Ray Icaza
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On 1/4/2024 at 7:07 PM, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Union County wouldn't have to play Chaminade if the FHSAA would allow the 8 team open division. Thats one of the reasons I liked that idea.
Those talking about an "OPEN DIVISION" comprised of 24-32 teams are overlooking reality. As I have previously stated, it is my view that the top 10% FL HS teams (roughly 50 teams) tend to follow the rules with a few exceptions. However, when we zero in on the top 1% (roughly 6-8 teams) of FL HS teams they most certainly "RECRUIT". Thus, I fully agree with your take on an open division comprised of only those 8 teams, as only one of them would win the championship each and every year leaving the other 40 odd excellent programs to continually be second fiddles despite doing everything right. Also fully support having districts comprised of a minimum of 5-6 teams with fewer classifications.
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1 hour ago, Hwy17 said:
Here's an article from 2020. It seems to me that FHSAA is quick to throw the book at some schools while turning a blind eye to others.
What seems a bit troublesome about this, if I understand the charges properly they fined a school for "Recruiting" students that were already zoned to attend that school. Not sure that meets the goal of who they should be going after.
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TEDDY BRIDGEWATER - new HC at Miami Northwestern
Teddy Bridgewater lands head coaching job at his alma mater (msn.com)
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They did manage to grab a couple of kids from our returning roster that were probably projected starters. One on the O-line and one on the D-line. Some players that we lose, you can find a pretty good reason for them to do so. These two, I see no upside for them in that program so it is quite puzzling.
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10 hours ago, KeemD321 said:
Not just the coach but a package deal of him and his staff. On top of that the number that has been floating around for the budget for the athletic facilities and for the athletic staff is wild.
But I thought the privates had no advantage over most publics. Based on your input, attracting players may not be a result of winning culture, tradition of excellence, coaching, blah, blah, blah, but instead "Athletic Budget"??? NAAHHH!!!
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4 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Recruiting is illegal but as we all know it is rarely enforced. Speaking of recruiting, I heard a small 1A christian school in Orlando is actively recruiting. kids from all over central florida. Kids leaving central florida powers to go to an average 1A private school. Man times have changed.
That wouldn't by chance be a private school that recently hired the coach from Leesburg who did the same there the previous year? Must just have the knack of "ATTRACTING" players.
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18 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
I love this. These teams had ZERO chance at a title anyways. Doesn’t matter the system. Hell they might not have won the SSAC title. Lol.
I say trim the fat and get rid of all the teams that can’t compete and take up space.
More major counties need to do this.
Level of a teams competitiveness/proficiency has ZERO to do with their ability to identify right from wrong. Simply the old adage of attack the messenger rather than the message, sure fire sign of stupidity.
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3 hours ago, Perspective said:
Yet again, Venice has ventured up into Tampa Bay and convinced a quarterback to transfer down to Venice. This time, rising senior QB Jayce Nixon is leaving Gaither and reportedly has enrolled at Venice, where he will play his senior year. What's the deal? Can't Venice grow and develop its own QB's?
The most important question in your thread is "What's the Deal"??? That is the million dollar question with that position being so critical for a state championship run.
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If you need further proof as to the level of unhappiness HS have with the new FHSAA re-districting plan simply check this article out about 8 Orange county schools opting to go independent instead. That is a pretty significant number.
Orange County pulls football teams out of FHSAA districts (orlandosentinel.com)
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Straight from the Bible is a strong argument ........1 TIMOTHY 6:10!!
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Thought it would be appropriate to resurrect this thread from the archive regarding the transfer portal with this latest recruiting cycle wrapping up. Any thoughts this monstrosity would get better or that it was exasperated due to Covid or any other justification can now be clearly seen in the rear view mirror as not a plus for our HS athletes. They suffer the consequences unless they have a 4* or 5* next to their name and HS coaches throughout the country are clearly frustrated as it has gotten worse in the past year and a half with no light at the end of the tunnel. This "OPEN TRANSFER" concept at both the college level and HS level is a travesty with coaches at both levels declaring it the "WILD WEST" with little doubt NIL money is not limited to just colleges. Wondering who we can blame for this nightmare?
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2 hours ago, Dr. D said:
STA and C-M are Exhibits 1 and 2 in the FHSAA's plans for an Open Division. The Metro-Suburban/1A-7A and district games/no district games arguments were just preliminary to the Open Division implementation. The Board members have a lot more constituents who are "have nots" than "haves". As one Board member said, "you know who they are", of the handful of teams perceived to be ruining it for everyone else. Given the potential money involved and the fairness argument, I'll be shocked if the Open Division is not adopted, and it won't be voluntary.
Interesting point that the Open Division won't be voluntary. Trying to read between the lines which aligns with my feeling that these guys aren't thrilled about having to beat each other up for the 1 TITLE!! They seemed perfectly content beating up on the little guys and prefer the status quo. Hopefully, this FHSAA board will actually do something meaningful.
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My opinion is the roles are actually reversed as STA wasn't a force until the 90's (first title '92), but in the 3A classification as they followed the Bolles model of recruiting super teams. Once they started bouncing back and forth between 4A-5A where we were as well as Lakeland to become a force, the realization kicked in it was time to load up those Dreadnaught cannons. STA was 5A champ in '97, Osceola in '98 and Lakeland in '99 with STA champ in 4A in '99. So around 2000 is when this trend started gaining steam for them as well as some teams in SFL to not rely on a couple of transfers but multiple ones. This continued until judgement day in 2011 when heavy fines were imposed for this rule breaking and the slow changes that came about after that is now history. Privates started this mess, not publics.
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17 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Amendment by member Ray passes!!!!
And for those who are proponents of the relegation/promotion plan you can add a Gold Division for those ranked 33-64 plus a Blue Division for 65-96. So if you are in the top 20%, you get recognized with a playoff spot at your level. Then everyone can stop making excuses.
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38 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Ok here is how you settle everything on the field. 9 rounds to determine one true state champion. Here’s how it works.
First everyone plays 5 regular season games. Just to warm up, get in rhythm, and gel for the playoffs.
RED by Giorgio Beverly HillsEDT SPRAY 3 OZ>The top 512 teams make the playoffs.
Round 1 - 512 teams
Round 2 - 256 teams
Round 3 - 128 teams
Round 4 - 64 teams
Round 5 - 32 teams
Round 6 - 16 teams
Round 7 - 8 teams
Round 8 - 4 teams
Round 9 - 2 teams for the 1 true State Championship.
That means everyone gets 6 games minimum, and if you lose in the early rounds you can just schedule random games with other teams who were eliminated as well. Up to 4 more depending on what round you were eliminated in.
can I get and Amen?
An Amen for trolling everyone?? If you truly wanted one champion you would leave the 11 week season (10 games) and after the 6th game, FHSAA would put out their rankings based on combination of MaxPrep poll and HS Coaches poll. That gets update weekly after that till season end and top 32 teams get in. That would get you to a championship round game in the 5th round just like today. Chaminade as the #! seed got Carrollwood Day #32 and STA #2 seed vs Vanguard #31 in round one, not the farce you described.
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7 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
But they are under the same rules. Columbia could attract talent from all over if the players were talented AND wanted to go there. Even the rural schools are close to each other relatively speaking.
The issue is there isn’t a lot of talent up North. The South has talented oozing out everywhere. Talent literally all over the place. North Florida not so much.
Kids that transfer to Chaminade or STA most likely come from the same proximity as kids who are the same distance to Lake City from Live Oak, Branford, Fort White, Alachua etc etc.
Only difference is the kids going to Chaminade and STA are D1 studs and all those other places up North not so much. But that isn’t South Floridas fault
Simple math. A city of half million will have MORE kids that are tall, big, fast, strong, athletic, have the "IT" factor or any other meaningful metric than a city of 20,000. No one is assigning BLAME, it ain't the fault of Dade, Broward or Palm Beach that they are METRO's. Yulee now and then will produce a single Derrick Henry while Miami may produce dozens. Therein lies the difference and telling someone to just suck it up isn't a good argument. Curious to see if this open division can voluntarily flourish as I doubt the schools that are used to beating up on the little guys are itching for a fight with each other for a single state championship. Which by the way I support. Saying they play by the same rules is a pitiful argument also as I am as big of a boxing fan as a football fan which is why they have weight divisions, aka "FAIRNESS"!! It's like matching a heavyweight with a lightweight. Usually a predictable outcome.
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2 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:
I don't think they could've made it all 4 quarters without a Qb who could throw. The early completions helped keep Venice from selling out to stop the run. And the success, coupled with Venice's fast pace, served to wear down the undersized Venice front seven so that they could pound it the rest of the way.
You are probably right about that, but I think the determination and grit by Zander "INFECTED" the defense in the second half to take control and basically limit what Venice could do other than cheap scores at the end during garbage time.
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Congrats to the Naughts. Venice came in loaded with offensive weapons. QB, wide receivers and terrific running backs to go along with an excellent offensive line...... basically an offensive Juggernaut. But like last year, the defense had no answer for a determined ground game. Despite playing without an effective QB ( ALL heart) in the second half that obviously couldn't throw a pass, simply ran it down their throat. Don't know what else to say other than admiration for the Lakeland squad for a total team win that most thought was not possible.
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Both teams looked like state champions and the better team won. The Mendoza kid seemed to get the read option right every single time and though RB's may have not gained the yardage they are used to, he certainly made up for it. Congrats to your Explorers for a tremendous performance. To think Mandarin will have the Jones kid for another year certainly bodes well for them.
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6 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:
The Bucs kicked a field goal as time expired to win their second state championship in a 100+ year history. Early on after running back the opening kickoff for a touchdown and then blocking a Mainland field goal attempt with then a long scoop and score touchdown, St Augustine appeared ready to blow Mainland off the field 13-0 just like Hollywood Chaminade did to CCC in the day's opening game of the Florida football championships. Only difference was Mainland's defense wasn't having any of that and held the Yellow Jackets too under 50 yards total offense and no more points in the entire first half. Their season scoring average was over 43 points per game. The Bucs then scored 18 straight points in the second half to finally take the lead 18-13. Mainland's offensive star of the game was QB DJ Murray who passed for more than 200 yards and run for 175 yards. He has lead the way throughout the playoffs and most of the regular season. I sure am proud to be a Buccaneer this morning. Hopefully it doesn't take another 20 years to get that 3rd championship. No way I make it.
Speaking of 20 years ago..... Almost to the day Mainland won it's first championship 20 years ago in 2003. In the early game (of two) that year Chaminade-Madonna won it's first championship over Madison County. Yesterday Chaminade wins the early game, Mainland the middle game and Madison loses the nightcap. How's that for a 20year repeat.
Both teams fought like champions last night and always tough when one has to lose. You are spot on about the QB for Mainland as we experienced firsthand what he could do and was certainly the main difference in our loss to them in the regular season. Both teams made some mistakes, missed field goals, and any other excuse one can make with difference being Mainland able to finish the job while St. Augustine did not. Congrats to your Bucs!!
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Guilty as charged as I certainly did believe that TC should be favored in the game and was even more surprised by the lopsided score. As Darter mentioned, he was alone in his belief that Deland would win as everyone else put their money on TC which appeared to have been a safe bet. Obviously, the difference in the game came down to the trigger man in both running attacks and the Deland QB certainly proved to be much more dynamic than George Roberts. I was pulling for Deland so happy with the results and hope they can continue the momentum vs Venice. This will undoubtedly be a much tougher task but we have had some crazy results in the playoffs thus far.
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55 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
He's not going anywhere. Family is well grounded in the Lake Mary community. What they need are three replacement receivers, a good backup running back and more strength in their secondary. If they get all or some of these, they will be a contender next year, too.
Glad to hear that as your view is solid, though it probably won't prevent some nearby school in need of a QB to try.
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6 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
IMG might make a run at him
You reckon they would be the only one??
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You gotta admit, they have figured out that the QB is the lynchpin for a championship run.