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When do they start coming out? And what exactly is the criteria being used?
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25 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
So Cocoa will sleepwalk to a title. SMH. The last couple years they had to work for it. Cardinal Gibbons doesn’t have an advantage over them.
Brevard and Polk County are considered suburban but the transfers are like the wild Wild West.
This new change seems to be losers from the cheap seats that are mad that talent isnt at their door step. That’s why Lakeland and Cocoa haven’t had issues competing. Because they utilize the rules allowing talent to flow to their programs, and that’s only possible because there is real talent in Polk and Brevard.
Losers from the cheap seats who weren’t gonna win anyways got to dictate the embarrassment of a state having only 500 teams but 9 classifications.
The top teams in 2S in the north are West Florida, Florida High, Godby, Wakulla, Baker County, North Marion traditionally. But I don't think those teams are on Cocoa's level currently.
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2S is the least competitive division. I don't see anyone coming close to Cocoa. Only a handful of teams in he north could give them a game as well.
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9 hours ago, Dr. D said:
Speaking of preseason rankings, MaxPreps has released its initial power ratings, which the FHSAA Power Rankings will be derived from. While I did not go through all 9 classifications, as an example, here are the 4S Top 15 rankings based on the MaxPreps power ratings:
1. Venice
2. Buchholz
3. Palmetto
4. Treasure Coast
5. Nease
6. Lehigh
7. Melbourne
8. Lake Gibson
9. Riverview
10. Bartram Trail
11. Osceola
12. Spruce Creek
13. Lakeland
14. University
15. Gulf BreezeWhile there are 11 weeks of games to allow for recalibration, it is also true that where you start can affect where you finish. Should we be confident that the FHSAA Power Rankings will be better than the previous RPI ranking system at effectively ranking teams for playoff seeding?
Just curious where or how you found those rankings? I could not find them
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5 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Yulee has quietly been picking up transfers in Nassau County
And of the teams you listed they are only above Atlantic Coast, Ponte Vedra and Jackson as I've said several times the tiers are not an exact order
I'm not releasing any rankings with the exact team order until August, until then teams in the same tier are teams with the Same ranking
Atlantic Coast has been good last few years but I think Sandalwood snatched a few of their kids, Ponte Vedra has been dropping hard the last few years, and Jackson is rising but they have in the past failed to keep teams from stealing their top players so I need to see that they are keeping talent together for them to break that stigma
Yulee picked up a bunch of transfer last season. They got 5-6 kids from Fernandina and still only won 4 games. They've picked up 1 kid from Fernandina this season and got a incoming freshman from there. I wouldn't say they've picked up a ton of top notch transfers. Their top kids are going to be seniors this year and it seems like they have a better coaching staff. I believe they will make the playoffs but I don't see them better than the stated teams.
My misunderstanding thought you had them higher. But I would think AC would beat Yulee. Sandalwood is always getting kids but never really does anything with them. I would still say Ponte Vedra, AC and Jackson would beat Yulee. But obviously these are all opinions.
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On 7/5/2022 at 11:24 AM, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Surprise double Tuesday, here's the northeast Florida tiers as well
Northeast Florida
Tier 1Trinity Christian
BollesTier 2
Mainland
St Augustine
Nease
Ed White
Tier 3Bartram Trail
Fleming Island
Sandalwood
Middleburg
University Christian
Creekside
Deland
Tier 4Yulee
Ribault
Terry Parker
Flagler Palm Coast
Oakleaf
Raines
Fletcher
Clay
Tier 5
Atlantic Coast
Terry Parker
Riverside
Andrew Jackson
Englewood
Ponte Vedra
Hilliard
West Nassau
Menendez
Keystone Heights
Bartram should be higher. Fleming has a ton of talent. We will see what they can do, could be a big year for them. I think you are severely over rating Yulee. They haven't won a playoff game since Derrick Henry and won 4 games last season. They will be better no doubt, but I couldn't have them above Raines, Clay, Fletcher, Flagler, Atlantic Coast, Ponte Vedra, even Jackson.
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1 hour ago, gatorman-uf said:
Never in a million years does he push Madison into their proper class based on size.
He is/was one of the most vocal proponents of the suburban/metro split.
Madison could go up to 2S and compete with Cocoa etc. They wouldn't have to play Bolles who they're scared of. But I doubt they would move up.
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1 hour ago, 561_Fan said:
When we had Boldin, no one came. When we dominated 2B with Janoris Jenkins (UF), Micanor Regis (UM), Martavious Odoms (Michigan), Vincent Smith (Michigan), Antone Smith (FSU), Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) no one came to play for Pahokee. Pahokee and Belle Glade do not have favorable perceptions in Palm Beach County (that’s an entirely different conversation), plus it’s about 30 miles from the closest city.
Pahokee and GC only get media coverage when we win state. Everything else is a small blip.
Didn't Chris Dunkley 5 Star WR transfer to Pahokee from Royal Palm Beach?
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2 hours ago, Jesse said:
Madison never had 100 kids, wewa problems, and other schools have 400 in 1a, 50 or 40 men rosters. Resources Madison is broke buddy, maybe them 1A teams need to schedule harder. Hawthorne schedule was garbage, they lucky Fleming left. He would have 5,000 yards against 1A schools running backwards.
Madison has had 100 kids out for football or dang close to it. And you might wanna look up the definition of resources buddy, doesn't always mean money. And Madison has just as much or more money as anyone in 1A pretty much. I think what's funny to me is you say Madison can play with or beat all these top teams in the state and then wanna rag on 1A teams. Madison can't beat those teams thats why they came down to 1A.
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13 hours ago, Jesse said:
1a schools have plenty of guys. The problem is it's hard to motivate kids when you don't have the funds or resources. But maybe it is more like they Don't care. Because in another sport madison struggles against 1a schools.
I don't think you can compare other sports. Football is the ultimate team game and take a lot of numbers and resources. Which Madison has being a bigger school. Thats why in college football its the same few schools winning all the time. And very rare for a small school to beat a big school. But with March Madness they have had Butlers and Davidson beat the big boys and make runs. You can't compare the other sports with football. And an FYI. Wewa who Madison played in the first round of the playoffs has an enrollment of around 230 students. If you cut that in half for boys means they have about 115 boys in their entire school while Madison has 100 kids on their team. Yeah that sounds really fair and similar competition.
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22 minutes ago, Football fan said:
What about we put madison in the SEC what would we call them smashmouth or crymouth?
Good one. You really got me there
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8 minutes ago, Jesse said:
Those schools choose to not participate. Plenty of guys in 1A schools. I would agree if it was like 100 kids total in schools. But it's 300 to 400. That's more than enough for 50 guys per 1a schools.
Jesse you're right a school of 400 if they had their program going right could have around 50 players. The problem is Madison will have 100 at the same rate. My point was just when the people on these committees keep pointing to 1A for competitive balance and make sure to say nothing is happening to 1A. I just don't think that's correct. Madison has dominated and the only teams able to challenge them have gotten in a ton of transfers. I don't think they have 1A right is what I would say. I like what some of the other posters have said about if you win you move up and if you're a losing program you move down.
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I just wanted to say this on the topic because I read a quote from a coach saying look at 1A and how great that is. As competitive balance is the main reason for the metro/suburban debate. But Madison County has won 4 out of 7 State Championships since they've been in 1A. In 5 playoff games this past season against 1A teams Madison only gave up 18 points! The 3 loses Madison has to 1A teams is 2015 against Trenton, 2016 against Pahokee and 2020 against Hawthorne. Trenton got in trouble for recruiting during those years. Hawthorne the last few years has gotten in more transfer than many private schools. Is that what they're telling 1A schools they have to do to win? Makes me sick listening to these coaches saying 1A has it right when they clearly don't.
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1 hour ago, Jesse said:
I don't like teams that duck good teams.
I'm sorry. I just found this funny since you root for the team that found a loophole to play schools smaller than them but you don't like teams that duck teams lol
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14 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Yulee lost themselves a OL to Bolles but unreported by the Jacksonville media so here's the kids Hudl instead
https://www.hudl.com/profile/13135266/Brendan-Black
Black is a monster. Yulee has lost 2 D1 lineman in 2 years now. Bolles has picked up an OL from Episcopal, DL from Fleming Island, LB from Nease, a TE from North Carolina. Bolles will be huge on the OL. If they can figure out a passing game they should make a return trip to the finals.
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6 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Yulee has gotten like 3 or 4 Fernandina kids this off-season and also lost a kid to Hilliard
I've only seen two transfers so far this off-season that went to TCA, one of whom was a QB who started at TCA before going to Creekside past two years
Make that 6 kids from Fernandina to Yulee and Fernandina's best kid is going to Trinity. Trinity also got a kid from Baldwin.
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3 minutes ago, JaxTCA2010stateCHAMP said:
I will give u that ... they definitely learned how to work home schooling n there favor because I was home schooled when I went there I was supposed to go to orange park
the lineman that went to Florida transferred in
but I thought the WR came his freshmen year
No he came from Oakleaf, the OL from Yulee. Rumor has it they are getting the kid from Fernandina as well.
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7 minutes ago, JaxTCA2010stateCHAMP said:
I’m comparing TCA to all the other private schools in the state that are good
y’all can call it wat y’all want but trinity is a Jacksonville school with all Jacksonville kids on there roster that start there from 7th grade
trinity roster is all about 35-40 kids and they will play anybody with rosters double their size
kids are kids and if I coach them right and train the heck out of them U can win !!!
but we l done talking about this because y’all really put a false narrative on trinity and don’t even be knowing what’s really going on out thereFor any of the private schools around the state that are good in a big metro area they get their kids from that area. All of Trinity's kids did not start there from the 7th grade. The two kids who signed with Florida last year transferred in. Trinity Trinity does a good job and I agree they are not afraid to play anyone. They also learned how to work the homeschool system in their favor.
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1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I've spoken to parents of kids over in Duval who mentioned that coaches from all the top publics in Duval have coaches texting players to try and "poach" them from other schools
That is a serious recruiting violation and the type of one that would lead to serious FHSAA sanctions if reported
The reason the schools can get away with it is neither the parents or the media will actually report on the teams doing it, which is understandable
However for the media to take the other complete extreme of acting like these publics are all homegrown is laughable but I guess they have to make up some excuse for why the publics in Duval can't win state titles after they spend all year hyping up teams like Lee and Sandalwood
I've heard the same stories about the privates. Now the validity of them is up in the air, probably on both ends. In Duval a lot has to do with the coaching. In my opinion it has not been on par with the rest of the state. Trinity and Bolles have good staffs. So tons of kids will want to go there.
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1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Bolles gets some
Idk about UC currently but I've heard about them in the past trying to lure players there
Of course Jacksonville publics have no reason to complain about TCA or Bolles when the top ones are doing much worse and the moment someone blows a whistle the foundation gonna come crashing down
Look I agree that public schools are getting kids. But I don't agree with the much worse. Trinity, Bolles, UC they all get kids from surrounding areas of Jax.
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3 minutes ago, JaxTCA2010stateCHAMP said:
Never said TCA don’t get any
I said nhe don’t get a lot Especially compared to other private school
and like I said earlier most kids come to trinity in middle school, it’s not like they got a bunch of seniors transferring to there school all the time
Compared to what other private schools? Comparing to ones in Jax they do.
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12 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
And yet Lee got more than that in one day and people in Jacksonville say they homegrown talent lol
The media in Jacksonville is loaded in hypocrisy
I agree that public schools in Jax recruit and get many transfers as well. But don't act like Trinity doesn't get any. Trinity got really good with the all star 7v7 started up and they were the first ones in Jax to start a team.
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22 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Wouldn't it be easier for them to go to TCA or UC or any public on the Northside?
Depending on traffic Nassau county to Bolles could be 30-60+ minutes depending on where it's from in the county
Only public school on the northside of Jax is First Coast. It usually works the other way. Kids leaving there to head to Nassau schools. Like Jags904 said kids have been leaving nassau for years heading to Bolles. Trinity has dipped into Nassau as well. The big OT they had this past year is from Nassau. As for Bolles Nassau isn't much farther than all the regular students who go to Bolles from Ponte Vedra.
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So no one really knows what formula Maxpreps uses? There is no way to double check them?