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1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:
So the schools who are manipulating numbers see themselves on a level playing field as 1A teams? Why not petition to play in 2A if they feel they're not on level playing field in 3A. Or drop to 3A if not level in 4A. Better yet go independent or join a conference til you feel like you can compete again.
Yes, they do.
Ultimately, I don't believe they want to (nor can they) compete with the powerhouse private schools that dominate 2A & 3A. That's what is attracting them to manipulate numbers to 1A... There are no private schools.
Just my opinion.
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On 2/12/2021 at 12:50 PM, CoachMcG1 said:
Here is some info from the upcoming FHSAA BOD's meeting regarding re-classification: https://fhsaa.com/documents/2021/2/10//February_2021_Complete_Agenda.pdf?id=1151
Item for Discussion:
The 2021-22 school year starts a new two year classification cycle per policy 12. The student enrollment numbers used for this upcoming cycle were submitted by member schools to the FHSAA Office in October 2020. FHSAA Staff has heard some concern from membership concerning the validity of the student enrollment numbers submitted due to COVID-19. Some of the ideas from membership was to extend the current classification setup by one or two years. FHSAA Staff has reviewed student enrollment numbers from the last 3 years (October 2020, October 2019 and October2018) and followed up with school districts and schools for student enrollments that may have the appearance of a significant percentage decrease or increase.
There is also a Discussion Item regarding 1A:
Request to discuss the revamping of IA rural and how the class is determined moving from a set number of student enrollment at 600 to a set number of schools in the class by sport.
Over the course of the years the IA rural class has been in existence It no longer resembles what it was intended to be and also has been consistently manipulated by schools and school based personnel. We have seen schools that have had their enrollment numbers decreased by many students and come in for classification purposes at 600, 599, etc. to get under the 600 mark that was set in the beginning of this class being formed. The sole purpose of using 600 as the number in the beginning was that it was determined that there needed to be 32 teams in the sport of football for example, in order to make the classification sustainable and at that time it took the number up to 600 to reach that 32 threshold. That is no longer the case but what schools are doing is manipulating their numbers through various ways. Below is a list of some of the ways these numbers are being manipulated. Sending lower achieving students to alternative schools and placing them with an administrator” so they are considered a different school and fall under the non4raditional student category so the main school only has to count the students that participate in sports at the main high school which is a number that is IMPOSSIBLE for the FHSAA to monitor or anyone to verity. Keep in mind many of these students cannot graduate because they are a complete virtual platform that does not offer enough classes for graduation or they will then come and graduate with their peers at their home school after all sports are completed Using virtual platforms within what is now their covid relief plan to house students that are doing virtual school within the home school, not FLVS, but are some on campus and some off. Many schools are allowing students that are staying home for ‘covid concerns” to participate still in athletics. These students are not being counted under the home school so they don’t count in their student enrollment numbers for classifications. These are just a couple of examples but I am certain if I dig there are many more. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of the IA Rural class was to create a class that is for like schools and like communities. You would be hard pressed to find many of the schools in 1A that have a chain grocery store, any fast food places, more than I or 2 red lights and almost none will have a Walmart. We are now getting to the point where there are schools with every fast food restaurant there Is, Walmart supercenters. a major state highway running through them, and almost 6,000 people in the city itself compared to the majority of schools that have closer to 2,000 people in their respective communities. I will provide the exact population for all rural school communities at the board meeting. My biggest point is that if we remove the 600 number and just take the smallest X number of schools per classification for each rural sport we would take away all manipulation tools that could be used to take athletic advantage of a school working to get below that number. This will not alleviate all problems but it wili go a long way to fixing this issue which I believe could mean the end of the classification in the future. I also pose this thought IA has always been criticized as being the only class that has a set number. This would take away that perceived inequity and place them on a similar, yet not exact, playing field as the other classes. In closing, I believe we must make a harsh move to eliminate the manipulation that is not taking place to get schools into the rural class and it is only going to get worse with covid and the future of education that is moving more and more towards virtual and non traditional student education. I have been the biggest proponent on this board for some time to leave the IA class alone but it is time to make some changes to save the integrity of the classification. Bobby Johns
Why do teams want to drop down into 1A? Simply put, there is not a level playing field in 3A-4A either. You are advocating for small 1A schools, but not considering the position these schools are in that have 600-750 students. Big "1A schools" and small public 3A-4A schools in rural areas know that they cannot compete with private school powerhouses such as Trinity Christian, Trinity Catholic, Bolles, Florida High, Cardinal Gibbons, etc. Level the playing field in those classifications and we wont have as many schools manipulating numbers.
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1 hour ago, Jesse said:
I'm waiting on Trenton on someone to make a super team again. Hopefully they move Madison to blountstown region, so they play pahokee for state.
Trenton beat them because they recruited... Hard. I would never promote recruiting and that is the only way a Dixie, Trenton, etc truly has a chance to beat them in my opinion. Unless something magical happens and one of those schools produced multiple SEC caliber guys like Union County did back in the 90's, nobody other than Pahokee will beat them.
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1 hour ago, ATLEagle said:
Are they getting transfers? Are they recruiting? Are they stealing kids:)
Madison County recruits itself. I wouldn't be surprised if a few kids from Monticello, Live Oak, Jasper, or Perry transferred to Mad Co (if they have the transportation) because they are clearly the best in the area. Good players want to play for good programs. I could be wrong, but I don't think they are doing anything illegal. They have good athletes, good coaching, and they work their behinds off year around.
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They are in a talent rich area and there is nothing to do in Madison other than football. They work relentlessly year around and have a good coaching staff. In addition, there is not much competition for them on a consistent basis in 1A other than Pahokee. Everyone else in 1A is playing for 2nd/3rd place.
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The community has rallied behind the fact that the school district installed a new turf field at David Hurse Stadium. The community has now come together in the past month to fully donated a new scoreboard and sound system by NEVCO. The board will stand nearly 40 ft tall and will be installed starting the first week of August. After decades of neglect, David Hurse Stadium may soon be one of the best atmospheres in north Florida for high school football.
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Union County - 56 Straight, I believe.
Late 90's
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The school has been desperate for upgrades for years. If you've ever been to Bradford, you know that the baseball team and football team share the same muddy field. This is a power move that will change the landscape of athletics in Bradford. The baseball team is currently getting a new field at another spot on campus.
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35 minutes ago, badbird said:
why are they putting the soccer lines on it. plan on renting it out or adding soccer?
The school could potentially add soccer in the future I suppose.
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Announced yesterday that David Hurse Stadium will be receiving a major face-lift for this upcoming season as they install a new turf field. This is big news for a small public high school (800 students) that doesn't have to share the field with anyone else (currently no soccer team at BHS).
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12 hours ago, FORTWHITEFAN76 said:
Lost there RB #20 to knee injury at the FCA camp waiting to here if its for the season or part of it. Huge blow to FW to loose him to camp that ment nothing.
The Indians will have a veteran QB protected by a solid offensive line up front. Defensively they return a good group of guys. They will be more athletic on the perimeter than they were a year ago.
#20 is a solid football player, hopefully he doesn’t miss his entire senior year.
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47 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Eastside does have more than some qb
But everything I've seen this off-season makes me think Gainesville is only top 3 as a "legacy" pick
The big question i have though is what does Bradford have coming back, i see a lot of people saying they should be at top spot and I feel they must have more than just "making final 4" to warrant that
Eastside should be better than their 5-4 record last year which included 1 score games with several average to below average teams. They do have potential.
I don’t feel as if Bradford should be the top school on the list. Probably around 3ish behind Buchholz and Columbia until they prove otherwise. They lost a handful of impactful of seniors, but they will improve athletically across the board. Their sophomore QB can score any play via air or legs.
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9 hours ago, FORTWHITEFAN76 said:
This poll is a joke with union and Lafayette in the top 10
Bingo. Fort White would run the clock on both.
Eastside will have to prove to me that they are one of the area’s best, even if they do have an sec commit at QB. Bradford and FW deserve more love. FW is always competitive and has more playmakers this year. Even though Bradford got mopped by Raines, they still made it to the final 4 in 4A. Both of these teams deserve more.
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3 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Here's the first regional rankings of the year
I'll start with North Central rankings
North Central top 10
1 Columbia 7A
2 Vanguard 6A
3 Buchholz 7A
4 Eastside 5A
5 Fort White 3A
6 Bradford 4A
7 Trinity Catholic 3A
8 Gainesville 6A
9 Dixie County 1A10 Union County 1A
more rankings to come soon
I would swap Bradford with EHS and Hawthorne with UC
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1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Do you have Fort White schedule by any chance?
According to Maxpreps
@ Suwannee
Providence (Jacksonville)
@ Santa Fe
Taylor County
Bradford County
Williston
@ Union County
Dixie County
@ Newberry
Parker (Jacksonville)
Appears very manageable to me outside of 1-2 tough games.
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Fort White goes undefeated in regular season
Eastside is the top team in Gainesville
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2 hours ago, Tigers2017 said:
Did I see that Bradford is playing Cocoa this year?
According to Maxpreps, Bradford picked up Cocoa and University Christian. Bold move to pick up 2 powerhouse programs.
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The Bradford/Fort White game will be a slugfest in the fall. The Indians have this game circled after last year’s disappointment.
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10 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Bradford did decent during 7v7 in Lake City but unfortunately i didn't get to see them play us during the event
They were 2 seed but lost to Buchholz who ran table before losing to us in finals
What does Bradford bring back?
I expect them to do well in their 2nd year under their new HC. Went 10-2 and made it to the state semi-finals under him in year one, before running into Raines. They looked the part at the 7v7 at CHS. They do have a tougher schedule this year though.
My eyes are on Fort White though. Always well coached and play good football. With a manageable schedule and multiple transfers coming in, I expect them to make some noise in 3A.
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Hearing good things from several teams here in North Central Florida
Bradford
Columbia
Fort White
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I've always had a lot of respect for the football program at Columbia High but CHS has been disappointing for a number of years now. They should be an annual contender.
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I do not have all the answers. I am simply stating why schools are manipulating numbers. That is it. A rural public school with 650 students will rarely compete in 3A with the powerhouse private schools. That is why they manipulate numbers to 1A.