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  4. Polk County Fun fact

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    45 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

    You’re exactly right perspective. They did it in closed door meetings to help out lee county and Polk.  Mysteriously it changed AFTER they realized those two would be metro and made up some crazy density rule. Heck Seminole county is know for parks and wildlife. Not huge population but have to take care of Polk at others expense. By the way.  Look at all those new state champions parity the plan created. Oh wait. All those suburban teams in the finals have been to the final four within the past decade. Plan just gives solid suburban teams who already made semifinals. A state trophie. Will be same group who win all 9 division just like past. Do real competitive balance 

    Why do you contradict yourself?  You say the changes were done behind closed doors (which they were) to help Lee and Polk.  Lee I can certainly see as they would've rounded out the top 8 based on population not to mention they had 2 board votes whereas Polk had 0 votes and came in a #9 and would've missed the cutoff.  So how does Lee get around that? Change the criteria to population density which saves a struggling Lee county (which actually performed better thanks to those changes).  Polk does what it does.  As already documented, Polk does not need any help getting to the finals and out of 67 counties, Polk is #5 in all time appearances (excluding this season) beating out half the metro counties.  Try again son!

  6. Polk County Fun fact

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    25 minutes ago, 181pl said:

    it’s population per square mile:

    Pinellas 3425

    Miami Dade 1070

    Hillsborough 1429

    Orange 1494

    Polk 414

     

    but Pinellas county has a large elderly population, so it’s deceiving.

    What is also deceiving is that Polk has a larger district population than Pinellas.

  7. Polk County Fun fact

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    13 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    Polk County crushed the myth that “suburban” teams have a built in disadvantage when Pinellas County has ZERO titles in football history but Polk has been cranking them out for decades. All that population hasn’t helped Pinellas County win any titles. So why do metro areas that have success get penalized? 

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    Seriously, it's very telling to compare Pinellas to any county with a title, metro or suburban in which this rushed plan was conceived bring some semblance of football equality to the state.

    Regarding metro areas being penalized, if you would, I would really like to hear more about how metro counties (or specifically which ones) are suffering.

  9. CM vs CCC

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    1 hour ago, 181pl said:

    Didn't even have to look off defenders. QB zoned in. CCC is very, very good sqaud but NOTHING like BG. I like CM, just may not be up to the task of representing FL in the GEICO. I'd rather see Central, STA, or even Lakeland (provided they get past the gamers down in Venice, who always show up and play well, with their most talented or undertalented teams).

    It won't be Lakeland for a couple of reasons even if they emerge victorious next week.

  10. 1M Title Game: Clearwater Central Catholic vs. Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) (Thursday Dec. 8 7:00)

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    6 minutes ago, Perspective said:

    Did anyone watch this game all the way to the end?  I saw where C-M scored on the last play of the game to make the final score 48-14 (it had been running clock for a while).  Please tell me the last touchdown was scored by a manager with Down's Syndrome or, at the very least, a 4th string  senior that had never scored a TD in his career.   Otherwise, this old-school guy simply does not understand why the winning team wouldn't simply take a knee instead of rubbing salt in the wounds of the other team. 

    Your eyes did not deceive you.  Also, Pinellas County did not sink into the Gulf as expected.

  16. 3S Title Game: Mainlaind (Daytona Beach) vs. Lake Wales (Friday 12/16 1:00)

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    On 12/7/2022 at 8:06 AM, Jullian said:

    Was at the Lake Wales game last week. Super team effort with no outstanding athletes, though good. Watched em warm up with Columbiafan. No size whatsoever. What we couldn’t see was heart. And that’s big! QB has a gun. Highlanders have a couple speedsters at wideout. Their defense is ATTACK! It should b a good matchup. I’ll b rooting for black & Orange. 

    That's foul Jullian!  You can root for Lake Wales but not Lakeland.  How dare you? :D

  17. 4S Title Game: Venice vs. Lakeland (Saturday 12/17 1:00)

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    11 hours ago, Jullian said:

    The guru of the running game is Castle. Dreads success will b that. When they torched Aquinas in the finals with about 1000 yds on the “stiff” STA D, they never looked back. That’s with a NFL HOF running the D!!!! Peacock ain’t nobodies bridesmaid. He’ll have the Indians play their best game. Their special teams are usually stellar. If they win it might come that way……I’ll b there(IN GREEN!!!!)

    Green with Envy my friend!? :D

  18. Polk County Fun fact

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    13 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:

    Nulli, lets see how delicate I can put this and not run afoul of Josh's heavy hand. It appears most of Polk's success is after Florida's integration of the races in 1970. Also lets give coach Bill Castle a shout out for laying the ground work and showing/teaching followers how it is done. If I'm not mistaken H.O.F. Coach Rick Darlington falls into this group. Much like Brevard's county's coach Gerald (Jerry) Odom and his followers/students/ball players. My wife has family in Plant City. I've been there, seen the strawberries, and seen a little of the mining operations. Throw in a few cows and horses and I've haven't seen much more "industry".  What "BROUGHT"  in the large group of African-Americans that to this day keeps rural Polk County with an endless supply of D-1 athletes. What's over there ?  It can't be the water, Pasco county and Zephyrhills got that.

    It could be the radiation in the water.  I'll give you the short version without cliff notes, lol.  Four things brought African Americans to Polk County:  Spanish-American war, Citrus, Phosphate and the railroads. 

    You have to go all the way back the the start of the Spanish-American war when the 10th Calvary (1 of 4) all black Buffalo soldiers was stationed in Lakeland.  During that time, Lakeland and other outlying areas of Polk County amassed large numbers of soldiers that were awaiting deployment to Cuba.  They (and their families) were set up and eventually settled around Lake Wire near downtown in what is know known as the Lake Ridge community all the way north to the Washington Park area near the hospital.  This includes central city where Bryant stadium is now located all the way up to the old Tiger Town air force base on Lake Parker once stood.  Just to give you an idea what I mean when I say "central city", central city  Every town at the time had pockets of African-Americans that were associated with the war with the largest concentration in Lakeland & Bartow.

    Citrus is another not thought of industry and back then, Polk County was the largest producer of Citrus in the state all the way until a few years ago.  Before other ethnicities came to be in Polk County, African-Americans were the top choice for menial back-breaking labor and picking trees all day in the Central Florida heat was about as rough as it got.  That further spread African-Americans all over the county especially those with endless groves (Winter Haven, Auburndale, Haines City, Lake Wales and Frostproof). 

    Phosphate mining was another hot industry beginning in the late 1800's and is still prevalent today starting in South Polk (Ft. Meade) and eventually working its way north to Bartow, Mulberry and parts of South Lakeland now known as Lakeland-Highlands where George Jenkins HS resides.  More so than Citrus, phosphate mining was laborious work and was downright dangerous, both short and long term.  Again, trying to be politically correct but what group was favored to do what others didn't want to do?  

    The railroad industry is big business in Polk now but it was really big back in the day.  When you take into account the man power to establish and maintain the rail infrastructure to move Citrus, cattle and phosphate to points north and to/from the port of Tampa, the railroad probably had the largest noticeable impact on Polk County.  Bone Valley (Mulberry and Ft. Meade) consists of an intricate rail network that crisscrosses Polk County before heading west to Tampa, north to Winston in Southwest Lakeland using either the Seaboard Air Line or Seaboard Coast line where they meet at Diamond Junction in Auburndale.  Polk County was one of the few places in the state where both companies were in direct competition with each other before deregulation and consolidation into what is now CSX.  A few miles northeast of Winston, there was a 180 acre rail repair and refurbishing yard on the edge of downtown Lakeland bordering Kathleen Rd.  That area is now home to the recently opened Bonnet Springs Park.  That area is also located in central city where large swaths of African-Americans still reside generations later.  Winter Haven, Lake Wales and Haines City also had burgeoning rail industries and a few have railroad museums that chronicle how the railroad impacted their communities.  The next time you're in Polk County and you happen to be in a town/city and you notice railroad tracks, there's a good chance there's some African-American history behind it and it probably shows.    

    How that translates into what you deem as continued D-1 success, I can only contribute that to the grind and historically, it wasn't hard to do being surrounded by Hillsborough, Pinellas, Osceola and Orange.  No disrespect to anyone affiliated with a school in those counties.  However, those are the facts.  The first Lakeland school to capitalize on integration was Kathleen given their new location and proximity to the defunct all black Rochelle High School and the neighborhood in which it served.  Lakeland was better in basketball and Kathleen was the football King.  Fast forward a few decades and both schools have swapped roles.  However, Lakeland was a little more resistant to change as it was known as the more upscale of the two.  When I was in high school 91-94, a popular chant at games against Lakeland was "Sink the Snobs" as the school pulled from wealthier, more established South Lakeland neighborhoods including Lakeland Highlands until George Jenkins opened in 1993.  The rest of the county for a long time were one schools towns so there wasn't a massive tug on talent like it is in Lakeland.  After that, Winter Haven lost some personnel when Lake Ridge opened (1995).  They have always had a decent amount of athletes but Winter Haven bleeds into Auburndale.  The 2nd city to truly suffer was Haines City with the opening of Ridge (2005) and if you take a look at their records, you can see the shift when the Oak Hill community that once drove Haines City was split.  What also happened around the same time (2003) is the city of Lake Wales created it's own charter school system and although in Polk County, operated independently of Polk County school district.  That really made things difficult talent wise in East Polk as Lake Wales was able to take in students from anywhere but primarily up US27 into Haines City/Davenport and 540 into Winter Haven.  The Blue Devils are one program I do not envy in football as they are literally smack in the middle of most of the high schools in Polk County.

    Winners
    1973 Haines City
    1974 Frostproof
    1977 Bartow
    1985 Bartow
    1986 Lakeland
    1992 Frostproof
    1996 Lakeland
    1996 Bartow
    1999 Lakeland
    1999 Frostproof
    2004 Lakeland
    2004 Ft. Meade
    2005 Lakeland 
    2005 Evangel Chr. (Lakeland)
    2006 Lakeland
    2014 Victory Chr. (Lakeland)
    2018 Lakeland

    Runner-ups
    1967 Auburndale
    1968 Kathleen
    1971 Haines City
    1972 Frostproof
    1973 Ft. Meade
    1981 Frostproof
    1991 Haines City
    1991 Frostproof
    1993 Lake Wales
    1993 Ft. Meade
    1994 Lake Wales
    1996 Frostproof
    1999 Ft. Meade
    2000 Ft. Meade
    2001 Ft. Meade
    2003 Lake Gibson
    2003 Ft. Meade
    2004 Lake Gibson
    2005 Ft. Meade
    2006 Victory Chr. (Lakeland)
    2008 Lakeland
    2008 Ft. Meade
    2013 Victory Chr. (Lakeland)
    2016 Lake Gibson
    2019 Victory Chr. (Lakeland)

  19. Polk County Fun fact

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    9 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

    Fun fact about PLOK county. Their state representative is what started this open enrollment crap that ruined hs sports with easy transfers. Another fun fact, they somehow got their county and lee put in the suburban when their population is bigger than other metro counties and pulled the old switcheroo between the first proposal and the one that actually passed to dodge st Thomas Aquinas and other metro teams. Screw them and I hope Venice beats them by thirty. 

    Fun fact about PLOK county.  Either you misspelled on purpose or it took you all day to come up with that little quip.  Either way it's pathetic.

    Their state representative is what started this open enrollment crap that ruined hs sports with easy transfers.  This is America.  Contact your local representative and start the process to repeal it.  Then again since no one here knows what your school or county affiliation is, maybe your local rep doesn't have the pull to do so.  Isn't that what any good representative is supposed to do for their constituents?  Given the gravity of what actually happened and the subsequent fallout that affected Lakeland High School, I can't say I blame her even though Lakeland wasn't the catalyst, just the more popular choice.  People like you who don't have an ounce of a clue blindly perpetuate the lie that Lakeland went after and recruited the 5 (eventually downgraded to 3) athletes to come to Lakeland when the guardians were found guilty of falsifying addresses so they could enroll at LHS illegally is laughable at best.  Had Lakeland knowingly committed such an egregious act, none of the coaches including Castle, possibly the principle would've survived it. 

    Another fun fact, they somehow got their county and lee put in the suburban when their population is bigger than other metro counties and pulled the old switcheroo between the first proposal and the one that actually passed to dodge st Thomas Aquinas and other metro teams. Screw them and I hope Venice beats them by thirty.  FHSAA board of directors.  As you can see, no one from Polk County is represented.  Try again.  Regarding STA, why the hell would Lakeland dodge a program that it has a winning 6-2 advantage over?  Maybe you're pissed because whatever your imaginary program is can't beat the Raiders.  

  20. Polk County Fun fact

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    3 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:

    That's why Mainland High has the longest consecutive "Public School" playoff streak in the state of Florida. Mainland is currently at 29 years and it started in 1994. Lakeland High's streak started in 1993. Don't remember the year (2010's ?) when they were disqualified but that ended their streak. ( Shameless Homer Plug ).

    Yes, it was 2010.  That's when players were found guilty of falsifying addresses to move several blocks east into Lakeland's schools zone.

  21. Polk County Fun fact

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    Since 1963, Polk County has been represented in the state finals 42 times.  The most in any given year has been 3 teams 4 times (1996, 1999, 2004, & 2005) with Polk taking 2 of 3 in each of those years.  In contrast, Polk has sent 2 teams to the title game 6 times (1973, 1991, 1993, 2003, 2006 & 2008) and lost all but 2 games.  Two teams in the finals has not been kind to Polk County.  Will 2022 be different or does history repeat itself?

     

    When 3 Polk schools play for the title - 67% win rate

    1996:  Lakeland over STA, Bartow over Bolles, Union County over Frostproof
    1999:  Lakeland over Rutherford, Frostproof over Trinity Chr., North Florida Chr. over Ft. Meade
    2004:  Lakeland over STA, Ft. Meade over Blountstown, Armwood over Lake Gibson
    2005:  Lakeland over STA, Evangel Chr. over Graceville, Port St. Joe over Ft. Meade
     

    When 2 Polk Schools play for the title - 17% win rate

    1973:  Haines City over Atlantic, Blountstown over Ft. Meade
    1991:  Santa Fe over Haines City, Jefferson County over Frostproof
    1993:  Bolles over Lake Wales, Baker County over Ft. Meade
    2003:  Armwood over Lake Gibson, Trinity Chr. over Ft. Meade
    2006:  Lakeland over STA, FAMU over Victory Chr.
    2008:  STA over Lakeland, North Florida Chr over Ft. Meade

    Lakeland and Lake Wales should be afraid, VERY afraid, lol. @VeniceIndiansFootball & @Dan in Daytona

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