcha got?"

    Back Judge:  "I got 12 men on the field against the defense."

    Side Judge:   "Well, I was standing over on the Aquinas sideline and I think Number 16 got off the field just before the snap."

    Back Judge:  "Well, I counted 12 guys in blue even if Number 16 got off in time."

    Side Judge:  "I just don't know about that.  Are you sure?"

    Back Judge:  "Um, yeah, I can count to 12."

    Ref:  "Who's signing our checks for this game?" 

    ***crickets***

    Ref picks up the yellow flag and waves off the penalty. 

     

    [The previous account is a work of fiction and any resemblance to any persons or events is purely coincidental.]

  25. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    14 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    @FHSAA 

    Here is your evidence to tell Cocoa sorry 

    https://m.facebook.com/maxpreps/videos/lineman-strips-qb-in-victory-formation-and-wins-game-on-next-play/740977942907947/

    Nolebull, you make a valid point.   The only thing that someone could argue in response is that Cocoa ran the "kneel down" play successfully two more times, so you really don't have to play the "what if" game.   We know what happened. 

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