Ray Icaza
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I brought up DeMario Tolan earlier on this thread as it would be interesting to find out how he landed at DP. The kid grew up in St. Cloud, but played the last 2 years at Toho. His HC at Toho was an OHS graduate and terrific LB that got a full ride at Univ. of Ga. The coach left and the team seems to be suffering as he is starting a new program at a private school. Tolan is a 4 star recruit with some big time offers from the likes of Clemson, LSU, Tennessee, FSU, etc.. If he was transferring , how did he choose DP over say our school in the local district? We do have a 2 year starter returning at one spot and 1 year starter at the other spot, however the 3rd LB was a backup last year. He is young and has talent, but obviously not on the same level as this kid. No doubt we have definite playoff aspirations and he would be an asset. Makes you wonder.
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3 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Told you he was gonna forget.
I told him he was dissing on the kid again because here is his quote. "He's coming from Lyman, a team that won one game playing in 7A last season against a weak schedule; they were blown out in many games". So I am left wondering, how is that a reflection on a individual talent? But yet his comeback is that he isn't dissing on the kid. Go figure.
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12 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
No again I don't take any issue with the discussion
I took issue with the comment
It sure beats talking about transfers in South Florida and Jax, I don't follow teams from those areas
I took that as you crapping on my thread which was designed to announce and discuss transfers statewide, again no issue with you discussing the transfers whatsoever or the background, in fact I welcome it
Only a bit perplexed by the statement you made
Told you he was gonna forget.
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Not that tech savvy, but it sure would give it some pizzazz.
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Columbia, be ready. He is going to tell you he just didn't say that.
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2 minutes ago, HornetFan said:
And to top it off, claim he is not dissing on the kid but ridicule any chance of success because he is transferring from LYMAN
I actually give him a lot of credit for leaving Lyman, but he should have done it sooner, and if it was strictly for football exposure, he had better options than DP.
Thought because you were senile like me, you were forgetting things you said a week ago and that was understandable. It's worst, you are forgetting things you just wrote tonite.
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Now all of a sudden the schedule is not tough, IT IS SMART. Unhuh. Another rambling, incoherent, pulling stats out of your A.. argument. And to top it off, claim he is not dissing on the kid but ridicule any chance of success because he is transferring from LYMAN. God Forbid.
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5 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
If he is, he's probably a prosecutor!
Please.
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Just now, KeemD321 said:
Ray are you a lawyer? Lmao
Just a nutty old man. He makes a statement like WO is favored over us because we didn't look good in 7v7. So I ask him if that is the metric, what big 7v7 tournament has WO won? Crickets, but they have an unstoppable, unguardable 6'5" receiver. Ok, who did they beat? Still waiting for an answer. We lost our second game in that tournament to an excellent Dillard team in OT 12-6. Think for us that don't normally participate in these it was a pretty good showing.
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18 minutes ago, HornetFan said:
based on your Spring Jamboree analysis, didn't WP get clocked by Apopka in one quarter and scored 0 points
I don't think WP got "clocked" by Apopka in the one quarter of varsity play. Apopka won the quarter 14-0, scoring from 15 yards out after a bad snap from center by WP that Apopka recovered on WP's first play from scrimmage. On the only other drive that WP had, they moved the ball from their 20 to the Apopka 15, but failed to score. Then, Apopka had a nice drive that consumed the rest of the quarter and resulted in a TD. Apopka won the quarter, but I don't think they "clocked" WP, unless you mean their one long 85 yard drive that consumed the clock for most of the varsity quarter. The two teams JV played the 2nd quarter to a scoreless draw.
You are still evading your proclamation earlier on how tough a schedule WP has and to point out others that are tougher
I never said WP had an overly "tough" schedule; I did say they have a good schedule and they don't control their district schedule, a district that does include Timber Creek (7-1 last season), and that their non-district schedule was sensible and challenging with Lake Mary (9-2 last season), Boone (6-4), Lake Brantley (5-4-1), Edgewater (7A state finalist last 2 years), Lake Nona (3-2), and Evans (2-4) as their non-district opponents for this season. I think that's a sensible and challenging schedule. They also play West Orange in the KOC. There are a few tougher non-district schedules in Central Florida, but WP's schedule has a good mix of challenging games outside their district.
By implication you did say WP had a tough schedule. On 6/26 you told NoleBull "I am still waiting for you to name a few teams in Orlando with a stronger out of district schedule". I named you five in quick order and you dismissed them with possibly only Apopka. Now you're pretending the scheduler for DP is stupid and the one from WP smart because the first scheduled a tough schedule and the second schedule an easy one. Whoops, I meant a "smart" one. Ridiculous.
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Payton Kirkland big OT, another 4 star athlete that didn't play in the spring game will certainly be a big asset particularly in their run game. Big mistake just writing them off based on a stupid spring game.
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DeMario Tolan from Toho is a 4 star linebacker and might be more impactful for DP than the kid from Lyman. He didn't play in Spring game and they probably have others they pick up that we don't know about. So the kid doesn't have to be Superman as it isn't a one man game and he will have more help than where he came from.
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But based on your Spring Jamboree analysis, didn't WP get clocked by Apopka in one quarter and scored 0 points. You are still evading your proclamation earlier on how tough a schedule WP has and to point out others that are tougher. I thought I did that, but you disagreed based on zero facts. Now you are admitting it without admitting it.
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Wow, another back handed diss at this kid. So sad you have to resort to childish pronouncements. The real question is how would WP fair against that list: Jones, Apopka, WO, Osceola, Cocoa probable losses. You seem to forget your crazy strength of schedule arguments from early and wander into other unrelated analogies that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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We certainly are not discounting them, just like we are not discounting WO. We have a history with DP and wins have always been tough to come by. Just not determining their outlook on one quarter of spring ball each against WP and Apopka. My sense is they will be well prepared when the season kicks off. I don't put much weight on these spring games, just like I don't put much weight on 7v7. I judge our chances by what we have coming back in key roles, not that we beat Edgewater in a spring game this year (only 3 qtrs. as coaches agreed to play reserves/JV in the 1st qtr.) They probably had pieces missing as I know we had 2 or 3 starters that didn't play, including DT John Walker who had 15 sacks last year as a sophomore. Putting to much weight on those outcomes can be deceiving.
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Wouldn't the Patti kid be playing that same schedule? Again, a non sensical argument to make why not to make the switch. Plus now you think DP has a tough schedule when on earlier threads when I made that argument comparing it to WP's you disagreed. Gotta make up your mind one way or the other.
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That has been my point all along, this kid seemed to be the main cog in the offense at Lyman so why would he transfer to DP to play the slot? His family picked up and moved into the DP zone to play for them, to give their son this opportunity. All this other nonsense about his height, or this or that made no sense looking at the facts that we do know. I guess we will know for sure once the season starts.
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Something has to give as the Sentinel reporter even stated that Patti would be more compatible in the slot and after 2 years on the job he really hasn't lived up to the coaches expectations. Would he just put that out there on his own or did he get inside information from the team?
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I said STA AND the nationally ranked programs which are obviously public schools in Dade and Broward counties. Not singling out the one as the only culprit, just that it affected us as a 7A school. I emphasized it happens in both public and private, but those publics in those counties were not in our classification. Point is when any of them get these recruits they tend to be top D1 talent.
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My take on how transfers affect success, be it for public or private schools is a matter of quality, more so than quantity. I agree most good programs, ours included do attract good players from nearby schools as they not only want to play on a winning team but also additional exposure. It usually only involves a player or two but more importantly they are usually a 2 or 3 star recruit that is under the radar at his home school. Whereas STA and those national programs not only get more transfers but they are of higher caliber (4 & 5 star). They already have excellent rosters but they improve their depth so key injuries don't affect their success as it would a school like ours. That is why we were hoping our school would cross the 2600 threshold so we could go against 8A schools where we may have a chance at a state title. We knew after 2 losses in state championships against Aquinas that it wasn't a level playing field and needed to get into a different classification. So I view it as the difference in recruiting success of the Gators vs the Tide. We don't seek out players to transfer in where in my view the schools that are loaded year after year and nationally ranked all do it be it private or public. Most public schools will get the right talent pool once every 10-15 years or so to compete for a championship, so they could only maintain that level of excellence thru recruiting which is illegal.
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Hornet Fan, that is the main thing I celebrate and understand you are also a veteran so just wanted to say I am grateful for your service.
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Hope all members of the forum get to celebrate the independence of the greatest country on earth with their families, friends, all those close to your heart. Football obviously is a great American pastime and your passion to support it and those that toil in that sport shows you are great patriots. Sports like football help mold leaders for our future and that is one of its great gifts. God Bless You All.
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Wrong again. Our school routinely plays backups for experience, reward them for their work, etc.. including the QB's. Last year Mascoe split time with Birchler, the Gators did it with Leak and Tebow, Tebow and Newton, Trask and Jones. They expect the same with Jones and Richardson. Secondly, you posted the Sentinel article which I told you I had read. In the article it clearly states his family moved into the DP zone. All legal and by the book. I am against illegal recruiting, have stated that position on this forum several times. Don't know what your fixation is on this particular transfer that you keep putting the one kid down and defending the other one's right to keep his job. I am not their coach, don't know much about either player, not rooting for one over the other, but I do know it is the coaches decision on who will start. And as I stated before, Coach Wells will probably start the one that gives him the best chance to win. May the best man win. Remember, I am an old timer so I believe in meritocracy regardless of race, religion, family affiliaton or any other reason.
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In our county hands down it was probably Kwamaine "Bubba" Brown running back that gained 2405 yards in 2007 and was selected the 5A player of the year for the state of Florida. He had it all, vision, quickness, balance, power and break away speed. If you look his highlights on YouTube video it will knock your socks off. The was signed by Kansas State and went the JuCo route but never made it out the back end. We lost one of our most important players in the semi-final against Bartram Trail, T' Bell our QB and SS (went to Auburn) but they had no answer for Bubba. We ended up using a LB (Marc Deas-Georgia committ) at QB and all he did was handed off to Bubba. The following week in the state final we faced Aquinas and they knew that was all we had offensively. Bubba had been nicked up (ankle) for a couple of weeks so they stacked the box against him. He still gained 160+ yards in the championship game though we lost by a couple of touchdowns.