h8r

even a h8r can agree with this.....
nil and transfer portal killing college football programs, which in turn are kicking high school recruiting in the teeth and high school transfers are following suit.  
dam shame

even a h8r can agree with this.....
nil and transfer portal killing college football programs, which in turn are kicking high school recruiting in the teeth and high school transfers are following suit.  
dam shame

You have a valid argument but it is diminished when you exaggerate the facts.  I don't know how many transfers they got but will agree it was alot.  However, I think they only had 2   5-star players on the entire roster with Williams (WR) not being a transfer where McClain moved across town.   I am not bashing Venice for doing it nor Lakeland as I do realize if you want to compete for a title year in and year out that is unfortunately baked in.  Again I am a strong supporter of the 1 year sit rule as it would without a doubt curb the majority of this type of movement as I wholeheartedly believe more teams would have a crack at the top every 10-15 years.  And yes, our team also benefits from this movement to some extent in our county but my preference would be for it to stop.   However, it is pointless to continue to criticize the enviroment you are in knowing the change you want isn't happening as opposed to adapting to create that winning culture over time to make your team competitive with the best. 

I dont know what is the point of stacking a HS team with cherry picked players from other teams?  I mean of course you will beat everybody who uses only players from their zone (that they can hang on to).  To me, the joy of high school ball is your school rises and falls depending upon the group of kids you have moving through your program any given four year period.  Once in a while you will get a very special group that puts in a run for your team that will be remembered and talked about for years.  That shit doesnt happen anymore now that teams just get transfers in.  The rich stay rich and poor stay poor.  How can you feel good about each year when its done with transfers instead of kids moving through your program?  I hate it but I know I'm preaching to the choir here but of course there are those on this board that want to win 100-0 with these transfers over your decimated team.  That part I will never understand.

Yet another example of why all the cheater teams should be in the same class and let them beat each other up.  

while the 11 kids on the field matter most, so does the school population,
when there are 11 more kids on the sideline that are of similar ability and 11 more that are close to that ability and 11 more and 11 more, now you have 50+ varsity kids that are of similar ability.  
if the school population of A isnt nearly as high B, then you have much less to choose from.  
4000 kids, half boys (2000), half are athletes (1000) and 10% play football, 100.  2 teams (JV, V),
50 kids in each.
2000 kids, half boys (1000), half are athletes (500) and 10% play football, 50. 2 teams (JV,V),
25 kids in each.
school population DOES matter.  
Well recruit your halls better is going to be someones answer.....
Football is hard, the commitment is even harder, its hot, its 10,11 month commitment, its all summer, its playing a 2nd sport to get better, etc.  
Every kid isnt a football player, go to any high school gym and watch a basketball game.  or boys volleyball game.  almost all of those kids could help school B out, 1000%.  but, If I can run up and down the court in AC, not lift nearly as much weight(messes up my jumper-says every high school BBall kid) and just take 22ft shots for a couple hours, why would he go out and do bag drills and cone drills and catch passes and put on equipment and hurt and sweat, etc.  
putting small schools with bigger schools is a complete disadvantage to many of them.  
take this district, ocoee, west orange and jones absolutely demolish everyone here.....
District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)
 
orangewood christian and trinity prep have zero business in this district.  foundation would put up a fight in some years, but they to have no business here.  horizon is still in infant stages of its opening. 
west orange has 3000 kids, ocoee too.  jones is close to 2k, with a plethora of talent in their area.
im not saying fair or not fair, thats ignorance.  but whats the point of ocoee playing trinity prep?  running clock in 1st qtr?  
 
I dont see the point of having the 7th place teams in a district playing extra weeks of football just for participation reasons.....thats exactly why the classes were introduced......
to play against similar size opponents, so 1 school doesnt have 100 on the sideline and the other has 25....
 
 

In other words, it's like the billboards say:  Size matters.    
My wife told me the same thing . . . but she married me anyway. 

while the 11 kids on the field matter most, so does the school population,
when there are 11 more kids on the sideline that are of similar ability and 11 more that are close to that ability and 11 more and 11 more, now you have 50+ varsity kids that are of similar ability.  
if the school population of A isnt nearly as high B, then you have much less to choose from.  
4000 kids, half boys (2000), half are athletes (1000) and 10% play football, 100.  2 teams (JV, V),
50 kids in each.
2000 kids, half boys (1000), half are athletes (500) and 10% play football, 50. 2 teams (JV,V),
25 kids in each.
school population DOES matter.  
Well recruit your halls better is going to be someones answer.....
Football is hard, the commitment is even harder, its hot, its 10,11 month commitment, its all summer, its playing a 2nd sport to get better, etc.  
Every kid isnt a football player, go to any high school gym and watch a basketball game.  or boys volleyball game.  almost all of those kids could help school B out, 1000%.  but, If I can run up and down the court in AC, not lift nearly as much weight(messes up my jumper-says every high school BBall kid) and just take 22ft shots for a couple hours, why would he go out and do bag drills and cone drills and catch passes and put on equipment and hurt and sweat, etc.  
putting small schools with bigger schools is a complete disadvantage to many of them.  
take this district, ocoee, west orange and jones absolutely demolish everyone here.....
District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)
 
orangewood christian and trinity prep have zero business in this district.  foundation would put up a fight in some years, but they to have no business here.  horizon is still in infant stages of its opening. 
west orange has 3000 kids, ocoee too.  jones is close to 2k, with a plethora of talent in their area.
im not saying fair or not fair, thats ignorance.  but whats the point of ocoee playing trinity prep?  running clock in 1st qtr?  
 
I dont see the point of having the 7th place teams in a district playing extra weeks of football just for participation reasons.....thats exactly why the classes were introduced......
to play against similar size opponents, so 1 school doesnt have 100 on the sideline and the other has 25....
 
 

You are 100% correct, you were in the room and I was not but what you are now describing is a whole separate issue than your original statement that not a single player made all county.   We both know 3 of your players in fact did.  

Again Coach, congrats on a successful season and as always I respect your opinion on HS football matters.  However, your best player Perry Garrett actually made first team all county, not as a WR or RB or DB but as an athlete who could do it all just like you utilized him.  He was one of your 3 players that did shine in that senior game.  Your RB Davrell made 2nd team all county, as like Perry was a back-up on our team so who should they have kept off the 1st team?  Taevion, the 2 very good RB's from Harmony?  You and I both know that would not be just.  Lastly, you probably have a good argument for your QB statistically plus leadership and other factors but he also made the 2nd team.  I don't get a vote or have a dog in the hunt but still not sure why they gave the 1st team honor to the SC QB.  If it was based on the stats your kid had a few hundred yards more thru the air and was better as a runner.  But if that was the overriding factor they should have given it to Sabby from Toho as he had over 1000 more yards than either and he only got an honorable mention.  Remember, all year I hammered Toho not for their strength of schedule but for running up scores on those inferior teams.   At years end their strength of schedule was a -2 while yours was a -19, so that may have also been a factor.   So factually all three of your players you say were passed over actually made either 1st team or 2nd team. 

Man this thread is insane.  No running clock?  For real?  You actually think a 70-0 score is robbing kids of reps vs a 100-0 score?  Do you have any feelings at all for the kids getting curb stomped? Do you have any idea how it feels to be on the receiving end of a beating from a team with players plundered from your own team?  I do know what this feels like and it sucks beyond all measure for those poor kids who put in four years of work only to see their best player cherry picked by the crosstown rival who's putting together a stacked team for a playoff run.  I know I'm not changing any minds here so I'm just venting but damn guys, have a heart at least.  These are still kids.

indiana basketball used to be 1 class, idk anymore.
wrestling i think still is 1 class-32 man tourney win friday night you advance to saturday 16 man bracket.  lose and go home.  caused for some serious matches on friday just to survive and advance.
texas has no running clock.  why stats and scores from texas are outrageous. some real good teams, but the avg to below are just plain awful.
1 state champ wont ever work, not enough money not enough weeks in season to have a big enough bracket to do it.  if you took top 16, your leaving out some teams that would well be deserving to get a chance to play.  
im sure someone here could post the top 16 teams in the state and not everyone one of the smart guys here would agree on top 16.  and with that, who chooses whos top 16?  coaches poll?  admin?  fhsaa? maxpreps?  regardless, someone would hate that 2 and it would be a mistake and a joke and stupid and blah blah.
cant make everyone happy, shouldnt even try too.  everyone gets a trophy, everyone needs a hug, everyone needs reassurance that your 2-8 team is deserving to play in the tournament, because you only lost to "insert powerhouse here" 56-6 and they beat everyone much worse......
 
 

indiana basketball used to be 1 class, idk anymore.
wrestling i think still is 1 class-32 man tourney win friday night you advance to saturday 16 man bracket.  lose and go home.  caused for some serious matches on friday just to survive and advance.
texas has no running clock.  why stats and scores from texas are outrageous. some real good teams, but the avg to below are just plain awful.
1 state champ wont ever work, not enough money not enough weeks in season to have a big enough bracket to do it.  if you took top 16, your leaving out some teams that would well be deserving to get a chance to play.  
im sure someone here could post the top 16 teams in the state and not everyone one of the smart guys here would agree on top 16.  and with that, who chooses whos top 16?  coaches poll?  admin?  fhsaa? maxpreps?  regardless, someone would hate that 2 and it would be a mistake and a joke and stupid and blah blah.
cant make everyone happy, shouldnt even try too.  everyone gets a trophy, everyone needs a hug, everyone needs reassurance that your 2-8 team is deserving to play in the tournament, because you only lost to "insert powerhouse here" 56-6 and they beat everyone much worse......
 
 

UCF would be a good option.  As I watched the Cure Bowl from Orlando on Friday, I thought the game site, Exploria Stadium (home of Orlando City soccer) would also be a great place for the championship games.  Central location, 25,000 capacity.  But guess they would rather host a meaningless bowl game than 9 high school football games.

if only all the games were played in 1 central location so people could spend a weekend watching all the excitement.  
having to drive to tally from naples or from penscola to ft lauderdale, is a complete travesty to the fans.....while daytona and that small stadium and no parking was a joke, why wouldnt the fhsaa try like heck to get ucf stadium....its in central part of state, 3 hrs or so from each end.  the citrus bowl was too big and Im sure they asked for a gazillion dollars to host and parking downton orlando isnt very much fun, 10k people in that staidum made it look empty, but 10k at the bounce house and its  jumping pretty dang good.
oh well.  

if only all the games were played in 1 central location so people could spend a weekend watching all the excitement.  
having to drive to tally from naples or from penscola to ft lauderdale, is a complete travesty to the fans.....while daytona and that small stadium and no parking was a joke, why wouldnt the fhsaa try like heck to get ucf stadium....its in central part of state, 3 hrs or so from each end.  the citrus bowl was too big and Im sure they asked for a gazillion dollars to host and parking downton orlando isnt very much fun, 10k people in that staidum made it look empty, but 10k at the bounce house and its  jumping pretty dang good.
oh well.  

if only all the games were played in 1 central location so people could spend a weekend watching all the excitement.  
having to drive to tally from naples or from penscola to ft lauderdale, is a complete travesty to the fans.....while daytona and that small stadium and no parking was a joke, why wouldnt the fhsaa try like heck to get ucf stadium....its in central part of state, 3 hrs or so from each end.  the citrus bowl was too big and Im sure they asked for a gazillion dollars to host and parking downton orlando isnt very much fun, 10k people in that staidum made it look empty, but 10k at the bounce house and its  jumping pretty dang good.
oh well.  

One last fact. Lakeland was the biggest recruiters and cheaters and were busted which led to crazy state rep messing with the fhsaa and high schools. Just telling the truth here. Go Venice 

Fun fact about PLOK county. Their state representative is what started this open enrollment crap that ruined hs sports with easy transfers. Another fun fact, they somehow got their county and lee put in the suburban when their population is bigger than other metro counties and pulled the old switcheroo between the first proposal and the one that actually passed to dodge st Thomas Aquinas and other metro teams. Screw them and I hope Venice beats them by thirty. 

Robin, Our Lone State Championship was in 1998 under Coach Scible and it featured Willie Green out of the I-formation.  With an athletic, big QB (Bobby Sippio) available to run and throw that was hard to defend.  I love Coach Nick but his brilliant Single-Wing has zero championships in 4 attempts.  But I guess you must be right to continue doing the things you have always done and expect a different outcome.  Think they have a name for that but at my advanced age I forget.  Just Saying.

while I agree with the opening it up more,
but riddle me this batman, the games lost, wasnt it due to interceptions/turnovers by the offense?  maybe Im wrong,
but
that ancient offense that coach Nichols ran, sure did alot of damage vs almost everyone.  
nobody runs that 1970s offesne anymore and similar to single wing, which apk, coach rolson,  is a testament to this, as is Coach Darlington at 1st year deland, who almost beat ohs,
you cant prepare for it in 3 days.....timing, execution angle blocks, etc.
what beats that boring offense that CAN open up when needed-see Ty Ensor comment- is jimmies and joes.  not xs and os.  doesnt matter what offense or defense you run, if my dudes are better, then you get your face kicked in or win by 1, 
i say that if the cowboys with the K ran the flexbone last year vs west orange, they would have won.
i can also see the state champ wrestler being a triple option qb that would thrive in that offense, him and swint on the edge in a triple look, good friggin luck stopping that.  throw in the dudes at db/wr that yall got and you cant line up 8 in the box to stop it.....
open it up and start looking just like everyone else.  which isnt easy to prep for, but is easier if you see it every week.
just sayin
h8r

i dont think anythings "wrong" with it.
but 
travel is a bit of a problem....
and someone on pg 2 said there isnt a difference between 2500 and 4000 kids, and those 4 or 5 schools that nobodys ever heard of
thats not the issue, 
but go to a 2500 kid school and pick out the boys, (on avg half are boys)  1250 to choose from.
if its a true 10 % of boys that play football, thats 125, compared to 200.......
but its never that many.
say its 5% play football, thats 60ish for the 2500 school and 100ish for the 4000 school.
now is there 60 dogs who can whoop on 100, absoltfreakinglootley.  happens yearly.  
but,
if im a coach, and i have 100 kids to choose from and run 9th, jv and varsity programs, and can develop those 100 kids in the weight room, the track, during the summer every year for 4 years, bet you that my 100or so kids will get gooder than your 60 or so, who probabaly play varsity and 20 or so play jv and 6qtr just to fill out the squad.
my 100 kids
i can rotate kids in at practice, i can utilize every single athlete possible at special teams, i can send a dude deep on play 1, rotate a kid in and do it on play 2, 3,4,5 and you have 1 corner, I have 5 kids that will run your db legs off 5 straight plays,  whos got the advantage???
dont think its that big a deal,
I watched miami play north carolina 1 year and miami was avg at best, but had some track stars play football(go figure right).  play 1, 4 verts, play 2, 3 verts and out, swing by rb, play 3, 4 verts, touchdown.  they changed personel, 3 times,  NC had 1 backend guy come off on play 3, as he ran 60 yds 2 plays in arow.....and they gave up  a tuddy.....why, because my jimmies and joes are better than yours.  and my back ups are 2.  my back up back ups are so much better than your 2s or 3s its crazy.  more people to choose from vs lesser, you will find 1 dude out of the pack that is pretty dang good.  
lesser classes sure,  6 is plenty.  travel is an issue if you do it right, its not.  champs and runners up make it.  winning record is a prerequeiste(sic) to making playoffs.  no 5-5, your not in.  
still dont like seeing small school in east seminole county have to go to small school on west lake county.  7pm game and leave at noon to get there in time(im kidding, but not by much).
thats why there were 8 classes before the divide by the idiots in power.  and the all mighty dollar.
 

Ray, I think they call it sarcasm... tongue in cheek

Polk County has 700k+ people
 
Baker County has 28k people
 
Are you really trying to say Baker County in that 28k county population has 30-40 FBS players to compete with Central? It doesn't matter if they played the top 10 nationally ranked teams for 10 years straight, they will never just get enough jimmy and Joes to suddenly compete with a team that is pulling from the deepest talent pool in the entire country 
 
So Jacksonville don't get transfers? I literally proved this a year ago
 
Are you hearing yourself?

2500 is no different than 4000 some of the worst teams in the state have 2500-4000 in enrollment. There are teams with 400 that would put a running clock on teams with 4000. Some not all