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  3. Any interesting district races going on?

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    My apologies in advance for returning this thread to its original titled theme.  B)

    Class 4M, Region 2 has some interesting dynamics.   The top seed in the region, with one week to go, is Sumner.  Sumner did not win its district.  They lost to Durant, who is currently the 6-seed.  One other team from the district (Riverview) is in the top 8.  So, it would appear District 8 is the toughest district in the region, but assuming no changes between this week and next, the winner of that district -- Durant -- will not get to host a first round playoff game because they are seeded sixth and will face 3rd-seeded Olympia, the district 5 winner. 

    Sumner, on the other hand, will host a first round game because they'll play Plant City (district 7 runner-up and 8 seed).  Again, assuming no more changes, 2nd-seeded Plant will host Riverview and 5th-seeded Palm Harbor University (district champ by virtue of having the highest power ranking in the district) will host 4th-seeded Dr. Phillips (district 5 runner-up). 

    Again, the take-away:  the top seed in the region did not win its district and will host a first-round game, whereas the district winner will have to travel to Orlando to play its first round game because it's matched up against another district winner that has a higher Power Ranking.  

    Things that make you go hmmmmm. 

  6. Week 11 Nolebull813 top 25

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    Not necessarily saying you're wrong, but I find it interesting that when you get down to the bottom part of that list, you've got Armwood ranked one above Jesuit when Jesuit beat Armwood head-to-head earlier this year (and since that game, neither team has lost). 

  10. Brawl ends Lakeland-Kathleen game, and possibly Lakeland's season

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    For anyone who was there:

    1.  Did the officials end the game after the altercation?  The video seems to end with both teams being told to head to opposite end zones. 

    2.  If the officials chose to simply end the game, would there have been any need to eject players?   (Like when a MLB manager comes out to argue the final out of a game and then gets ejected from a game that already is over).  If the officials decided that ejections would be a moot point, can/will the FHSAA still review the video?

    3.  Were any ejections announced?  If so, how many?

    4.  If memory serves me correct, the schools involved have an obligation to report to the FHSAA any players who were involved in unsportsmanlike acts (or maybe just the ones that resulted in disqualification, I'm not sure) and they have to do it very soon thereafter (like by the following day).   I wonder if Lakeland did this?

    Anyone?

  11. Any interesting district races going on?

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    Just now, DarterBlue2 said:

    In the old days, you would have a tiebreaker on Monday with each of the teams playing a half of football against each other as necessary. 

    The host would be the team with the best overall won/loss record. Or if that's tied, a coin could be flipped to determine the host school. 

    Exactly.  I was replying to 181's suggestion that enlarging the size of the districts automatically solves the problems created by the Power Rankings.   While I agree that larger districts are needed, you'll still have problems if you use a Power Ranking to break ties instead of some sort of on-the-field tie-breaker. 

  12. OSCEOLA KOWBOYS 38 - TOHO TIGERS 0

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    30 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

    Win gets us in, but without a doubt using the current rankings by FHSAA as an 8th seed in 4S - R3.  We aren't squawking about it though because our record is what it is regardless of SOS and look forward to whomever is our opponent in the first round.  I am not very good at deciphering how the brackets will play out but using todays rankings University HS in Deltona looks to be the #1 seed in our Region but not a district champ.  That would be Deland the #3 seed with Treasure Coast the #2 seed.  With one game remaining it doesn't appear that will change and if so I think we may get University at home in the first round.  Hopefully someone that understands how this works better than I can give their opinion.  

    Ray, I think you're right.   If things stay the way they are and University is a 1 seed but not the district champ and Osceola is an 8 seed, but a district champ, the Kowboys should host the 1-round game.  

  13. Any interesting district races going on?

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    47 minutes ago, 181pl said:

    this is the problem with all the BS voodoo rankings. It’s all nonsense. If you had a large enough district, these teams would not be tied. If you have a minimum 6 team district you can comfortably have your top two teams make the playoffs and keep the competition relatively good in the playoff system. Preferably a seven or eight team district is better but I think six at a minimum lets  the cream rise to the top..

     

     

    I don’t have an answer to your question because of the subjective system set up by the FHSAA

    But unless ties are determined on the field, the problem can still exist.  Say you've got a 7 or 8-team district and one of the teams runs the table.  The next three teams end up tied for second and they all have two district losses (All 3 teams lose to A; B beat C; C beat D; and D beat B).  How do you determine who the "second place team" is for purposes of the playoffs? 

  14. Brawl ends Lakeland-Kathleen game, and possibly Lakeland's season

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    Were disqualifications/ejections announced?  I'm pretty sure that fighting results in disqualification.  I guess it's up to the officials to determine at what point a situation escalates from 'post-play pushing and shoving' to fighting.  But if a player gets ejected for fighting, absent relief from the FHSAA Exec. Dir., that player is looking at a 5-game suspension.   And I think the same thing applies to any players who leave the bench to participate in an altercation.  There were several Lakeland players who did this.  They may have been subs or, by that point of the game, they may have been starters who already had been pulled from the game and given the rest of the night off.  Well, they may get the rest of the season off now.  No question that several players left the bench area.  And no question that multiple Lakeland players can be seen throwing punches.  All of those players could be done for the season.  With all that in mind, I'll return to the question I have raised multiple times:  why do guys on a football field throw punches at the heads/faces of guys wearing hard plastic helmets with face-masks? 

  17. SSAA relases playoff brackets

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    2 hours ago, Joshua Wilson said:

    HEY ENOUGH... ALL OF YOU!

    Why are you all trashing the SSAA for providing the schools that want an alternative to the FHSAA state series?

    A lot of those programs are thankful they don't have to go up against the powerhouse teams where they would stand no chance on a weekly basis.

    Josh, I have not commented on this subject yet, in large part because I simply don't know much about the Sunshine State Athletic Association.   As best I can tell from the article you posted, however,the SSAA basically is set up so that every team in the SSAA gets to play in an "end-of-the-year" tournament, with a ranking system being used to 'group' teams together based on their performance over the course of the season.   But yet the SSAA refers to this arrangement as their "playoffs."  Candidly, the SSAA State Championship Bracket looks legit.  There are teams in this bracket that likely could compete in their respective divisions within the FHSAA if they chose to do so.  But the other brackets . . .  not so much so. 

    I think the focus of this thread has been on the 'other' teams in the other nine brackets.  One of the two teams playing in the "SSAA Atlantic 1A Championship" Game - their term, not mine - will enter the game with an 0-8 record.   The SSAA Cup Bracket features four teams with a combined record of 1-28.  Yes, one win and 28 losses.   One of these four teams will get to call themselves 'champions.'  

    I have no problem with schools participating in an association other than the FHSAA.  But when you release "playoff brackets" right before the FHSAA schools are about to head into post-season play (well, not all of the FHSAA schools, but only the ones who qualify for the playoffs), I think it's reasonable to expect a little criticism from the anti-participation trophy crowd.  Perhaps the arrangement would be better received if the SSAA dropped the "championship" and "playoff" terms from all the brackets other than the State Championship Bracket. 

    Just my two cents.

  18. Final Dillard 42 Boyd Anderson 7 Game Called AGAIN after brawl breaks out between coaches & players in the beginning of 4th Qt.

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    33 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

    Our when the ball was being kicked it was a punt return our player was backing away from it when he realized he couldn’t get a clean fair catch. When the ball stopped rolling the nearest panther was like 10 feet away a cobra player came and grabbed one of our players and tried to drag him to the ball as if no one was gonna see that, which made the whole Dillard side erupt. 

    Trying to drag a player over to the ball and punching a guy are two different things.  One should result in a garden-variety penalty (holding), while the other should be cause for ejection.  Neither should result in a brawl. 

    Any chance Dillard could lose any players or coaches to suspension for their slightly-more important game this Friday night?

  19. Final Dillard 42 Boyd Anderson 7 Game Called AGAIN after brawl breaks out between coaches & players in the beginning of 4th Qt.

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    1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:

    Same thing happened in a college game where the gunners tried to snatch up the returner and force into the ball.

    https://youtu.be/is8UV0ET9tk?si=Biah2kTFGT_WMOqy

    I saw that play.  It was a punt (not a kickoff) and I wondered why that wouldn't be considered holding on the kicking team.  If the guys on the coverage squad were trying to push or block the return guy into the ball, that would be one thing (i.e., a legal thing), but if they try to grab him and drag him over to where the ball is, why wouldn't that be holding?  If it's not holding, then why wouldn't the kicking team get four guys to go pick up the smallest guy on the return team, carry him down the field to where the ball is resting, lower the guy until his body touches the ball, and then jump on the ball?

  20. Most Current FHSAA Rankings

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    While we're on the topic of FHSAA rankings, any idea why it takes 2-3 days to release updated rankings?   If the product is objective/computer-based, the updated rankings should be available after the last game is played Friday night (or Saturday, if any games continue over).   There will always be an aberration game (like Dillard playing last night), but I see no reason to hold off the release of the updated rankings based on something like that. 

  21. Final Dillard 42 Boyd Anderson 7 Game Called AGAIN after brawl breaks out between coaches & players in the beginning of 4th Qt.

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    11 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

    on the ensuing Dillard kick off return on of the cobra players tried to pull a Dillard player and make him touch the ball so it can be turnover Dillard. And when he wouldn’t budge he punched our player which led to a riot on the field between both sides.

    I'm not sure how this makes sense.  A kickoff is a live ball; either team can recover it (assuming it traveled the necessary 10 yards).  A punt, on the other hand, would be different.  And if it were a punt, there's no reason why anyone from the receiving team needs to be anywhere close to the ball once the decision has been made not to field the punt and try to return it.  I never understand why someone from the return team feels the need to get up close to the ball and watch it roll while there are several members of the kicking team around the ball.  Nothing good can happen for the return team.  But I digress. 

    The other thing I'll never fully understand is why guys on a football field throw punches at players that are wearing helmets.   Rarely, if ever, do you see guys throwing body shots when a melee break out; they're always swinging up high at a dude wearing a helmet with a facemask.  Now, the guys who grab the facemask and try to sling the other guy around/down, I kind of get that.  But taking a full-on swing with an unprotected hand making contact with a hard plastic design specifically to protect a person's head, I just don't get that.  But I digress again. 

    Sorry the game ended the way it did, but ending early wasn't the worst thing that could happen to Dillard this week.

  22. Mainland coach has words for Osceola-Bucs 22-0

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    If you win your district, you should be able to host the first round playoff game.  Period. 

    I know that the FHSAA rankings have not been updated yet, but here would be the situation in 4M, Region 2 if the season ended today:

    The top three teams in the region are all in District 8 (Sumner, Riverview and Durant, in that order).  The 4 seed would be Olympia, the 5 seed Plant, the 6 seed Palm Harbor U, the 7 seed Plant City and the 8 seed Dr. Phillips.  As the top seed and district winner, Sumner would host Dr. Phillips, a district runner-up.  Fair enough.  The 2 seed and district runner-up, Riverview, would host the District 7 runner-up, Plant City.  Two non-district winners, higher seed hosts.  Again, fair enough.  In the 3 seed vs 6 seed match-up, the 6 seed and District 6 winner PHU, would host the 3 seed, Durant (another non-district winner).  Once again, fair.  Even though PHU is the lower seed, it hosts because it won its district.  But here's where it gets interesting:  the 4 seed and District 5 winner (Olympia) would face off against the 5 seed and District 7 winner (Plant).  Under the current system, and because they are both district winners, the 4 seed would host simply because they are percentage points ahead in a flawed ranking system.  Yet, the 5 seed would travel and the 6 seed would host.  Huh?

    In my view, the FHSAA should go back to the system that was in place a few years ago:  The four district winners get the top 4 seeds (seeded per the flawed ranking system) and get to host the first round playoff game.  Then use the flawed ranking system to determine seeds 5 through 8.  Yes, there will be many time (perhaps more often than not) where the 5 seed (i.e., the best non-district winner in the region) beats the 4 seed (i.e., the worst district winner).  But the district winner should be rewarded with hosting at least one playoff game. 

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