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8/4/21 Update:
Not much progress- I'm about 20% through my second pass of Maxpreps and the schedules are still a cluster@#%$.
Check this one out:
Central Florida Christian Academy
27-Aug Oasis 27-Aug Mount Dora Christian Academy27-Aug St. Petersburg Catholic3-Sep Victory Charter School3-Sep St. Petersburg Catholic10-Sep Cornerstone Charter Academy24-Sep Bishop McLaughlin Catholic24-Sep St. Joseph Academy1-Oct Bishop McLaughlin Catholic1-Oct St. Edward's1-Oct Gateway Charter8-Oct Cocoa Beach8-Oct Cedar Creek Christian15-Oct Bell Creek Academy15-Oct Cedar Creek Christian15-Oct Santa Fe Catholic22-Oct Bell Creek AcademySeriously?
Yes I do complain a lot. Back in my day, one of two things happened when we had complainers such as myself:
1) The "squeaky" wheel got the oil. And Management resolved the problem.
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2) The "complainer" was assigned the task of resolving the problem.
Unfortunately, in today's world, this "problem" will go unsolved because:
The lack of accurate schedules is not viewed as a "problem" because no one has assigned an associated monetary impact to this issue. Does anyone want to take a shot at estimating lost revenue due to faulty schedules?
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Darter, as we discussed many times before. I’d love to take a crack at it. I have to put them all together anyway. I just don’t have the school contact clout and authority. I’m retired so I’ll take minimum wage. Just waiting for somebody to please contact me.
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With only seven weeks remaining until Kick-off Classic weekend, I'm starting to get antsy about the limited amount football schedules we are seeing. Taking a look at the progress shown on Max Preps' website, I checked out Florida's 560+ teams to see what was up. This is what I've found.
124 schools (about 1/4) have 10 game schedules with no conflicts.
45 schools show they are playing multiple opponents on the same day. Subsequently, this affects another 90 schools who are listed as opponents on those dates. 45 are correct and 45 will be incorrect. The biggest culprits are Island Coast, Lehigh, Lafayette and Keswick Christian but there are 41 other schools also playing two teams at the same time.
18 schools do not have any games scheduled (Some of these are new and some may not be playing 11 man football this year)
12 schools have only 1 game scheduled
29 schools have only 2 games scheduled
31 schools have only 3 games scheduled
45 schools have only 4 games scheduled
32 schools have only 5 games scheduled
Not counting the 18 teams with no games, this leaves 149 schools with less than 5 games scheduled.
In summary, we have a long way to go in a very short time. Schools need to get crankin' and MaxPreps needs to get their site updated and cleaned up in a hurry.
One would think, maybe it's time to look at this as a business, because it is. I know if my company didn't know where it was going 50 days from now, heads would roll. Including mine.
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22 hours ago, Joshua Wilson said:
This should help you out as to what direction these teams are going in.
All Saints - SSAC 8-Man
American Collegiate - non-FHSAA 11-man
Clearwater Academy - non-FHSAA 11-man
Haines City - FHSAA had left them off the list... will be independent
Hillel - Not sure... will have to find out
Inlet Grove - Didn't even field a football team in 2021... may not be ever again. Will have to talk to Chris Kokell and see if he knows anything.
Jordan Christian Prep - non-FHSAA 11-man
Joshua Christian - non-FHSAA 11-man (they struggled in 2020... not sure if they could end up 8-man)
Lighthouse PCA - non-FHSAA 11-man
Northwest Christian - Not sure what is going on here
St. John Lutheran - SSAC 8-man
St. Johns Country Day - SSAC 8-man
Surge Academy - non-FHSAA 11-man
Tampa Bay Christian - Not sure what is going on here with them.... might be 8-man, might be 11-man.... no telling
TRU Prep - non-FHSAA 11-man
West Oaks - non-FHSAA 11-man
YKIM - non-FHSAA 11-man
Zarephath Academy - non-FHSAA 11-man
Thank You Joshua!
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A review of the recently released 21-22 football classifications raises the following questions:
1) Mulberry is listed twice. Shows as 3A but also as an Independent
2) The following schools are not listed. Most would be Independents but Haines City?
All Saints'
American Collegiate (Clearwater)
Clearwater Academy International
Haines City
Hillel (North Miami Beach)
Inlet Grove (Riviera Beach)
Jordan Christian Prep (Auburndale)
Joshua Christian (Jacksonville)
Lighthouse Private Christian Academy (Pensacola)
Northwest Christian (Miami)
St. John Lutheran (Ocala)
St. Johns Country Day (Orange Park)
Surge Academy (Hollywood)
Tampa Bay Christian
TRU Prep (Miami Gardens)
West Oaks Academy (Orlando)
Young Kids In Motion (Jacksonville)
Zarephath Academy (Jacksonville)
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gatorman-uf,
I'd like to see it but I doubt it would be possible. Very few if any of these small schools will ever be household names.
What I would really like to see is a leveling of the playing field. The current structure has become so imbalanced that we have been seeing the same top teams from all division’s year in and year out. There are numerous reasons but I believe changes need to be made to keep it interesting.
FBS - Must expand the playoff field to at least 8 teams immediately. This would help other schools by giving them something to play for and give other schools a chance to recruit better talent. Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson and a few others overwhelmingly win the recruiting war each year. This is not going to get better. Under the current format only half of the FBS programs have a "mathematical" chance to win a National Title because G5 schools are basically excluded. This should be outlawed.
FCS - Must be eliminated. This would require an NCAA change in policy. In 1995 the NCAA mandated that any school playing D1 basketball must also play football at the D1 level. This has created a huge imbalance in the talent level of FCS teams. There are many programs playing FCS (1AA) football that should be playing D2 or D3 football. They just cannot compete. What they do get is a huge financial gain for playing FBS programs during the regular season. Obviously the $ is not being used to improve their football teams. I mean, should Miami be playing Central Connecticut State this year? Really? Who wants to watch that? Basketball schools such Butler and Georgetown most likely make use of the money elsewhere. They are never going to be football powers. On the flip side, there are several FCS schools that should be playing FBS football. North Dakota St, South Dakota St, James Madison, Northern Iowa and a dozen or so others, can easily hold their own against most of the Top 75 programs in FBS. This division actually makes no sense and needs to be dismantled. You are either D1 or you are not.
D2 - Has had various champions over the years and there is not much room for improvement other that the fact there needs to be more out of conference matchups during the regular season. Several conferences play only within the conference until the post season.
D3 - Consisting of nearly 250 schools, dominated by 20 or 30 teams that actually take football seriously. D3 is basically glorified "Club Ball." Most of the teams are slightly better than decent high school teams. IMG, St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami Central would probably compete for the national title every year. There are no athletic scholarships awarded at the D3 level.
NAIA - Roughly 90 schools. Slightly better overall than NCAA D3 teams. The Top programs are equivalent to the Top teams in D3. Personally, I would like to see more conferences. For example, The Mid-South Conference consisted of 22 teams in 3 divisions.
Other than that, everything is just "peachy."
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NCAA D1 FBS Tarleton St (TX) -FCS vs. New Mexico St -FBS NCAA D1 FCS South Dakota St vs. Northern Iowa Lincoln (MO) -D2 vs. Nicholls St (LA) Sam Houston St vs. Incarnate Word (TX) Illinois St vs. Missouri St Samford (AL) vs. East Tennessee St Northwestern St (LA) vs. Lamar (TX) Southern Illinois vs. North Dakota Morehead St (KY) vs. James Madison (VA) Davidson (NC) vs. Elon (NC) Western Carolina vs. Furman (SC) Mercer (GA) vs. Wofford (SC) Jacksonville St (AL) vs. Tennessee St Edward Waters (FL) -D2 vs. Jackson St (MS) Youngstown St (OH) vs. North Dakota St Eastern Illinois vs. Tennessee-Martin Murray St (KY) vs. SE Missouri St NCAA D3 Hardin-Simmons (TX) vs. Sul Ross St (TX) Whitworth (WA) vs. Pacific Lutheran (WA) Birmingham Southern (AL) vs. Centre (KY) Louisiana College vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (TX) Rhodes (TN) vs. Berry (GA) McMurry (TX) vs. Howard Payne (TX) Hendrix (AR) vs. Trinity (TX) Belhaven (MS) vs. Southwestern (TX) Brevard (NC) vs. Huntingdon (AL) Millsaps (MS) vs. Austin (TX) NAIA Roosevelt (IL) vs. St Francis (IL) (Wed.) Lindsey Wilson (KY) vs. Georgetown (KY) Pikeville (KY) vs. Bethel (TN) Campbellsville (KY) vs. Thomas More (KY) Reinhardt (GA) vs. St Andrews (NC) Langston (OK) vs. Arizona Christian Trinity International (IL) vs. Lawrence Tech (MI) Indiana Wesleyan vs. Olivet Nazarene (IL) Cumberland (TN) vs. Cumberlands (KY) Point University (GA) vs. Faulkner (AL) Bluefield (VA) vs. Kentucky Christian Wayland Baptist (TX) vs. Panhandle St (OK) St Xavier (IL) vs. Roosevelt (IL) St Francis (IL) vs. St Ambrose (IA) -
Die hard college football fans will be happy to see this:
The college football spring season began last weekend and will continue into May of 2021. The magnitude of teams participating may shock some people.
There are 299 colleges scheduled to play over 760 games throughout the spring.
FBS - 1 team (New Mexico St)
FCS - 96 teams
NCAA D2 - 52 teams
NCAA D3 - 103 teams
NAIA - 47 teams
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FOUND ANOTHER ONE-
ScoreStream had the Coral Gables vs. South Dade score reversed.
Actual Final was South Dade 14, Coral Gables 3
I watched the highlight video to verify.
Here's a rare case where MaxPreps had it correct.
Unacceptable.
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So sorry but I haven't logged on in a while as I had to attend to some personal issues. The South Florida score reporting was a complete disaster this year. I'd like to blame it all on Covid but even it can't shoulder the entire blame. As usual it appears nobody is "responsible" for score reporting and score reporting accuracy. This is ridiculous. Like the rest of you I scour the internet each and every weekend to get scores. ScoreStream, MaxPreps, On line newspapers, etc.
On average there are 10-15 games per week that simply cannot be found anywhere. In the past, when schools provided the FHSAA with results, it would take maybe 4-5 days at the most for them to get the "stragglers" posted. It was still a pain in the a$$ but I could work with it. I had to.
Now we have this MP site that has been given responsibility for maintaining everything and it simply doesn't get the job done. I'm absolutely positive MP is not entirely to blame but scores can trickle in for several weeks after games are played. This is unacceptable. As Nolesbull said It's 2021! There is only one way to solve it and it must be maintained by the governing body.
Force schools to report the scores. Failure to do so results in a forfeit. End of story.
Now, as a result of Nolesbull's post, I went back through MaxPreps and found several results that must have been entered way after the games were played. I must assume these are accurate and will update my records accordingly.
All of these are from south Florida:
Booker T Washington 32, Miami Norland 7 Coral Reef 35, Miami Beach 0 Goleman 12, Surge Academy 0 Goleman 35, Miami Springs 0 Hallandale 8, Piper 0 John I Leonard 10, Village Academy 0 Jupiter 34, Park Vista 0 Miami Jackson 12, Southwest Miami 10 Miami Springs 50, Miami Beach 0 North Miami Beach 39, Miami Jackson 0 Northeast (Oakland Park) 38, Pompano Beach 7 Palm Beach Central 46, Taravella 0 Pembroke Pines Charter 45, Taravella 6 Pine Crest 21, LaSalle 0 Somerset Silver Palms 42, Everglades Prep 0 South Broward 12, Cooper City 0 South Dade 16, Southwest Miami 6 Also, here is another which I found and laughed at but believe it or not, MP actually has it posted just like this:
Coconut Creek 40, Pembroke Pines Charter 0 (OT)
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Sorry to hear that, brother. I have friends going through the same thing with their relatives. Prayers.
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On my site.
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Yes. It was.
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Here are the inter-classification results for this crazy, mixed up year:
897 games played containing schools representing different classifications.
In those contests the smaller classed schools won 377 (42%) and the larger classed schools won 520 (58%).
Here is the breakdown:
IND vs 1A 5 - 17 0.227 vs 2A 26 - 52 0.333 vs 3A 23 - 25 0.479 vs 4A 7 - 18 0.280 vs 5A 5 - 16 0.238 vs 6A 6 - 12 0.333 vs 7A 5 - 19 0.208 vs 8A 4 - 14 0.222 Total 81 - 173 0.319 1A vs Ind 17 - 5 0.773 vs 2A 11 - 14 0.440 vs 3A 10 - 7 0.588 vs 4A 17 - 13 0.567 vs 5A 3 - 8 0.273 vs 6A 2 - 1 0.667 vs 7A 1 - 0 1.000 vs 8A 0 - 1 0.000 Total 61 - 49 0.555 2A vs Ind 52 - 26 0.667 vs 1A 14 - 11 0.560 vs 3A 8 - 20 0.286 vs 4A 7 - 7 0.500 vs 5A 2 - 6 0.250 vs 6A 0 - 2 0.000 vs 7A 4 - 4 0.500 vs 8A 0 - 1 0.000 Total 87 - 77 0.530 3A vs Ind 25 - 23 0.521 vs 1A 7 - 10 0.412 vs 2A 20 - 8 0.714 vs 4A 12 - 23 0.343 vs 5A 17 - 15 0.531 vs 6A 20 - 7 0.741 vs 7A 6 - 3 0.667 vs 8A 2 - 3 0.400 Total 109 - 92 0.542 4A vs Ind 18 - 7 0.720 vs 1A 13 - 17 0.433 vs 2A 7 - 7 0.500 vs 3A 23 - 12 0.657 vs 5A 22 - 15 0.595 vs 6A 12 - 8 0.600 vs 7A 7 - 7 0.500 vs 8A 1 - 0 1.000 Total 103 - 73 0.585 5A vs Ind 16 - 5 0.762 vs 1A 8 - 3 0.727 vs 2A 6 - 2 0.750 vs 3A 15 - 17 0.469 vs 4A 15 - 22 0.405 vs 6A 33 - 47 0.413 vs 7A 18 - 38 0.321 vs 8A 9 - 13 0.409 Total 120 - 147 0.449 6A vs Ind 12 - 6 0.667 vs 1A 1 - 2 0.333 vs 2A 2 - 0 1.000 vs 3A 7 - 20 0.259 vs 4A 8 - 12 0.400 vs 5A 47 - 33 0.588 vs 7A 35 - 35 0.500 vs 8A 14 - 22 0.389 Total 126 - 130 0.492 7A vs Ind 19 - 5 0.792 vs 1A 0 - 1 0.000 vs 2A 4 - 4 0.500 vs 3A 3 - 6 0.333 vs 4A 7 - 7 0.500 vs 5A 38 - 18 0.679 vs 6A 35 - 35 0.500 vs 8A 23 - 27 0.460 Total 129 - 103 0.556 8A vs Ind 14 - 4 0.778 vs 1A 1 - 0 1.000 vs 2A 1 - 0 1.000 vs 3A 3 - 2 0.600 vs 4A 0 - 1 0.000 vs 5A 13 - 9 0.591 vs 6A 22 - 14 0.611 vs 7A 27 - 23 0.540 Total 81 - 53 0.604 TOTAL 897 - 897 0.500 Higher 520 - 377 0.580 Lower 377 - 520 0.420 -
1 hour ago, Nulli Secundus said:
Co-champions Southridge (Dade) Evans (Orange), Clewiston (Hendry), Jefferson were awarded half a point. That's where the discrepancy is.
Exactly Nulli. A lot of people don’t like the 1/2 a title thing. I understand why but I’m a believer that no championship game should have ever ended in a tie. I believe you can’t give the full benefit of a state championship to the teams that tied because they did not prove they were better than every other team in their classification.
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Sorry about the above post. Site is not allowing me to post pics any more because they exceed 3.16Kb.
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2020 TOTAL PUBLIC PRIVATE County Population Titles/1K Titles Runner Up Appearances Titles Runner Up Appearances Titles Runner Up Appearances Category Palm Beach 1,510,660 0.0199 30 31 61 18 14 32 12 17 29 Super 1,000,000 and up Dade 2,719,030 0.0167 45.5 22 68 38.5 12 51 7 10 17 Broward 1,959,450 0.0163 32 25 57 6 9 15 26 16 42 Hillsborough 1,492,020 0.0074 11 21 32 10 17 27 1 4 5 Orange 1,405,360 0.0046 6.5 13 20 4.5 11 16 2 2 4 Duval 966,858 0.0331 32 20 52 4 7 11 28 13 41 Extra Lg 500,000 to 999,999 Brevard 608,681 0.0230 14 7 21 14 7 21 0 0 0 Polk 742,957 0.0229 17 25 42 15 22 37 2 3 5 Volusia 560,467 0.0018 1 4 5 1 1 2 0 3 3 Pasco 568,804 0.0018 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 Pinellas 976,934 0.0000 0 10 10 0 5 5 0 5 5 Lee 786,684 0.0000 0 3 3 0 1 1 0 2 2 Escambia 321,528 0.0373 12 8 20 12 7 19 0 1 1 Large 300,000 to 499,999 Manatee 412,119 0.0194 8 6 14 8 6 14 0 0 0 Marion 372,096 0.0161 6 4 10 4 2 6 2 2 4 Collier 391,603 0.0077 3 3 6 3 3 6 0 0 0 Sarasota 441,155 0.0068 3 3 6 2 3 5 1 0 1 Seminole 475,530 0.0042 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 St.Lucie 336,169 0.0030 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Lake 377,516 0.0026 1 6 7 1 6 7 0 0 0 Osceola 383,046 0.0026 1 5 6 1 5 6 0 0 0 Leon 295,507 0.0711 21 13 34 13 10 23 8 3 11 Medium 150,000 to 299,999 Okaloosa 214,542 0.0419 9 8 17 9 8 17 0 0 0 Alachua 269,235 0.0149 4 5 9 4 5 9 0 0 0 St.Johns 275,530 0.0145 4 6 10 4 6 10 0 0 0 Santa Rosa 189,331 0.0106 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Indian River 162,659 0.0061 1 1 2 1 0 1 0 1 1 Bay 163,170 0.0061 1 4 5 1 4 5 0 0 0 Clay 222,596 0.0045 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Hernando 197,258 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Charlotte 192,971 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Martin 161,258 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Citrus 151,632 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Highlands 107,509 0.0186 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Small 50,000 to 149,999 Sumter 136,121 0.0147 2 3 5 2 3 5 0 0 0 Columbia 72,704 0.0138 1 2 3 1 2 3 0 0 0 Putnam 74,999 0.0133 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Walton 77,410 0.0129 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Flagler 118,077 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nassau 91,314 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Monroe 73,699 0.0000 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Suwannee 44,655 0.0896 4 2 6 4 2 6 0 0 0 Minature 20,000 to 49,999 Bradford 28,650 0.0698 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Wakulla 35,065 0.0570 2 3 5 2 3 5 0 0 0 Taylor 21,593 0.0463 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Jackson 44,716 0.0447 2 3 5 2 3 5 0 0 0 Levy 42,208 0.0237 1 2 3 1 2 3 0 0 0 Gadsden 45,393 0.0220 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Hendry 42,708 0.0117 0.5 6 7 0.5 6 7 0 0 0 Okeechobee 42,682 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 DeSoto 38,634 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Baker 30,067 0.0000 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Hardee 26,706 0.0000 0 3 3 0 3 3 0 0 0 Washington 26,153 0.0000 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Jefferson 14,171 0.3881 5.5 0 6 5.5 0 6 0 0 0 Tiny 1 to 19,999 Gulf 11,132 0.3593 4 3 7 4 3 7 0 0 0 Madison 18,446 0.2711 5 5 10 5 5 10 0 0 0 Calhoun 13,667 0.2195 3 4 7 3 4 7 0 0 0 Union 15,146 0.1981 3 2 5 3 2 5 0 0 0 Lafayette 8,153 0.1227 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Gilchrist 18,880 0.1059 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Franklin 12,574 0.0795 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 Holmes 19,791 0.0505 1 2 3 1 2 3 0 0 0 Liberty 8,281 0.0000 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Glades 13,936 0.0000 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Hamilton 14,594 0.0000 0 2 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 Dixie 16,967 0.0000 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 - Rattlin Steele and peezy28
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Here's how my schedule strength rankings stack up for the 5A-8A teams still alive in the FHSAA playoffs. Let's see if it makes a difference. Especially for the undefeated and one loss schools with the weaker schedules thus far.
5A In Class State American Heritage 2 4 Rickards 8 74 Jesuit 13 101 Dunnellon 40 269 6A Miami Central 1 15 Palmetto 13 85 St. Augustine 15 89 Lake Minneola 44 191 7A St. Thomas Aquinas 1 3 Edgewater 2 5 Bloomingdale 19 72 Niceville 26 111 8A Apopka 4 16 Seminole 5 18 Miami Palmetto 6 19 Osceola 23 148 -
OK. I've done my best at this. Going over the past 10 seasons and looking at 400+ schools that do not play on neutral sites (ie Traz Powell, etc.). I have come to the conclusion that there is a home field advantage, albeit ever so slight.
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As I tried to explain a year ago, over the past 20 seasons our games are getting less competitive and less interesting. I've gone back and looked at the 53,000 + games played from 2001 to our current point in 2020. Should something be done? Our games on average are simply not very attractive unless you have a family friend or relative participating.
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Nolebull813,
Did you have Zarapeth Academy on your list?
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Here are the worst programs of the 21st century. All of these schools have participated each year (2000 - present) and have less than a .250 winning pct.. They are consistently sub-bar. To Nolebull's point, notice how many of these teams are on OldSchoolLions' seven year list.
Leto (Tampa) Poinciana (Kissimmee) Spanish River (Boca Raton) Interlachen Stanton (Jacksonville) Miami Coral Park Cypress Creek (Orlando) Bronson Lecanto Forest Hill (WP Beach) Pine Ridge (Deltona) Lake Placid *Englewood (Jacksonville) comes in right at .250
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IMG (new program 2013) Lakeland St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) Armwood (Seffner) Madison County (Madison) Bolles (Jacksonville) Oxbridge - now defunct (2013-2017) St. Augustine Miami Central Naples Cocoa Plant (Tampa) Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens) Washington (Miami) American Heritage (Plantation) List includes on-field performance only.
Analysis of Maxpreps Team Schedule Progress
in The Huddle
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No Schedule at all for Blanche Ely.
One would think someone in So Fla has blown a gasket by now.