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Madison County
Columbia
Tampa Bay Tech
Boca Ciega
Flagler Palm Coast
Apopka
Treasure Coast
Columbus
Colquitt County, Ga.
Berkeley Prep
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15 hours ago, Joshua Wilson said:
Records are pretty solid... plus Dixie Hollins... really interesting district right now in 6A-8
Plus, this will be an interesting test for Boca Ciega's RB (Chris Phillips), who had a pretty good stat line last week against Countryside:
8 carries, 350 rushing yards (43.8 yards a carry average) and 5 rushing TD's. Not a bad Friday night.
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Just a thought: since teams have no control over scheduling the other teams within their district (and zero control over the non-district schedules of the teams they play against and the teams those teams play against), what about a hybrid formula. District winners fill the top 4 spots (in the large classes) and then use RPI from non-district games to determine seeding and wildcard teams.
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1 St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, FL) 4 14 0.781 5-0-0 1.000 0.687 0.635 2 Edgewater (Orlando, FL) 1 3 0.724 6-1-0 0.857 0.631 0.678 3 Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach, FL) 3 12 0.721 5-0-0 1.000 0.560 0.585 4 Lakeland (FL) 2 7 0.717 7-0-0 1.000 0.519 0.619 5 Bloomingdale (Valrico, FL) 2 7 0.701 5-1-0 0.833 0.606 0.658 6 Armwood (Seffner, FL) 2 8 0.699 5-1-0 0.833 0.589 0.671 7 Niceville (FL) 1 1 0.696 7-0-0 1.000 0.490 0.583 8 Wiregrass Ranch (Wesley Chapel, FL) 2 8 0.670 5-1-0 0.833 0.617 0.541 9 Fleming Island (Orange Park, FL) 1 2 0.669 5-0-0 1.000 0.400 0.597 10 Wekiva (Apopka, FL) 1 3 0.662 5-2-0 0.714 0.690 0.567 11 Tampa Bay Tech (Tampa, FL) 2 8 0.653 5-1-0 0.833 0.444 0.685 12 St. Cloud (FL) 2 5 0.648 5-1-0 0.833 0.567 0.526 -
While I understand the desire to be somewhat critical of the ref for calling the penalty on the contact away from the play, the question should probably be asked as to why the DB was making noticeable contact with a WR when the ball had been thrown to the other side of the field. I'm not sure it matters whether they called PI or a personal foul (hitting a defenseless player?), I think the result would be the same: 15 yard penalty. Each time you ask the question as to whether the ref should be making a call on contact away from the play late in the game, rephrase the question and ask whether the defensive player should have been popping an offensive player that wasn't involved in the play.
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35 minutes ago, badbird said:
the ref handled that great. The Miramar coach got ejected and suspended 3 months for something very similar.
Agreed. Without being able to hear a word, you could tell that the coach was upset and just trying to protect his QB and you could tell the ref realized this and was actually somewhat understanding. Good bit of officiating to let the coach blow off some steam and nice job by the Centennial players and assistant coaches to step in between the head coach and the ref.
As for the no handshake, it appeared that the game got a little chippy towards the end (what blowout doesn't?) and one of the Lakeland linemen (#53 perhaps) can be seen jawing over at the Centennial bench right before the game ends. That said, it also appeared that both teams had settled down and were going to be able to shake it up without incident. I'd be curious to know if the Centennial coach offered any explanation as to why he directed his players to head to the locker room/bus. Perhaps he had heard the announcements about the band performing after the game (instead of at halftime because of homecoming festivities) and couldn't wait to hear them play.
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2 minutes ago, badbird said:
or let the defense have the choice if the clock stops or starts
Yes. Good point.
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6 minutes ago, badbird said:
I know you asked this to Jambun but we use to jump offsides on purpose. We had a play called Maurice jump on 2. So we would try and draw the defense offsides if they didn't jump Maurice would jump offsides on 2. The whole team would then yell at him. It always worked the first time. We would usually only do it once. The second time we jumped against Lakeland one year they stopped the clock because Castle was pissed and yelling at the refs. With the new clock rules you can run off almost 3 minutes if a team doesn't have timeouts and you jump offsides once.
The coach should have pulled Maurice out of the game and given him a good tongue-lashing over on the sidelines, too!
The play that you described is exactly why I asked the question. How the heck is the ref supposed to know whether that play was real or contrived? I'd be more inclined to support a rule change: last 5 minutes of each half (or the last few minutes of the first half and the entire fourth quarter), if the score of the game is within, say, 24 points (i.e., 3 scores/3 2-point conversions), if the team on offense commits the penalty, the clock doesn't start running again until the ball is snapped.
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11 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:
That's the feeling we had! From my view point, the ball was uncatchable. Anyway Lake Gibson was supposed to be a hugh favorite that we didn't stand a chance against and Hardee nearly pulled an upset save for a penalty. Just like the North Marion game. I'd like to see the stats for this game as much of Lake Gibson's offense is likely attributed to one play in the 2nd quarter.
For what it's worth, it is my understanding that the "ball was uncatchable" is a determination that precludes a pass interference call at the college and pro level, but not at the high school level. In high school, even if the ball is thrown 50 feet over the receiver's head, if there is contact by the defender when the ball is in the air, it's still considered pass interference.
Jambun, correct me if I'm wrong.
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9 hours ago, Jambun82 said:
The offended team has the right in the last two minutes of the second and fourth quarters to have the clock start on the snap after a foul. Badbird is correct however, the referee has the authority to order the clock stopped or started if he/she feels that a team is trying to consume or conserve time illegally.
Jambun, I read this in the rules. How is this interpreted? How does a team "consume (or conserve) time illegally?" Is the white hat supposed to read the coaches mind and make a determination whether a coach has told a play to take an intentional false start penalty or feign an injury?
Have you ever seen an official make this determination in a game (i.e., that one team or the other was trying to consume or conserve time illegally)?
I'm just trying to get a feel for how officials make such a subjective determination.
Thanks.
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5 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:
The play was away from the defender they called the penalty on.
Sounds like your classic "stupid play by the defender; unwarranted (but not necessarily incorrect) call by the official."
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American Heritage (Plantation)
Jones
Miami Central
Marietta, Ga
Rockledge
Columbia
Bartram Trail
Clearwater Central Catholic
Cocoa
Flagler Palm Coast
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With all due respect to both programs, can someone please explain to me in 25 words or less why a game between a ranked 7A team in Florida and any 1A team in Florida should even be close?
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1 minute ago, nolebull813 said:
Yeah if you don’t include Gadsden County from a few years ago
(thus the emoticon).
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14 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
With the watered down playoff system I wouldn’t be surprised they go 0-10 and get the top seed. Lol.
Ha! Actually, I think the best they could do with an 0-10 record would be the 5th seed. But seriously, a no-win team has never made the playoffs, right?
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It's now being reported as a six-game suspension. Coach Weiner met with the Plant team this morning.
No reasons have been given yet. Katherine Smith (with BayNews 9) indicated that Coach Weiner will be giving an interview later today. We'll learn more then. If I'm a betting man, I suspect the answer's going to look a lot like The Blind Side movie, but for a kid who hardly played. Just a guess on my part.
At least Plant doesn't have to worry about being made to forfeit any of their games this year.
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10 hours ago, Jambun82 said:
The Head Coaches role is NOT to moniter what the officials are doing, and speak on behalf of his players. It is to coach his team, and his players. The Coach may have questions about certain rules interpretations or even judgment calls, and as long as the coach calls time-out, and requests an explanation, he is due those questions to be answered. A Coach may ask about a down, how many time-outs are left, etc, and I would believe that most decent officials would answer as long as the question-concerns were delivered in a respectful way. Perspective, you are correct, officials are human beings too. They like to be treated like human beings, and not like a piece of garbage. The NFHS rules are very clear about how coaches and players are to address officials. .
Jambun, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the first point. If the coach is not monitoring (i.e., observing) the officials, how can he be expected to raise a valid rule interpretation question or judgment call? Similarly, I'm pretty darn sure that given the choice between having a 17-year old kid yell out that he's being held every play or the coach discretely getting the refs attention and asking him to keep an eye on the right guard for possible holding, 9 refs out of 10 would prefer the latter. And the tenth ref would be the one who lost his hearing five years ago.
As for the second bolded point, I'm well aware of this. My father refereed high school (as well as junior college and college) basketball for over 25 years. When I didn't have to get up early for school the next day, or didn't have a game or practice of my own, I would go with him to his games. I learned the rules of the games but, more importantly, I learned how and how not to interact with officials.
The biggest difference between football and basketball when it comes to interacting with the refs is the distance. On the basketball court, the refs are constantly walking by the team benches or approaching the scorer's table, but even when they're not, they can only be so far away. In football, even when the line of scrimmage is right in front of a team's bench, the white hat can be 30 or more yards away from a coach, in which case the only way to get the refs attention is to yell loudly. In my view, that's not being disrespectful; it's simply taking into account the laws of science.
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On 9/27/2019 at 11:38 AM, nolebull813 said:
Sorry Randazzo fans, maxpreps has got wind that you don’t exist so they took your profile off their website.
if you google Randazzo football and click the link for maxpreps, it says error.
Sorry Rams fans, if your football team doesn’t exist, you can’t have a football profile
I can see the Randazzo team on MaxPreps, but there is no longer a schedule or a roster. Too bad; they were having a great season.
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On 9/28/2019 at 10:49 AM, HornetFan said:
As I am not a high school football player, anything I relay on this board concerning this subject can be labeled "heresay" and would not be admissible in a court of law. Naming the kids and the coach on a public forum would be irresponsible on my part as an adult. The kids and coach did nothing wrong; the kids were approached by friends from the other school. Several of their friends transferred to that school.. Speaking with them, I believe is first-hand knowledge as I actually spoke to kids who were being recruited. I'm not trying to make this a legal argument; an ethical discussion should be sufficient. Apparently, you don't see it that way.
I won't get into the specifics, but you should all be aware that "hearsay evidence" is, as its title suggests, a form of evidence. And while hearsay evidence typically is not admitted as evidence in a court of law, there are about two dozen or so exceptions to the hearsay rule whereby hearsay testimony does become admissible in a court proceeding.
To my knowledge, the FHSAA is not bound by the Florida Rules of Evidence when it comes to investigations. In other words, they can consider hearsay statements as part of their investigation. That said, it is also my understanding that the FHSAA will not open or pursue investigations based on reports, tips, etc. from anyone other than a member institution. In other words, if a player at some high school in Polk County not beginning with an "L" walks up to HornetFan and says "Hey, I just got a text from one of the assistant coaches/players at Lakeland telling me they need another outside linebacker and asking me if I'd be interested in transferring to Lakeland so I can play for a ring," HornetFan could not report that to the FHSAA. Or, I guess he could report it, but FHSAA wouldn't do anything. Similarly, the same would be true even if the recruited player brought the matter to the attention of the FHSAA. The FHSAA would only take action if the school where the recruited player currently attends reports the matter to the FHSAA and even then, the FHSAA would then simply turn the matter back over to Polk County to do the investigation. And, as I have pointed out before, there seems to be an "honor among thieves" mentality when it comes to coaches and schools in a district turning in other coaches and schools in that district. No one wants the 'rat' label.
If someone/anyone has knowledge or information contradictory to what I have written, please let me know. But I'm not interested in how it was done 5 years ago, or what your neighbor's cousin who works at the school down the street told you. Give me a reference to the football policy manual or an email or directive from the FHSAA setting forth their policies and procedures.
By the way, HonetFan, I have respect for folks that don't use message boards like this to drag a kid's name through the mud.
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I can help you out with one of them:
In its first five games, Plant has been outscored 183 to 62 (or an average of 36.6 to 12.4). Both the points scored number for Plant as well as the points against number are unlike anything seen over the last 15 years. That said, as I've mentioned before, Plant has played some pretty good teams to open the season, including the 4th and 6th ranked teams in 7A, the 4th ranked team in 6A and the 9th ranked team in the nation (per MaxPreps). Not an excuse; just an explanation.
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17 hours ago, Jambun82 said:
That is almost exactly what I said. How could the officials have done to handle it better? The Head Coach was ejected after no doubt collecting two UNC fouls. Also, we don't know what was said to the officials by the Head Coach. Then this Head Coach clearly does not understand what he did wrong. Also, unless the Head Coach has a law degree, he is NOT the player's attorney. He is the players coach. he needs to worry about coaching his team, and not what the officials are doing.
I'll avoid the sarcasm and simply suggest that this is an analogy. Attorneys are typically the mouthpieces for their clients. In other words, attorneys speak for their clients, whether it be in court or outside of court. I think what the coach was saying, is that it is his job to speak for his players. No coach worth his salt wants his players bitching at the refs. Over the years, most of the coaches I've played for or seen on the sidelines tell their players not to say anything to the refs, but instead come to them if there is a problem and they (the coach) will speak to the refs.
And, with all due respect, one of the head coach's duties and responsibilities is to monitor what the officials are doing. Officials are humans they do make mistakes sometimes (some of which can be fixed on the spot; some of which cannot). Are you suggesting that if the ref incorrectly signals it to be "3rd down" (perhaps because he forgot that the penalty on the offense was declined instead of accepted), the coach shouldn't worry about it? If it were me on the sideline, I'd be yelling my butt off so that the mistake could immediately be corrected. Isn't that what a good official would want -- to "get it right?"
Lakeland's final challenge @ Bloomingdale
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Interestingly, but perhaps not all that surprisingly, I've talked with several Hillsborough folks (including coaches) who feel the exact same way about the refs at the Lakeland games.
I guess hometown cooking goes both ways. Or maybe it just feels that way because of our own inherent biases.