Ray Icaza
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I understand tradition, ours is either the 3rd, 4th or 5th oldest rivalry in the state depending on who you listen to and as I stated before on this forum it is meaningful to the locals. So yes, I know tradition. Yours the same, but it isn't like days of old anymore due to the imbalance in our talent level when both these games will produce a running clock in the first half. Fans don't have the anticipation of even an upset being possible so it eliminates not the rivalry, but the "HEATED" part. And you are right I don't follow Plantation as I don't have to as others are determining their standings in the state, not me. Same goes for the level you yourself placed on the top ranked teams that you admitted you didn't follow as others have determined their place. Not here to denigrate your rivalry as obviously it is extremely important to you and other locals so that is great. Let's just see how competitive a game it really is. Don't think I will need to be cheering for your team on this one like I will be against STA.
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39 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
He's on a high right now!
Just trying to be a realist as I am rooting for Dillard to take down STA, but these comparisons he is making are non-sensical. He does point out that a lot of scoring took place in some of those games and he referred to those teams, Venice, Cocoa, Treasure Coast and Vero as good to great teams. That is correct, but unfortunately Plantation is nowhere near their level so why bring them into the discussion. Same as the great rivalry we use to have with St. Cloud is reminiscent of the one they had with Ely. Those days are long gone as if Ely didn't squeak by Boyd Anderson by 1 point before being demolished on Friday by Dillard they would end the season 0-10. Big game to look forward to I guess.
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4 minutes ago, A-Town561 said:
Muck bowl is national known brother..... By they way don't yall share the name (soul bowl) with Miami Jackson/Northwestern. Its only one Muck bowl
And it made the cover of Sports Illustrated years ago.
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1 hour ago, gatorman-uf said:
1A should be played in Tallahassee/Gainesville/Lake City as any one of those 3 makes the game centrally located. Glad that it will be in Tallahassee.
2A should be played at a home stadium of one of the teams as they rarely ever get above 1,500.
Unfortunately, home field would be deemed to be an unfair advantage to most regardless of crowd size.
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10 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
Hmmm funny because the broward soul bowl was invented first.
You could be right, still never heard of it.
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30 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
The soul bowl is the same way, documentaries have been done on the soul bowl many times that game there is where legends have been made the soul bowl is nationally known as well not just broward county hype @Jullian you better tell this man lol
Followed football a long time and have seen docs on the Soul Bowl in Dade county and the Muck Bowl, but never from Broward even if it does exist.
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Just now, Ray Icaza said:
21-20
But keep selling.
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2 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
That’s just like Venice vs cocoa both good teams that game ended up 49-51 or suem like that. But both of those teams are still considered good to great right ??
defensively that’s terrible in the eyes of a defensive coordinator, but also in those type of games builds character, poise & grit.
Im not sure how long you’ve followed Dillard but in the past that Deerfield, Miramar & plantation game would’ve been diff results & that STA game would’ve been a blow out.
21-20
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Sounds like a good choice as SFL teams travel well and they could boost ticket revenue since so many of them have a shot in most of those divisions. Located in central Florida, I would rather travel to Fort Lauderdale over a weekend for a championship game than going to Tally as they are equidistant.
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5 hours ago, Jullian said:
Keep forgetting their in region 3!!!! Wow!!!
Agree with Darter that Venice is favored out of this region, but on any given day there are a couple of teams that could upset them. Even though they manhandled Sarasota Riverview Friday, to me they are still a threat in this region. West Orange has had time to get better week to week with the roughly 15 transfers they got this year. Those included their starting QB (Tyler Huff-Orange Park), pair of very good WR (Rocky Rudolph/Asaad Waseem- Wekiva), excellent DE/TE two way player (Eddie Kelly-Jones), top tackler LB (Anthony Joseph-Apopka), top rated DL/LB (Brendan Flakes-Lake Minneola), DL (Max Dulansky-Freedom), etc... They were already a good team and had this level of talent dumped in. Hopefully, you get the picture. Others with good RPI scores as Newsome & Durant I don't know much about so we got to see. And yes, Osceola is a threat if OL can raise their level of play during the next two weeks. They started season very young with only one returner with significant varsity experience, a Junior. Most others where sophomores and thru early injuries, Covid and other issues they have taken this long to coalesce around 7-8 man rotation going forward. They just need to start executing a bit better, eliminate missed assignments and false start penalties. It will improve a good running game we already have and protect the QB with a dangerous passing attack as we have 4-5 excellent receivers that are extremely underrated. Defense is excellent.
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9 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:
So you wouldn't want to run up the scoreboard against your rival school
Once the running clock is initiated (35 point lead), our coach would make wholesale substitutions to let everyone play as the game is clearly in control. We have had that happen numerous times this year and in every case Coach EP has done just that; let the backups have fun, gain experience, reward them for their hard work, etc. If they continue scoring, that is part of the reward; same if they continue to defend. You aren't just going to "Take a Knee" for the remaining 2 or 3 quarters. One is guilty of "Running Up the Score" if you allow starters to simply pad their stats as this simply doesn't help your team in the tight games.
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1 minute ago, Jullian said:
Agree. In region 4 8a, the teams that usually make the noise down here are quietly getting better. Everyone agrees Dillard did well vs STA, Western lost by the same margin on Aquinas field. Deerfield lost their coach after the Dillard game & are slowly getting better. Columbus beat Palmetto this weekend. I think any one of those teams could push Venice. Up north u have Osceola, Seminole, Treasure Coast, & who’s gonna count out Apopka that raises their game in the playoffs. I’m excited about the 8a playoffs.
Osceola and West Orange are both in region 3 (south) which makes getting out of the south my quote from over a month ago "Murders Row". How RPI will play into shipping teams to the north is tough to decipher, but the teams from Region 1 & 2 without that don't face the threats week to week in the playoffs as I think only 2 or 3 have a realistic chance of navigating the challenges.
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1 minute ago, SportsNut25 said:
Western was nine points away from hitting triple digits this season against Taravella.
And that was a varsity contest.
My understanding from an official on this forum, the running clock rule is not mandatory till the second half. It can be initiated with 35 point lead if both coaches agree. Could have been 80-0 at the half with the lead coach not agreeing to the running clock early. In any event, it is a sad state of affairs.
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26 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
He can be, how shall I put this, hyperbolic at times.
As I am a fan of an 8A team other than Venice, I do show a lot of interest when a team keeps the game close or beats Venice. For that gives me hope that they can be beat. But I certainly don't celebrate their loss. For while I am not a Venice fan, I am no hater of their program.
The one time I watched a game there was about five or six years ago when I made the trip to watch them play Braden River for the district championship. I found the place to be a great venue to watch a high school game, and if the commute were shorter, I would likely visit their home field more often.
I realize that I'm new on the forum and don't know the folks on here but joined when I saw someone ask for someone to speak up on OHS behalf to get our team more exposure. Just a fan and that is all I am doing, but I do believe this year 8A is up for grabs for a number of teams with no heavy favorite. Both Venice from the south and Seminole from the north have earned their place in the division. On any given night, there are a handful of teams that can upset the applecart as many have pointed out that we have 15-18 year olds playing the game. It won't be a breeze for anyone as teams will have to negotiate several games that they can lose just to get to the championship.
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On 10/30/2021 at 12:45 PM, DarterBlue2 said:
I favor Venice to win 8A. But I would, frankly, be surprised if they steamrolled the division. I think that at least two of your five (if you make state) playoff games will be very tight.
Time will tell if I am right.
Just wondering myself, who "YOU GUYS" are that threw a party when Venice loss. I did report the loss on this thread, but was interested to get a take on the game from someone that may have watched it. I also reported our team's loss that same weekend and provided my take on the game. Don't recall see any other members of the forum celebrating Venice's loss.
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30 minutes ago, Perspective said:
Just curious, when it came time to pick the wildcard teams, how did they determine whether a 6-3 team from one district was better or worse than a 6-3 team from another district?
This formula seems to have merit as I like the two automatic qualifiers from each district with minimum of 6-7 teams per district. The mathematical formula for RPI is there, so apply it to determine the wildcard teams knowing there will always be dissent from those that get left out. As you rightfully pointed out earlier in this thread, if you can't place first or second in the district then we can live with you pissing and moaning about it. Outliers can always be pointed out, but overall HWY17 idea I like.
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2 minutes ago, Supernatural said:
Gibbons beat Venice and Gainesville Buchholz
Hertiage was beating STA before they QB got hurt (not saying they would have beat STA). And they lost to Trinty because Mark Fletcher and the QB was out.
Plus Western only lost to STA at their place by 10 also; that stat alone doesn't make a team elite. As you clearly are pointing out and I tried to do so over the past several weeks, SOS is what is holding them back. Among the top 30 they have by far the weakest on Max Preps (11.8) vs Western (25.2) with only other loss to Chaminade. I too was pulling for Dillard to upend STA and they fought the good fight. DFB is no longer on the top 50 list, so that has added to the lack of quality wins and STA is not considered an unbeatable monster since they have lost to an unexpected opponents. Just go out in the playoffs and back up the talk, which will then give you the last laugh.
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16 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
If Madison was ranked before the week they would have
There were a lot of factors in the game that led to where they were ranked and the Chiles loss still hurts Madison resume and based on what I saw with both teams if played on a neutral site Columbia would win 70% of the time over Madison which was enough to put them same tier because of their positioning in the rankings but not enough to jump them from unranked while also having them jump some other teams between Madison and Columbia
Your welcome to do your own rankings and put them wherever you like but I do have over 6 years of experience doing these rankings statewide now so I've gotten used to trying to find the right way to evaluate different approaches to rankings until I found a system that seems to work as evidenced by how the top half of the rankings are and how it's very similar to other ranking services give it take a few teams spots
Wouldn't dream of doing my own poll as I readily admit my ignorance to quality of many teams around the state. For that same reason I don't participate in the Pick'Em as that would just confirm that ignorance. Just seems strange when Venice loses with home field advantage that doesn't carry more weight, yet when Columbia lost home field advantage based on your thinking carried alot of weight (70% they would have won otherwise). Have no favorites in this discussion, but it seems like the "RPI" factor is more important than head to head. One can say they have 6 years of experience doing this or one can say 1 years experience repeated 6 times. If that experience had alot of merit I would think it would reflect in your Pick'Em standings at least being in the top 5 against other participants who supposedly don't or at least don't claim to.
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1 minute ago, Jesse said:
Why didn't Columbia drop farther down
Or MadCo jump ahead of them?
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On 10/21/2021 at 9:57 AM, Perspective said:
I know it's too late to add it to the list now, but I would have been curious how pickers would have picked the Berkeley/Isidore Newman game. Newman is the team that Arch Manning plays for and Berkeley is traveling to the Big Easy for that game. Should be a good one. 9:00 EST on ESPNU (I think).
My guess would be that the home team was favored, but it looks like Arch took his lumps against Berkley Prep.
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15 minutes ago, Jullian said:
Yeah definitely sum surprises. Playoffs gonna b better than ever.
Since you are in south FL, which 8A teams do you expect will be the contenders from Region 4?
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4 minutes ago, Jullian said:
Coach DuBuc, even with their wins, said they havent played good this year. Getting Beatdown & truly embarrassed by STA put them in a corner & they came out swinging. The game at 1:30 takes the home field advantage away to a degree. No one but Coach & team believed they could win, & that helped. Venice will rebound & better with Sar Riverview next Fri.
Yeah, that ups the anty with Sarasota Riverview next week and though Venice can certainly be victorious I doubt many now think it is a foregone conclusion. That is always a very well coached team and they look like they have steadily improved each week so look forward to that matchup as well. Lots of other surprises like Merritt Island vs Rockledge, Bolles vs Buchholz, Columbia vs MadCo, etc.. You have to play the game.
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6 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Anyone get to see this game to give their take on the outcome? Seems like Venice was comfortably favored especially playing at home.
Final score of 28-22 indicates a tight game.
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Even in the 70's when we were playing out of the Spurs arena it was not unusual to see crowds in the 4-6K range for games like this or against a good St. Cloud team. Our community has completely changed and I can't recall when we have more than 1-2K at home for these types of games. Many alum have moved out as they don't like the way our county has grown and changed. Demographics with a heavily represented hispanic population, not necessarily football fans, apartment dwellers, etc. don't have a strong connection to that tradition. Not meant to be a complaint, but I'll just label it the Disney Effect. Feeder program for football is the main driver of what success we have had as participation based on school population would never be enough.
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How bout them Bloodhounds!!!
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Bloodhounds are at home, not favored but I think it will be a very competitive game. Playing for a perfect season so lots of motivation with not many if any on this forum have picked them. Pulling for them to get the win.