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100 of those yards came on 2 plays, during a stretch where Armwood's offense went 3 and out like 4 or 5 straight possesions. Any defense would get tired when the offense is going 3 and out every drive
NW had 200 yds of offense outside those 2 plays, and sure enough once Armwood's offense finally started to put together some drives with first downs after that 3 and out streak, their defense went right back to shutting down NW's offense
Also Armwood's offensive playcalling was way worse imo than NW's

It seems you are contriving this idea they have historically struggled vs SFL teams in the playoffs by nitpicking facts.
 
Why would you arbitrarily start at 2007? You conveniently left out 2004 and 2005 when Armwood beat BTW (including on the road in 05').
2007= BTW's second best team in school history 
2008= Not a SFL team
2009= Dwyer's best team in school history
2010= W vs. Dwyer you conveniently left out (as I stated in the other post, forfeits are irrelevant in evaluating teams performance)
2011= W vs. Miami Central you conveniently left out
2012= Not a SFL team
2013-15= MC, the only SFL team/years you can say Armwood has truly struggled with
2016= Not a SFL team
 
That's 4-5 vs. SFL elites in the playoffs, not good, not bad, you win some you lose some, about what you'd expect
2-1 vs. BTW
1-1 vs. Dwyer
1-3 vs. MC
 
Also them not having a close game all season is more a testament to them this year than a slight to their schedule as Plant, TBT, and Hillsborough (x2) were all pretty good this year, better then the last few years.
And do you really think none of the teams Armwood faced this year "are remotely as fast or physical across the board" as Naples?! That is asinine. Naples is not that good. The 3 aforementioned teams would all easily beat Naples as would Vanguard and St. augustine.
The game this year will be close, just like CC-LG last year but higher scoring. And I give the West the edge due to being more battle tested vs. elites and having engaged in close games

Armwood was not yet a powerhouse in 2000, they didn't even win their district that year and the state semis was uncharted waters for them. In fact they had never even so much as reached the regional finals prior to that season nor had they ever won their district. Glades Central was in their heyday and an established state and national powerhouse. Therefore it is pretty irrelevant to go back that far. https://bigcountypreps.com/team-history/armwood-hawks/
Armwood has no more a tough time with top South Florida powerhouses as any other team does, including other SFL powers. If they were beating them easily, then SFL wouldn't be elite.
5 ineligible players, of which 1 started (and he wasn't a bluechip stud, he was an FCS kid), none of the some 15-20 FBS recruits they had that year were ruled ineligible. They didn't benefit from anything more than the top Miami squads benefit from every year. And you just nonchalantly ignore that Miami Central also had to forfeit their entire 2011 season because their QB Stock was from Broward. It's ok talking about how success is going to benefit MC, CC, MNW, etc. with transfers from all over Liberty City, Overtown, Miami Gardens, etc. but Armwood gets a transfer from another part of Tampa and omg they're cheaters, any win they had doesn't count.
You make it sound as if in the 2011 title game Armwood was lucky to beat MC and escaped by the skin of their teeth. I watched that game, Armwood was clearly the better team and in the drivers seat the entire game. Yes MC had a late comeback attempt that fell short but they never held a lead once that entire game.
Again, Armwood had not arrived yet as a program in 2000, so counting that game against heyday Glades Central is disingenuous.
The numerous Dade teams better than BTW in 04' and 05' comment is a load of bologna, name them if you think that.
This 2017 Armwood team is built on speed, not size.
I know about the West's track history, and I have watched players from Liberty City play
 
All that said, I am merely saying that to say Armwood has "struggled" vs SFL teams since they have become a powerhouse is inaccurate. I think our disagreement is simply a matter of semantics as I interpret "struggle with a team or group of teams" to imply that you cannot beat or compete with them, like if they were 1-9 or 2-8 (not 5-5, their record since they became a powerhouse in 2003)
Mind you every one of those games were either state semifinals or state championships, so they were getting the last surviving cream of the crop battle tested SFL team in those games, so yeah I wouldn't expect them to be blowing them out, and due to the weaker brackets some years (especially 6A north the last few years) they were able to sneak some of their weaker teams further in the playoffs leading to some blowout losses to those cream of the crop SFL teams.

They won that game, on the road in vegas, without their 4* RB who is now in the NFL
Who cares if they had to forfeit, for the purpose of evaluating their performance over the years it is disingenuous to refer to that as a "loss"

Anybody got an unattached sister, daughter, ex wife/girlfriend, neighbor, or co-worker with a driver's license willing to travel to Lake City and entertain a nice young man who spends way to much time educating lost and confused souls still living in the past. A fund has been set up ( Tiger Greet and Heat ) to help facilitate a bonding of hearts, mind, and body for our north Florida friend who doesn't leave his computer keyboard nearly long enough to expand his possibilities for engagement.  

They won that game, on the road in vegas, without their 4* RB who is now in the NFL
Who cares if they had to forfeit, for the purpose of evaluating their performance over the years it is disingenuous to refer to that as a "loss"

Similarly talented teams but I'm going with the West because they have faced more elite competition and are more battle tested

It seems you are contriving this idea they have historically struggled vs SFL teams in the playoffs by nitpicking facts.
 
Why would you arbitrarily start at 2007? You conveniently left out 2004 and 2005 when Armwood beat BTW (including on the road in 05').
2007= BTW's second best team in school history 
2008= Not a SFL team
2009= Dwyer's best team in school history
2010= W vs. Dwyer you conveniently left out (as I stated in the other post, forfeits are irrelevant in evaluating teams performance)
2011= W vs. Miami Central you conveniently left out
2012= Not a SFL team
2013-15= MC, the only SFL team/years you can say Armwood has truly struggled with
2016= Not a SFL team
 
That's 4-5 vs. SFL elites in the playoffs, not good, not bad, you win some you lose some, about what you'd expect
2-1 vs. BTW
1-1 vs. Dwyer
1-3 vs. MC
 
Also them not having a close game all season is more a testament to them this year than a slight to their schedule as Plant, TBT, and Hillsborough (x2) were all pretty good this year, better then the last few years.
And do you really think none of the teams Armwood faced this year "are remotely as fast or physical across the board" as Naples?! That is asinine. Naples is not that good. The 3 aforementioned teams would all easily beat Naples as would Vanguard and St. augustine.
The game this year will be close, just like CC-LG last year but higher scoring. And I give the West the edge due to being more battle tested vs. elites and having engaged in close games

It seems you are contriving this idea they have historically struggled vs SFL teams in the playoffs by nitpicking facts.
 
Why would you arbitrarily start at 2007? You conveniently left out 2004 and 2005 when Armwood beat BTW (including on the road in 05').
2007= BTW's second best team in school history 
2008= Not a SFL team
2009= Dwyer's best team in school history
2010= W vs. Dwyer you conveniently left out (as I stated in the other post, forfeits are irrelevant in evaluating teams performance)
2011= W vs. Miami Central you conveniently left out
2012= Not a SFL team
2013-15= MC, the only SFL team/years you can say Armwood has truly struggled with
2016= Not a SFL team
 
That's 4-5 vs. SFL elites in the playoffs, not good, not bad, you win some you lose some, about what you'd expect
2-1 vs. BTW
1-1 vs. Dwyer
1-3 vs. MC
 
Also them not having a close game all season is more a testament to them this year than a slight to their schedule as Plant, TBT, and Hillsborough (x2) were all pretty good this year, better then the last few years.
And do you really think none of the teams Armwood faced this year "are remotely as fast or physical across the board" as Naples?! That is asinine. Naples is not that good. The 3 aforementioned teams would all easily beat Naples as would Vanguard and St. augustine.
The game this year will be close, just like CC-LG last year but higher scoring. And I give the West the edge due to being more battle tested vs. elites and having engaged in close games

Similarly talented teams but I'm going with the West because they have faced more elite competition and are more battle tested

Saw a great one tonight in this match.  Crowd was likely  5,000 + and Atlantic's defense contained Miami for the most part from big plays.  Miami scores on the first drive of the game in about 8 plays to go up 7-0 early.  Miami had a chance to build on a 13-7 lead with seconds to go in the first half and faked a chip shot FG, which turned into a Atlantic 101 INT return giving the Eagles momentum going into halftime up 14-13.  Atlantic added to that lead and took the opening second half KO to the house and went up 20-13 with the missed XP.  Early to mid  4th quarter Miami finally had a drive and found the endzone , went for 2 and successfully went up 21-20 .  6 minutes left Miami has another drive going but Atlantic holds and gets the ball on their own 35.  Atlantic QB takes a big hit fumbles and 1/3rd of the Atlantic stadium left after Miami got the ball back.  Sure enough Atlantic holds again and gets the ball back with 3 minutes to go.  Atlantic completes a 45 yard pass, followed by a personal foul after the play and they are well in the red zone.  With under a minute left , Atlantic finds pay dirt , completes the  two point conversion and takes a 28-21 lead.  They kick off to Miami, and are on top of the play like white on rice.  Atlantic then pretty much contains Miami for under 20 yards while time runs out. Atlanic wins 28-21.
The game turned into a turnover/defensive battle.  3 pick sixes ( 2 ATL, 1 MIA).  
Overall, Atlantic's defense contained Miami RB Johnny Ford and pretty much eliminated large gains.  The game could have gone any way but Atlantic's defense to me just had a little too much team speed for the Miami offense to get going.  Take away the the Miami High pick 6 and they only really had 2 successful drives in the game.   One other thing I noticed is Miami High appeared to only have about 40-45 players and Atlantic seemed to have a lot more dressed.  Miami High needed some work in the kicking/punting game.  Atlantic's was a little better. 
 

Wasn't there, but I can't shake the feeling the "bogus" penalty on the return is just you being mad that your team actually did commit a hold on a big play. And if Plant called a TO right before the other TD then why are you complaining? The refs didn't take anything away, Plant called a TO.
You even admit refs called penalties on Plant, if they weren't at crucial moments, don't blame the refs, "blame" Plant's coaches for coaching their players better. Also the game was played in Brevard county, not Hillsborough county. If there was any officiating bias it would stand to reason that Viera would be the beneficiary, not Plant.
When you first posted this I believed you considering Plant's prestige and the benefits that usually come with being an established name brand. However, after hearing the Plant coaches detailed side of the story compared to your relatively vague account, I gotta side with Plant here and call BS on your Viera was robbed claim

Eh, Idk if I'd call it a murderer's row. Not quite 6A-16 but definitely better then what people give them credit for.
Jefferson is down this year, and Durant is not bad but not particularly any good, just average
Hillsborough x2 is good and are quality wins though, definitely far better than those other two
TBT and Plant are both among the top teams in Central FL and were soundly beaten by them, indeed very impressive wins.

Wasn't there, but I can't shake the feeling the "bogus" penalty on the return is just you being mad that your team actually did commit a hold on a big play. And if Plant called a TO right before the other TD then why are you complaining? The refs didn't take anything away, Plant called a TO.
You even admit refs called penalties on Plant, if they weren't at crucial moments, don't blame the refs, "blame" Plant's coaches for coaching their players better. Also the game was played in Brevard county, not Hillsborough county. If there was any officiating bias it would stand to reason that Viera would be the beneficiary, not Plant.
When you first posted this I believed you considering Plant's prestige and the benefits that usually come with being an established name brand. However, after hearing the Plant coaches detailed side of the story compared to your relatively vague account, I gotta side with Plant here and call BS on your Viera was robbed claim

This is actually very true, there is little to no good coaching in that county

Wasn't there, but I can't shake the feeling the "bogus" penalty on the return is just you being mad that your team actually did commit a hold on a big play. And if Plant called a TO right before the other TD then why are you complaining? The refs didn't take anything away, Plant called a TO.
You even admit refs called penalties on Plant, if they weren't at crucial moments, don't blame the refs, "blame" Plant's coaches for coaching their players better. Also the game was played in Brevard county, not Hillsborough county. If there was any officiating bias it would stand to reason that Viera would be the beneficiary, not Plant.
When you first posted this I believed you considering Plant's prestige and the benefits that usually come with being an established name brand. However, after hearing the Plant coaches detailed side of the story compared to your relatively vague account, I gotta side with Plant here and call BS on your Viera was robbed claim

The guy's agenda is all in the title: Viera robbed by Refs. If he were legit, the title could have said something like: Viera loses close game on Questionable call. Or something to that effect. Nah, a week ago he was complaining about not being number 1 seed in the Region after his team had played a superior schedule to Lakeland. He was gonna complain as long as his team did not win a State Title.

Wasn't there, but I can't shake the feeling the "bogus" penalty on the return is just you being mad that your team actually did commit a hold on a big play. And if Plant called a TO right before the other TD then why are you complaining? The refs didn't take anything away, Plant called a TO.
You even admit refs called penalties on Plant, if they weren't at crucial moments, don't blame the refs, "blame" Plant's coaches for coaching their players better. Also the game was played in Brevard county, not Hillsborough county. If there was any officiating bias it would stand to reason that Viera would be the beneficiary, not Plant.
When you first posted this I believed you considering Plant's prestige and the benefits that usually come with being an established name brand. However, after hearing the Plant coaches detailed side of the story compared to your relatively vague account, I gotta side with Plant here and call BS on your Viera was robbed claim

The refs were not responsible for our defense stuffing your offense numerous times.  We played like complete horsesh** the first quarter but our defense minimized the damage from 4 turnovers by refusing to let them in the end zone and go for field goals.  We make them go three and out the last two drives.  Our offense finally got it together and drove 94 yards in 2 minutes. One penalty you’re complaining about yet the refs warned that idiot NOT to push the amplified gong button during the cadence of the QB THREE TIMES.  The third time they throw the flag.  Your own head coach pleaded with the PA announcer not to do it (he got on the headsets with the dude).  He did it—and was flagged.  I applaud it in lieu of the numerous other issues we had with their admin over there.  

post from a Plant coach or at least a former one
 
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Posts: 999  Posted 17 hours ago · Edited  #3  They got what they deserved. They banned us from setting up cameras in the end zone. FHSAA policy allows that according to my knowledge. They had a radio show in our booth set up so our coaches were kicked out on top of the roof by the speakers that were highly amplified with loud music/PA sound. They made no provisions for a box for the visiting coaches like we did for them last year when the game was on TV. We GAVE them our own coaching box. Their admin were complete d****s to us in pregame about these issues. Didn’t like how that came out. Didn’t like the announcer using artificially amplified noise (through speakers and electricity not the band) during offensive plays which is TOTALLY illegal and the PA was warned twice about it to the point that their head coach pleaded with the PA guy through the headsets to NOT play the gong sound during play. He did it a third time and they flagged him. All he had to do was NOT push that button. He couldn’t do it. And yes it was annoying and illegal. They gave us sh** about setting up HUDL sideline technology—like we were televising the game to the whole country or something illegally. Yet their admin had no problem with their kids prodding our athletes at halftime trying to get to the locker room. That was the worst thing

Plant of today is a far cry from their elite teams of 2006-2011

You can't make that statement, none of the 407 teams play the top Miami schools
Almost all the good OC teams are in 8A, which features none of the top south FL programs, good ones, but not top. So it gives the illusion that they have a number of state level elite programs when in reality they just get to dodge the STA's, MC's, MNW's, etc. of South FL.
OC has a lot of good teams, but no elite ones, at least this year (not saying they haven't had any in years past)
All the population center counties Dade, Broward, PB, Hillsborough, Orange, Duvall put out elite talent
And the Cardinal Gibbons- Jones game was never in doubt. It was 20-7 CG at the end of 1, 30-16 CG at the half, and 40-24 CG after 3. Not necessarily a blowout, but the game was never in doubt. Certainly not a "tough" game, and CG was on the road

This is actually very true, there is little to no good coaching in that county