Jambun82
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Breon Allen, was a GREAT High School Football player. He has a good college career at East Carolina, but if he was a little bigger, he might be playing in the NFL today.
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16 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
Long time Head coach Andy Price's last season was 2011. He went to Titusville for one year and has been at Spruce Creek ever since. He does the best with what he has. Athletic tuition assistance is not as plentiful as in years past. The schools birth was in the early court ordered integration of Florida public schools. That fueled their enrollment in the beginning years as much as the spiritual enlightenment. Never been a big fan, although I did see all three of their state championship final losses.
Warner Christian continued their deep playoff run after Andy Price left with Steve Allen as Head Coach. Although the Eagles did not make the state title game under Coach Allen, after he left the downhill slide started. Warner Christian became an undisciplined team who outathleted teams under Coach Allen's successor, and after that coach left, the bottom fell out. The Administration and de-emphasizing football might have also played a factor.
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22 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I agree most are there for the right reasons
If you took 100 officials maybe 1 or 2 in that 100 are there for wrong reasons but that is case for everything in society
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch and more times than not a bad apple will be seen and given more attention then all the good apples
For example you never see the media show how many good young kids we have today, but you will always see when kids do something stupid because it's considered more newsworthy
Or perhaps a better example is police officers, very rare will you see in news what a officer did to save someone's life but if they involved in a questionable decision in using a weapon then the media can't get enough of it and now some people think all cops are bad because of a few bad ones who exist
My entire point though is there is a lot of good ones but unfortunately the only ones who will ever get brought up are the small percentage of the bad ones
Yes. I believe that there are issues with many police officers, not all but many unfortunately, that are ignorant of many basic citizen rights, and seem to forgot that they are public servants. It goes beyond police officers using their weapons, and more to the point of the arrogance of many police officers. This erodes confidence and trust in police in general. There are many good professional police officers who get painted with this broad brush.
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11 hours ago, peezy28 said:
Okay... Well to me that is apart of the problem... 1. You cannot be mad at people for questioning your motives if you do not want to even talk about it... Thats a HUUGGGEEE Oxymoron you have to admit (please don't take this as an attack on you or the officials this is just how most will perceive that message). Its like you keeping money away from your wife because your saving it for your kids college and she sees you have 100k in an account she did not know about and asks what is it for and you tell her (I am not willing to talk about that with you)... It will not go over well LOL... This is not as extreme as that but similar.
I know plenty of officials in the sun-coast association (I believe that is what our local association is called) that I have known for years. Gail B, Kenny, Big Game Bobby (as we call him), Derelle H, Chris H. I can talk to them about stuff like this and I get a better understanding of things by doing so. Also they admit to not being perfect and getting every call correct.
Open communication is best in most situations in life in general IMO.
Peezy, I am sorry, I think that I misspoke. What I meant was that most officials would like to talk with others, and explain certain points-of-view when it came to how to call a game, and which fouls to have and which fouls not to have. If people would be willing to listen and understand what the official is trying to get across. Not every thing has to be so mechanical when it comes to officiating. There is a grey area in many aspects of officiating in my view.
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On 12/12/2018 at 6:01 AM, peezy28 said:
I will say that when he is talking to coaches... he speaks to them the same way he talks ABOUT them on the broadcast as he did with Robert W while in the booth... So its not like he is afraid to say those things face to face or not... I think its a lot easier for Officials to reach out to him than the other way... I don't think most want to talk about that stuff in person or directly to the person who is blasting them.
Peezy, most officials do not want to talk with non-officials about the many aspects of what officials are trying and not trying to accomplish. Most if not all officials do not care who wins or loses any game, and most officials know that the game is not about either them or the coaches. The game is about the players and the kids.
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2 hours ago, Just A Coach said:
To be honest yelling at refs is not on my to do list on Friday nights. Most coaches are there only for the kids. I believe the officials have that same mind set as well. But there are some coaches who go out there with the intentions of yelling at refs. But there are also refs that go out there feeling that every fan and coach has it out for him. I've seen it go both ways.
Just a Coach, I agree with this statement 100%. Very well said.
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2 hours ago, Just A Coach said:
Jambun, If that is how you feel, fine. I hope you never approach a coach during a game and tell him that your only going to throw offensive flags if it is a positive play. Coaches don't want to hear that from any ref.
Just a Coach, that reads good to me. Good officials would never approach a coach and tell that coach that the officials will only have fouls on positive plays. However, when a runner is being tackled or pushed out-of-bounds behind the line of scrimmage, and there is a tug-of-a-jersey holding foul 5-10 yards away from the point-of-attack, most coaches would understand that since that the hold had no effect on the result of the play, that that holding foul is not essential to the play and does not need to be called. That is what happened in this circumstance, and Jeff Carlson went on for at least 45 seconds about how the officials missed the foul, and need to see things better. In my view, a good color man would talk with some officials and get a feel for what is and is not a foul. That way, he can sound a little educated instead of spouting off like a know-nothing. Of course, the exception to that is player-safety fouls, which have to be called and enforced anywhere that they occur on the field, and in any circumstance.
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4 minutes ago, Just A Coach said:
They should call it because a foul is a foul. 3 yard loss and next down or 10 yard loss and replay the down. That should be at the coaches discretion not the referees. No way should they hold on to a flag because they feel a 3 yard loss is enough.
Just a Coach, if that is how you feel, fine. I hope that you never approach an official during one of your games that you coach, and complain about to many fouls being thrown or how your team has eight fouls, and the other team has only two fouls. Officials don't want to hear that from any coach.
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10 hours ago, peezy28 said:
Yeah, I find him funny... and I think he tries to be controversial or be over the top with his assessments.. like waaayyy over. But as long as he has been doing games for brighthouse, spectrum, time warner which goes back a long way he has always been "that guy"
Yes, and "that guy" means someone who should live by the saying "Better to keep quiet, and be thought an idiot, than speak and remove all doubt." I wonder if this man talks to the coaches about the game plans, thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of players, and ideas of why coaches call certain plays in certain situations. Also, he should consider talking with some officials to get an idea of why some fouls are called and some are not.
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9 hours ago, peezy28 said:
He is always hella hard on the refs (which is why I think Jambun does not like him) and the coaches if they make what he calls bad decisions (which is why many coaches don't like him)
Yes Peezy, that is mostly correct. Why the officials would have a holding foul when the runner goes out of bounds after losing 3 yards, is beyond me. But since Jeff Carlson is much smarter than everyone else, so maybe he can explain it someday. Also, questioning the play-calling and decisions of Bill Castle, who is one of the all-time legends of coaching in Florida High School Football was pretty interesting and quite hilarious. I feel for any play-by-play man who has to carry that dead weight for an entire game or season.
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41 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I'm not sure, i haven't checked i came across this by accident when searching for something else
My guess is there could be one or 2 pop up over the next few days but you never know, for some reason only 3 or 4 end up getting put up and the rest go missing
All right, thank you. I enjoyed that game very much although Jeff Carlson still hasn't gotten any better as a color man. The play-by -play announcer said that the games could be streamed for free for Spectrum customers, which I had no idea about. Lakeland really outplayed STA in that game, and I was glad to see them complete an undefeated season, and win the 7A title.
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Columbiahighfan, thank you very much for posting this! Are all of the state title games available on youtube? Thank you again.
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9 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
If what @Jambun82 is pointing out is indeed the case then STA won't have their head coach next week
If that is case give me Lakeland by 7-10
ColumbiaHighFan2017, I don't know for sure that the Head Coach would be disqualified for the State Title game, but there have been incidents in the past in regular season, and possibly playoff games. The FHSAA reserves the right to deal with the punishment the way that it sees fit.
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30 minutes ago, 954gator said:
Was reading the updates. A lot of penalties on STA, PIs and roughing the passer calls. I think I saw at least 2 unsportsmanlike penalties on STA coaching staff near the end. Annoying we couldn't watch it live.
Two Unsportsmanlike penalties on the STA coaching staff? That means an automatic ejection for the head coach, and that also means that he may not be able to coach in the State Title game. It also may mean some punishment for some of the Assistant Coaches.
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2 hours ago, Proseteye said:
The facts won't convince a lot of people that the officials are not biased for or against one team or the other. In fact, the playoff officials are actually from areas where they would have little interest in either of the teams that they are officiating. But, you can't convince folks like the family at the Vanguard/Sebring game sitting next to me. I had to endure an entire game of a family of nitwits that were screaming at the officials using every vulgarity they could think of. The real problem was that they knew nothing about football and rules thereof.
Proseteye, I agree with your statement 100%.
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FL-HS_football, thank you for that great information. I enjoy reading about those kind of high school football stories.
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31 minutes ago, 954gator said:
I'll take the home team whoever that is. Both tend to get a pretty favorable whistle at home.
954gator, the officiating crew for all state high school football playoff games is chosen by the FHSAA. The officials for all playoff games travel, and are not affiliated with either team competing in the game.
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9 hours ago, gwdrum75 said:
Don Soldinger was all too happy to run up the score in that game as well.
Why is that? Was there some kind of personal issue between Don Soldinger and Joe Kinnan?
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6 hours ago, Proseteye said:
You are 100% correct. No referee or official has any skin in the games that they work. They probably have little interest in which team wins or loses. Too many people still believe that the refs make calls against teams because of a bias for or against one of the two teams. Couldn't be farther from the truth. Refs are human and are usually not professionals. They do make non subjective calls to the best of their ability. I was at the Vanguard/Sebring game and I always sit in the opposing team's stands as I like to see how their fans react to the game. There was this family from Hell or so it seemed. Screaming vulgarities at the refs the entire game. I don't think one of them knew anything about football. And, I don't think the refs can hear anything from the stands anyway. Just made the entire stands uncomfortable and embarrassed themselves in the process. I loved it when Vanguard defeated them 35-7.
Yes Proseteye, this is mostly correct. Getting people to understand that officials do not care who wins or loses a game, just like officials do not care to hear that one team has a lot more penalties than the other. People who sit in the bleachers and shout at officials the entire game are cowards as far as I am concerned. If these people think that they would make better officials, by all means they should join and become an official themselves.
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5 hours ago, skyway said:
I was just curious about quality control. Of course these aren't full-time, professional refs. But, their can be a wide disparity in quality. You'd hope the better refs are the ones working this time of year.
Yes Skyway, the better officials are working this time of year, just like the better teams are playing the time of year.
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The officials are assigned to games and schools that they have not usually seen in the regular season. Most officials travel to different areas for High School Football playoff games. For instance, the Officials Association from Daytona Beach might travel to Jacksonville, and the Officials Association from Orlando might travel to Brevard County and vice versa. This is very little familiarity between officials and coaches and players in most, if not all, playoff games.
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Does Vanguard play at it's school, or at a City Stadium? Also, have there been any problems with the clock or scorebaord at Vanguard's home field that anyone knows about? Thank you.
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2 hours ago, Trelle said:
The most BULLSHIT officiating I’ve seen so far. I normally am not one to complain (or cuss on these boards)or make excuses but this officiating crew is pathetic.
Trelle, could you provide some examples of this alleged "pathetic" officiating crew?
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Why can't you understand and realize that many parents and children want choices in education, and don't support the one-size-fits all public school system? There is more to life than each public school having the same amount of D-1 athletes to achieve some sort of parity in High School Football.