FSULOVER
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Cribby before retiring please teach ur qb that spiking the ball and taking a knee are not the same
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12 hours ago, Joshua Wilson said:
The difference between 1989 and 2023 is this: OPEN ENROLLMENT... Yes open enrollment did not exist in 1989. You went to your home school. Hence there is a need to fix classifications now. It is not the same anymore.
But there will always be things about ANY system people think are unfair. Take the 25 years between 1970-1994. Dade and Broward county teams each only won a handful of state titles during those years despite dwarfing most other counties. Despite their size, the class/playoff structure meant that only one team from a county would make a title game. People thought that was unfair. Many very good teams did not even make the playoffs.
Agree that open enrollment is a huge difference. But so is the mindset of people. If im not making the playoffs or winning, there must be something unfair with the system. Open enrollment itself is not the problem. The problem is the coaches and parents who allow kids to move without consequences like waiting a year before I let you play.
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6 hours ago, Hwy17 said:
I was in 10th grade in 1989 and remember that season like it was yesterday. This was our district and records - 8 team district and only the district champ got to go to the playoffs. We had a 4 way tie that was determined by Kansas City tiebreaker.
Hardee 8-2
Desoto 8-2
Okeechobee 8-2
Avon Park 7-3
Sebring 6-4
Lake Wales 4-6
Haines City 2-8
Mulberry 1-9
Avon Park ended up winning the tiebreaker.
That was when winning your district was a big deal.
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3 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
The first year Bolles and Cocoa played in the regular season they were both ranked number 1 in their respective classes 2A and 2B and they both won State titles that season as well. Helping Ray's case. Also the Seasons Cocoa beat TC one season it was a close game last minute score. And again they both were at or near the top of their classes and made deep runs or title runs. Those 2 seasons
Sounds like Cocoa was lucky. I'm sure they wouldn't stand a chance against a private like ST especially if they were playing at Piccolo.
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He retiring so he can work on his new baby accessory line.
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33 minutes ago, Jambun82 said:
"Opinions" are fine and what makes the message board great. When posters to this message board comment on a subject the very few of them no anything about, such as officials and officiating, I choose to challenge and expose them. I like to read and learn from many other posters who are more knowledgeable than I am on many other subjects. I am the most knowledgeable poster on this message board when it comes to the subject of officials and officiating by far.
Well i was a male stripper and know more about exposing than anyone on this board so please leave the exposing stuff up to me.
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51 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Anyone can find outliers to prop up an argument. What you can't deny is "PRIVATES" in metro areas winning about 80% of state titles for over a decade and it has only gotten worse. That stat as opposed to yours tells it all. Given publics probably outnumber privates 3 to 1, no they aren't doing fine.
you missed the point of this thread that everything comes around and everyone has their time in the sun. ST got beat up by several different public schools 2000-2009 and won "only" two titles that decade. They've had a great last 10 years. But nothing stays the same. a certain amount of privates will win titles because of the way the classes are structured. outside the small classes ST and AHP are the only privates one could argue are dominating of late. and if those two schools had to go through the dade powers every year in the playoffs they would have a LOT less titles. they have benefited from favorable class structures.
whats funny is that for years privates made excuses that they could never beat the publics because they did not have black players. only old folk remember the decades that privates like st and nade were routinely beaten by the publics in the playoffs. check your history. back in the day when privates were getting beat they did not bitch that we need our own class so we can win a state title once in a while. they took their beatings against the publics for many years in the playoffs. it is their time in the sun now and i am confident that the juggernaut in broward will eventually break up one day. we are already seeing bolles faltering of late.
since 2010 privates are 24-9 vs publics in state finals. st is 9-1 and ahp is 5-1. back those out and privates have a 10-7 edge. lets be real it is those two schools that cause the bulk of the upset over private schools of late. of the other 10 wins, its cm, cg, university etc. we don't have a statewide public v private issue. the upset is driven by privates in ONE county. throw all of the other privates in the state together with the broward privates and it would be a joke. there is an elephant in the room called broward county private schools and nobody knows how to address it.
24-9
St 9-1
Ahp 5-1
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is it true that Geico is going to sponsor a cribby memorial bowl at Traz this year?
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10 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Do you know the man? How do you know he is not qualified?
The nerve of people coming on a board like this and expecting to give their opinion.
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22 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
You are partially correct that some powers today may not be tomorrow or vice versa but missed my entire point. PRIVATES MY FRIEND!! For 20 years or more the Bolles School, TCA, University School in south FL and today AHP, CMD, Tampa Jesuit, Cardinal Gibbons, especially STA, etc... have cleaned up on state titles. I'm sure I have left some out so forgive me for that.
Private school records since 2005 showing that some publics have done just fine against the private powers
AHP v Central 0-3
Bolles v BTW 1-4
Bolles v Cocoa 1-3
ST v Lakeland 1-4
CG v Glades Central 0-6
TC v Cocoa 0-2
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8 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
With great sorrow I would like to announce I may be stepping away from the game of football as a fan and spectator indefinitely. After witnessing what I just witnessed out of the Miami Hurricanes I can no longer with good conscience support such things. It is taking a toll on my health & mental stability. Thank you all for the laughs ober the years. God bless
cmon bro bulls need u
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12 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
You are partially correct that some powers today may not be tomorrow or vice versa but missed my entire point. PRIVATES MY FRIEND!! For 20 years or more the Bolles School, TCA, University School in south FL and today AHP, CMD, Tampa Jesuit, Cardinal Gibbons, especially STA, etc... have cleaned up on state titles. I'm sure I have left some out so forgive me for that.
A VERY small percentage of ALL private schools have dominated over the past twenty 20 years. If not for Bolles, STA and AHP, we probably would not be having this discussion, because those are the schools that really held the publics back from winning championships. And when you look at state final results over the years, public schools have done just fine when competing against the private schools. Disproportionate YES . A huge problem some make it out to be NO
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28 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
That is true to a degree. For most of the rich depend on transfers to maintain their status. That requires either monetary reward such as a scholarship in the case of the privates, or convincing kids in an area that school X is the place to be. Apopka, Osceola and Mainland all in Central to East Central Florida, have, to a degree, maintained strong programs without overly depending on transfers over the past 20+ years. Cocoa, despite a couple down years, has done pretty much the same. But they have been able to do this, by having great talent based in their schools boundaries, and by convincing the kids that they should stay home.
In the case of Apopka, this is bolstered by the fact that a good amount of our talent comes from Plymouth and Zellwood, which are both in the rural part of Orange County and which would make it very difficult for them to commute to any of the other better area programs unless mommy or daddy had the money to buy them reliable transportation, which they would not as these are poor sections of Apopka.
AHP, CM and Gibbons all have an achilles heel. They are all to some extent like the U. STA is like Ohio st. The difference is fan/alumni support. The U lost its swag because the average alumnus does not relate to the team. Even when the U was winning championships they lacked it. That is what made the program vulnerable. Many alumni are very wealthy white and hispanic kids who have no interest in football and don't relate to inner city kids. Unlike Northwestern alum who are diehard fans for life, I dont see a lot of kids from those 3 private schools being online wathching their school play 25 years from now. And if their football programs collapse i doubt they will care and offer to write a check. Unlike STA fans.
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Back then you would have been laughed at suggesting Miami Central and Chaminade would EVER be amongst the best in the nation. They were below average to terrible in the 80's and 90's. Many of the programs above were bad for LONG periods of time.
We talk about haves and have nots, but STA and Lakeland are the ONLY programs over the past 20 years that have consistently had very strong teams year in and out.
Some of these teams may be riding a crest now but could be doormats in 20 years. Nade had a huge dropoff for about 10 years and it could happen again very quickly.
Yes it is VERY different today. But the scene today has not made it any easier for the rich to stay in power. If anything it is easier for a great program to completely collapse. The rich might be rich today but I would bet on ANY of the rich teams today being in that same position 20 years from now except for STA.
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Thought some of yall might find this interesting. Records of some teams from 1989. Everyone today so worried about equity. Used to have to pay your dues and accept your program might be down years at a time. Now people jumping off the cliff wanting to "fix" the playoff system to make things fair if things not going there way. There was a time when metro schools and privates did not dominate but they didnt bitch.Armwood 0-10Clearwater Central Catholic 2-8Cocoa 2-8Jesuit 4-6Lake Wales 4-6Mainland 0-10Miami Central 4-6Miami Norland 2-8Miami Northwestern 4-6Naples 1-8St Thomas 4-6
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Rockets win 17-10. Lots of penalties second half. Bulls QB on the run all night. Bulls D played a complete game and contained Central, preventing big plays. I think people expected Rockets to turn on the jets in second half and it didnt happen.
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4 minutes ago, cribboy305 said:
I love when the games be like this, not so much mistake ridden but nice & close & you cant tell who wants it more. remind me of my days as a kid not only playing in it but watching it.
Throw the records out in this game. Always been that way.
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Bulls d playin wit some swag
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Sorry jus started thread bout same time as you.
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Bulls up 10-7 at half. Rockets scored once and other 6 drives were
2 fumbles in own territory
2 INTs including a pick 6 for the bulls.
2 turnover on downs-one in red zone and one on own 26 yard line.
Both Ds playing well. Central Dline dominating. Rockets O has no rhythm and dont look fired up for a big rivalry.
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Last night Central lost 43-0 to Kings academy. Glades day lost 45-0 to Somerset. These were two of the winningest programs in the state and I think this is a new low. Central got shut out by moore haven a couple of weeks ago. This is like 25 years from now seeing Miami Central lose 45-0 to St brendan. Its just unthinkable.
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Why does central have to travel to ocala for a preseason game? they missing third day of school and most kids there are "poor." priorities?
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Sorry...musta been writing post while you were.
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For those who suggested separating publics and privates, consider this. How you gonna break up the teams below into classes? Its a problem. I included estimated students each.
With 3 classes you might get STA and the 2 AH schools in the largest class with very few others. Are the 2 AH schools gonna play each other in the semis? I wouldn't think they would want that. And how is STA gonna feel facing off with AHP every year for a title. Those two schools like claiming state titles and with 3 classes one is gonna win and one is not. Neither of these 2 schools has EVER played another private school in a state final and I can see them putting up a fuss.
With 2 classes, you could have Gibbons playing AHP or STA, which are MUCH larger. Its gonna be AHP v STA in the finals or semis EVERY year. Like above, they aint gonna like that. Unless there is a change, just give the smaller class title to Nade every year.
Throw all privates everyone into one class and it's Broward v the world. How would it look having 4 Broward teams STA, AHP, Nade and Gibbons playing each other every year in the semis? If you break them up in the brackets, its still gonna be a Broward v Broward final most years. You could have teams playing other teams that are 4 times their size in the playoffs.
We got a couple monsters like AHP and STA that are kinda kept in check being in with public schools. Put them alone with other privates and it could really be ugly. Nade can beat them this year but they will have a downturn at some point like they have before. And it could take away from a state final victory if people are saying STA beat a school less than one third its size.
AMH plantation 2800
STA 2000
AMH Delray 1800
Columbus 1700
Trinity Ch 1400
Bishop moors 1400
Cardinal gibbons 1200
Bolles 1000
Mon Pace 900
Jesuit 800
CCC 600
Chaminade 600
Card Newman 500