DarterBlue2
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11 minutes ago, Perspective said:
What? You don't think 1R Williston is better than both 4M Lake Mary and 4M Seminole?
On any given night ... I doubt they would win.
As an Apopka fan I should like the direction Region 1 is going in. We are currently seeded 4 in Region 1. If we beat Wekiva on Friday, there's a strong chance we jump over Winter Park and claim the # 3 spot, as the two teams are rated almost the same and Wekiva, I believe, is more highly rated then Lake Brantley by a bit. If this happens, we likely get a first round rematch with Evans at home or a game against Hagerty at home. And if Lake Mary beats Mainland they retain the # 1 seed but would likely have to travel to Boone. That would leave Seminole playing either Hagerty or Evans (more likely Hagerty) and Mandarin traveling to Winter Park, where they will have an excellent chance of pulling off the win.
The most likely scenario from the above, is that Lake Mary faces the winner of Mandarin/Winter Park while Apopka faces Seminole at Seminole. Though Seminole beat us comfortably in the regular season, I much prefer playing them than Lake Mary in round 2. And, if Mandarin can upset Lake Mary in their rematch, and Apopka finds a way to edge out the Noles, we would get a dream regional final at our place against Mandarin.
While the above still leaves a steep hill to climb, it looks less daunting than it did a week ago.
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28 minutes ago, Perspective said:
My apologies in advance for returning this thread to its original titled theme.
Class 4M, Region 2 has some interesting dynamics. The top seed in the region, with one week to go, is Sumner. Sumner did not win its district. They lost to Durant, who is currently the 6-seed. One other team from the district (Riverview) is in the top 8. So, it would appear District 8 is the toughest district in the region, but assuming no changes between this week and next, the winner of that district -- Durant -- will not get to host a first round playoff game because they are seeded sixth and will face 3rd-seeded Olympia, the district 5 winner.
Sumner, on the other hand, will host a first round game because they'll play Plant City (district 7 runner-up and 8 seed). Again, assuming no more changes, 2nd-seeded Plant will host Riverview and 5th-seeded Palm Harbor University (district champ by virtue of having the highest power ranking in the district) will host 4th-seeded Dr. Phillips (district 5 runner-up).
Again, the take-away: the top seed in the region did not win its district and will host a first-round game, whereas the district winner will have to travel to Orlando to play its first round game because it's matched up against another district winner that has a higher Power Ranking.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.
There is a slight chance that Durant will get to stay home. If DP can find a way to beat Jones and Olympia finds a way to lose to South Lake, DP would leap over Olympia and would travel to Durant. Very unlikely, but in week 11 strange things happen from time to time.
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Rankings as of today:
https://fhsaa.com/rankings.aspx?path=football
Continues to improve but still has a lot of weird stuff. I don't like these rankings at all!
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7 minutes ago, SportsFan said:
he advantage a team like STA has is that they pull talent from Broward County not that they are private, we all see what Miami Central and Northwestern typically can do or even Norland this year. Them being public schools doesn't make a damn bit of difference because these public schools in talent rich areas act like private schools getting transfers in. I don't see aucilla Christian affecting 1R ball despite being a private school, the reason is they are pulling from talent in Jefferson County instead of Miami Dade, Broward or Jacksonville
Given St. Thomas's ambitions, it would be stacked in any metro area. Its alumni and the school's endowment would see that they had the talent to compete on a national level, because like Miami Central, their ambitions are national, not just statewide.
But like I have stated, the only way to restore sanity in Florida High School Football, is to have kids who transfer from the 10th grade on sit out a year or play JV for a year before they are eligible for Varsity football. That would slow the number of transfers, public or private, to a trickle. Private schools that wanted to load up in this scenario would have to provide 4 years of education to their recruits or bear the costs of having them sit out a year.
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Basically, any football team, private or public, that wants to have a high national ranking or a shot at a "mythical" National Championship will have a high incentive to recruit. Without doing so, they have no chance as there are several "National Caliber" teams that are stacked. Most of these are private.
So, I am pretty sure recruiting will not stop at the Miami Centrals of the world. In the case of some other publics, such as Edgewater in Orlando, that may wish to have a shot at say, the 3M crown, but that does not necessarily have National Championship aspirations, they will continue to recruit in order to give them a shot at a state championship as St. Thomas Aquinas stands in the way, and they recruit heavily.
Bottom line is that it cuts both ways. But I don't think that the solution to separate the publics from the privates will solve the problem. From my perspective, what would is requiring football transfers to sit out a year before being eligible to play Varsity football. Give them the option to play JV for the first year but not varsity and the flood of transfers would be reduced to a trickle. Of course, some very narrowly crafted exceptions could be could be made (a divorce or death in the family that changes the kid's guardian, a job promotion by the major breadwinner in the family requiring a move to a different location, etc.).
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3 minutes ago, Dan in Daytona said:
Darter, he's so easy....
He's an empty suit. I sure would not want him to be part of the crew officiating any game Apopka played. He may know the rules well. However, I seriously think he would lack fairness and objectivity.
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23 minutes ago, Jambun82 said:
The blue, black, and white team gets plenty of transfers, man who provides me many nice compliments.
You are a vacuous person who makes statements and allegations but can provide no proof of them.
You can't even provide a decent secondary source.
The truth is, if Apopka recruited heavily, and modified its offense to accommodate potential recruits, it would dominate the greater Orlando area in similar fashion to how the Miami Central's and St. Thomas's dominate South Florida.
But of course, if we did that, it would bring a multitude of unintended consequences with it. These would probably negate any benefit to the performance of the football program.
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4 minutes ago, Jambun82 said:
The blue, black, and white team gets plenty of transfers. man who provides me many nice compliments.
The Apopka Blue Darter has never buttered its bread on transfers. If you believe otherwise, please provide evidence. We are fortunate that the school has a lot of talent within its boundaries. The trick has always been to keep the talent at home. For the most part we have, due to the program having stable coaching and a winning tradition.
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1 hour ago, 181pl said:
Put two of those teams in one district of 6-8 teams and two of those teams in another district of 6-8 teams and the cream rises to the top. We have too many classes. This is why the playoffs suck. Larger classes equals larger sample sizes and better results. You will never do anything to prevent disparity in quality between regions. The Big Bend will never compete with Miami-Dade. But those teams are typically in diferent classes. If not, oh well. It's a "state" championship. Not a region championship like watered down California.
The Big Bend and for that matter many small town in obscure places used to do just fine against the powers of Miami Dade and the Fort Lauderdale area. What has turned things on their heads is the modern day reality of the "super teams", whether Private or Public. Once it became open season for kids to transfer to wherever they wished to go solely for athletics or anything else, it guaranteed that the larger metro areas were going to have a significant advantage as it was always going to be a whole lot easier for a Miami Central or for that matter an Orlando Edgewater to load up with transfers from a 15 mile radius than it would be for a Lake City Columbia or even a Deland to do the same.
If sanity were restored as to who would be immediately eligible to play for a given school, then parity within the state of Florida.
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21 minutes ago, Jambun82 said:
The situation will be handled the way that the FHSAA sees fit. You won't be consulted, so there is no need for you to concern yourself Pinstripes.
14 minutes ago, Jambun82 said:The blue and gold team who spells a word an unusual way gets plenty of transfers, man whom I agree with on several issues.
You are an autocrat both in word and deed. I thank God you are not in a position of power and authority outside the high school gridiron.
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1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
What’s crazy is that it’s been years since Dillard has had this start to finish type beating, so while I was disgusted & embarrassed Friday ; I woke up Saturday understanding that for one it’s ONE game. #2 Dillard was on their 3rd game in 8 days with a team that is good but not state elite good.
add that with the 3 pick 6s & a safety in the first qt , idc what team you’re or how good you’re No one is coming back from that on the road against a national power house.
@DarterBlue2 as far as Dillard can’t compete with the STA of the world I half agree half disagree. The last 3 years Dillard has show. They can go toe to toe even if it’s for a half with some of the nations best. Are we good enough to beat them? Obviously not. But to say we can’t compete ? I disagree because we’ve done it.
so all this Jv team 8 man b.s let’s not over exaggerate. Yes it was an ugly lost, Disgusting lost hell ALL OF THE ABOVE. But I would look at this game as more of an aberration, then Dillard just being that inept vs Sta. As a former player & fan of the game, sometimes you have one of those games where everything goes wrong & you’re run off the field. You see it in HS, College & the pros. You take your lumps & you use it as ammunition moving forward. Luckily for Dillard it wasn’t a playoff game & they still have one more regular season game before post season play. #Gopanthers
Perhaps I didn't put my words correctly. I have no doubt that Dillard has the potential to be an elite team in Florida. But at this moment it is not. The program has had a lot of change over the past two years. And, a lot of turnover of both players and staff since last year. It would have been easy for this to have been a rebuilding year with no playoff birth, but as of now you are almost certain to play at least one game in the post season. For @nolebull813 to suggest that Dillard should be playing 8 man ball is ridiculous and I believe he's just trolling you.
Absent the top 16 to 20 or so teams in the state, Dillard would have a good shot at a deep playoff run in any of the classifications in the state as things stand now. Would you win out? I don't know, but you would certainly be in the conversation.
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3 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
8 man
Come on man. Dillard is not ready for the STAs of the world. But they can beat middle of the road to decent teams. Create a super class and Dillard would be competitive against the rest.
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52 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:
The game was called at the fight. Lakeland has been negotiating with Kathleen on a resolution, will also report to FHSAA.
I definitely don't mean to make excuses for Lakeland.
I don't see your comments in this thread as making excuses for Lakeland. An unfortunate event occurred which may impact them in a negative way. I think the entire staff needs to look at this and probably make changes to the way in which they communicate with the athletes.
What's past is past, but Lakeland certainly cannot afford to make this a regular occurrence and the kids that wear the Orange, Black and White need to have that drilled into their heads.
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24 minutes ago, 181pl said:
there are no positive three and 4 team districts.
Except in the rare situation where you had: Northwestern, Central, Norland and a resurgent Carol City all in the same district. To me, districts like that would be ok with just four teams, especially if only two or no more than three made the playoffs. The same would apply if Edgewater, Dr. Phillips, Apopka, Seminole, and the current Lake Mary were all in one district of five teams.
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6 minutes ago, Trelle said:
Hey now I’m not that old, so 19 years ago (lol) but yes I can honestly remember 3 kids that transferred in 1 from St Edward’s (private Vero school), one from John Carroll (private school in Ft. Pierce but he lived in Vero) and from Sebastian (who grew up in Vero and I personally have been friends to this day with since 6th grade and transferred in like myself after parents divorced and his dad was in Vero). 2 started on the line (C and G) and my buddy was a co-starter at QB. Everyone else pretty much came up playing 9-12th grade. We have a great group of feeder schools into 9th grade from multiple private and public middle schools I really don’t see the need for transfers. With home grown talent we were in the playoffs every year, playing good competition, and ALOT of camaraderie between the guys.
I was not sure whether to give you a heart or the smiley face, LOL. Yes, you were a year younger than my older child back when you started posting on the Florida Varsity Central board.
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@Ray Icaza, @Perspective is spot on as things stand today. It's actually a very good draw for you as an 8th seed. Not a guaranteed win, but I don't think you will be playing the real # 1 team in the region.
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2 minutes ago, Trelle said:
The craziest part is, if you looks years back Vero has always been a great second half team and would make adjustments during the half and usually pull away. This year 2nd half they come out flat, and unresponsive like they give up even with a lead.
@Trelle, 20 years or so ago, back when you represented VB, I bet well over 90% of the team was "home grown" in the sense that they spent all four years at VB. Today, while VB is still a community school, that's not the case in athletics anymore.
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32 minutes ago, Perspective said:
But unless ties are determined on the field, the problem can still exist. Say you've got a 7 or 8-team district and one of the teams runs the table. The next three teams end up tied for second and they all have two district losses (All 3 teams lose to A; B beat C; C beat D; and D beat B). How do you determine who the "second place team" is for purposes of the playoffs?
In the old days, you would have a tiebreaker on Monday with each of the teams playing a half of football against each other as necessary.
The host would be the team with the best overall won/loss record. Or if that's tied, a coin could be flipped to determine the host school.
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5 minutes ago, Jullian said:
Vero looks are imposing. Big, athletic, fast……then they play!!!! They play soft, undisciplined, & confused. They’re imposters. At least in last nights game. The penalties that both teams continued to have are first & second week penalties!!!! If the opposing teams don’t beat them in the postseason, they’ll beat themselves with their undisciplined play. Game was hard to watch.
From last night's play both teams have a lot of clean up to do if either is to get far in the playoffs.
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41 minutes ago, Vero Indian said:
What's crazy is that my mom told me her Lake City Tigers are gonna beat us......
Dam so DeLand might be our first opponent???
Yes. That's the most likely outcome as I type this. If Vero lost to Columbia you may get Palm Bay Heritage or Treasure Coast in the first round, though. Heritage would be a likely win for VB. But TC, well we saw what happened last night.
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Before the game tonight, DeLand was the number 4 seed in Region 3 and Vero Beach was the number 5 seed. Given VB lost to TC which is a higher seeded team than it, VB may retain the number 5 spot, especially if it wins next week. As DeLand is a district champion, that means VB's first game would be on the road at Spec Martin stadium.
If VB loses to Lake City Columbia which is possible, I believe it still makes the playoffs but would likely be 6 or 7th seed. The likely opponent would be either Palm Bay Heritage (which would be a good draw), or a rematch with Treasure Coast at their place again.
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14 minutes ago, SportsFan said:
That's a valid and likely accurate assessment, obviously idk enough about the current staff to make a judge on how things are run now compared to before but at the end of the day if a team does something that costs them several players they have nobody but themselves to blame for it, can't be doing this right before the playoffs even if the other team started it
I believe most of their staff are still intact. But I am not close to the program so I don't know. But even if that's true, being a very good coordinator or assistant does not always translate into being in charge. The tone always begins at the top and what happened should not have occurred.
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11 minutes ago, SportsFan said:
Maybe but I'm certainly not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt because they chose to clear their benches for a brawl with a 1 win team
Ik some will use this as an excuse for why they lose in the playoffs and that's not fair to the team their season ends against because the other team could control themselves and not get into a fight right before the playoffs
Under their long time, legendary HBC, this probably would not have happened. Voids are sometimes hard to fill even when the Xs and Os and the talent is still there.
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