Ray Icaza
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25 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
Yes sir it is the 100th, i am taking the prediction right now Osceola goes 4-6 Losing to mainland in a 1 score game and beating west orange by at least 2 scores
If you happen to be correct and we do win the district, we will host the 1st round against one of the two top teams out of District 10. Both seem to be very good teams in University HS (5-0) or Deland HS (4-1) who will most likely decide the District championship for them on Oct. 20th in Orange City. Both of them have some good wins and Deland's only loss was to Mainland. Hope it does playout this way as it has been a frustrating season for the kids.
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2 hours ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
Its not even going to be funny how bad those games will be.
Got the "MILESTONE" game coming up with St. Cloud Friday night which is the 100th EDITION the game will be played and that should result in an easy win. They then get a bye week (much needed) to continue getting players healthy before the final run of 4 games which does include those other 2 district games along with undefeated and top ranked Mainland as well as a good West Orange team.
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1 hour ago, Longtime Observer said:
There are some indications I've picked up on that lead me to think Lakeland is now overrated. Not so much the margin over a weak WInter Haven team (L was without its QB and top three RBs), but some attitude questions. Granted, there are a bunch of teams outside of the top tier which are hard to make distinctions for at this point. But, I'm not optimistic about this Lakeland team in 4S. I think Venice, TC and Buchholz are all major threats. And I'm not sure about how much fight and "dog" this year's Lakeland team has. It's possible the two losses turned some front-runners off. IDK
Why were the QB and RB's out? Injury, discipline or other reason and what will the duration be?
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4 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
I was talking about neighborhood south Florida polls like 305cribs & etc. but nonetheless I feel what you’re saying.
NP, as I am happy with the win for you guys as it was a quality win. There is no shame in losing the 2 big challenges you have ahead as 99% of the schools would fair no better.
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11 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
In my opinion, he should have put Dillard on the list of teams on the bubble, bunched with Monarch, Atlantic, Homestead, etc. That way if Dillard continues to win, and teams in the top 25 fumble, you would be in a good position to reenter the top 25. As he has Gibbons in the bubble list, it would be difficult for him to put Dillard in the top 25.
If Dillard performs well against Chaminade and St. Thomas, I think it would be very difficult to exclude them even if they lost both games in fairly tight matches.
Unfortunately, those games you mention that are coming up is the reason for the strength of schedule; but they haven't been played and who really believes they will be competitive. Nothing justifies them being top 25 on any poll and you and I tend to agree on most analysis.
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9 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
Dam @nolebull813 after that signature win by Dillard last night I thought most def we would be in the TOP 25 at around the 20-25 range.
especially since coconut creek is up there. Creek beat a overhyped western team that is equivalent to Miramar.
Like western Miramar has been ranked in every poll all year. Around the 12-15 range in the top 15 south Florida. But aye I still respect your list GO DILLARD!Just curious, outside your own poll which polls is Miramar showing as a top 20-25 range team? They weren't in the poll Nolebull813 put out "LAST WEEK" and they certainly aren't in the MaxPrep poll from "LAST WEEK"; it ranked them #87. If anything they will drop more when the newest polls come out this week. The only top 25 team Dillard has played thus far is CG as even Naples was ranked in the '80's last week, so not really getting the "Tough Schedule" to date. Yes, you have a couple of doozies down the road, but thru this weekend, not so much. But nonetheless, congrats on a good win.
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9 minutes ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
What in the world is going on in Kissimmee? If you had told me 6 months ago that The Kowboys would start 0-5, I would have split my sides laughing. But now…
Very embarassing loss as Rockledge was as challenged as us on offense and should have never got the last TD which was the only one produced by their offense. Too many mistakes, fumbles, bad snaps, kick coverage, you name it. Worse, it was torture to watch.
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
I'm setting this up as a separate thread, instead of responding in the Week 5 Pick 'Ems Thread, just in case someone wants to continue the conversation after that thread gets locked.
If I've got it right, Chaminade and Central square off tonight in what is arguably the Game of the Week for the entire nation. Two teams ranked nationally in the Top 5. The game will be broadcast on ESPN2. Kickoff (or, more likely, coverage is scheduled to begin) at 7:00. Tough game to pick; arguments can be made for both teams. Should be a good one.
Thanks for the reminder, will definitely record it while I will be attending our game at home tonight. You are correct about the national implications, but mainly it should be very entertaining.
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1 hour ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
Is there any hope that Melendez could return for the playoffs?
When injury occurred, the official statement was he was done for the year. I have not heard anything contradicting that at the present time, though I suppose anything is possible.
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20 hours ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
Kissimmee Osceola has had a multitude of untimely injuries to deal with. They are better than their 0-4 record indicates. Bleeding has to stop eventually, it does here. Osceola wins this one.
0-4 is who we are up to this point due to inconsistent offensive production, partly due to depleted backfield and inexperience at QB. We have also suffered with the injury bug on the defensive side but will have a couple of key starters back (obviously not Melendez) which will certainly help tomorrow night. Hopefully we can pick up our first win and then have a bye week to make a strong showing the second half of the season as I fully expect we will.
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20 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Golden Gate's sole loss is to undefeated Bartow. If Bartow still had the Jones Sophomore QB, they would likely be a force to reckon with this year.
This is true and Bartow is a good team but barely crack the top 100, not even the top 50. Golden Gate's other victories had been to bottom dwellers until the Naples game. My sole point was losing to Naples doesn't add to the resume of top ranked teams on your schedule as may have been previously thought and puts it in a better perspective.
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52 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
I’m gonna add 1 (3-1) Miramar @ (1-2) Dillard - panthers yes you’ve had a tough schedule & yes you were in competitive in the first half in both of them. But you’re 1-2 with an another good team coming to your home turf. What are you gonna do ?
Are you gonna ride to the occasion & win or are you gonna do what most expect you to do which is fall to 1-3.
Naples loss doesn't help the resume when they turned around and lost at home the very next week against Golden Gate; yeah, I was thinking the same thing..... Golden who???
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27 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
i hope Osceola gets back on track this week
sce
With several key injured players returning, it makes a win much more likely vs Rockledge.
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2 hours ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
i think Poinciana got some of their swagger back last night, phenomenal game they played with some edge last night we haven't seen this year beat horizon 28-27
Happy to hear Poinciana getting back on track as this will definitely raise their spirits going forward.
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9 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
Dominated Osceola better than Treasure Coast and Jones. About the same as Seminole.
Not really as outside of Swint we had most of the team healthy vs TC, including the RB's and even Melendez until he went down in the 3rd quarter. Not the case last night with many more starters and some of their backups on the sidelines as we were down to 1 RB returning from a broken hand. It was common knowledge that Swint would not dress last night and those "Speculating" we were saving him for Lakeland just proves their ignorance as well as their arrogance. I thought our OL played relatively well as we were forced to throw many more times than we would have liked and I only recorded one sack and one pressure all night. To suggest having Swint at full strength would have made no difference in the running game again is idiocy as a couple of chunk plays were made and in one they probably would not have been able to run him down from behind like they did our WR playing RB. Lakeland possesses a tandem of very good backs that are hard to bring down and watching the game in person then again the broadcast, was evident most yards were after contact. Swint brings that element, plus elusiveness and explosiveness. Initial safety for 2 pts. was after we made a goal line stop when they fumbled at the 1. On the ensuing first play our young QB mishandled a bad snap which allowed him to be stopped in the endzone; self-inflicted. Second score in the first quarter was about a 15 yard run around end that we were in a position to stop but good hard running again was the difference. The next score came after a short drive by us when we connected on a pass play for a first down and the defender appeared to tackle our WR around the helmet, twisting him around causing the fumble return for 75 yards. Final score of the half was a well executed corner route that beat our defender for the 26-0 halftime lead. The second half, similar to the TC game we pretty much shut them down as they were unable to score again. Other important stat was our four turnovers to their one. Props to Jalen Bell who was all over the field making play, probably over a dozen tackles and a handful of tackles for loss. Many players that may not have seen the field much this year have been forced into action which may be a benefit going forward. With personnel available, Lakeland was definitely the better team last night but didn't look to me like a championship team. As always, just my take.
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8 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
On the one hand, you refer to the KOC with Armwood as a real game because the "Coaches" played to win; I assume meaning the coaches opinion carries more weight than us dummies on this forum. On the other hand, when "Our HC" as well as others will readily tell you they put this tough schedule together "Intentionally" to prepare them for the playoffs you are the genius and that is just "Mythology" or stupidity on their part. Exhibit #2... you cry about the difficult schedule your Naughts have this year and how a 1-2 record should not affect them being ranked at the very top despite Joshua not having you in the Top 10 when it comes to strength of schedule. Then turn around and want to poke fun of our squad's 0-3 start despite the same Joshua having us ranked #2 in SOS in all of 4S. Clear examples of putting foot in mouth and I could keep going with numerous more but you would still be making excuses so it would just be an exercise in futility.
By the way, last year Swint was a 3* and Melendez was an unknown to experts like you. Melendez exploded into a 4* after the season ended and during the offseason. We have those kinds of players on our roster today unknown to experts like you.
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10 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
What is it that I am supposed to put my foot in my mouth for?
You had Melendez and Swint last year too..along with all of the other top players that graduated. Now, you just have them. So, their loss stings that much more. It is darn near impossible for a program in a rural area (though not too far from Orlando, I know) to lose THAT many great players and just bounce right back. There's no shame in the drop off, but there's no shock in it, either.
FWIW, I don't think the tough schedule made Osceola any better last year, either. I think the playoff game with Lakeland being a rematch did help them, especially given that both teams liked to play at a slower pace and were defense-oriented. Rematches tend to be lower scoring as it is. But, those games were tough because Osceola was tough as nails. Losing to Jones didn't make Osceola's defense tough. Osceola's players and coaches made their defense tough.
On the one hand, you refer to the KOC with Armwood as a real game because the "Coaches" played to win; I assume meaning the coaches opinion carries more weight than us dummies on this forum. On the other hand, when "Our HC" as well as others will readily tell you they put this tough schedule together "Intentionally" to prepare them for the playoffs you are the genius and that is just "Mythology" or stupidity on their part. Exhibit #2... you cry about the difficult schedule your Naughts have this year and how a 1-2 record should not affect them being ranked at the very top despite Joshua not having you in the Top 10 when it comes to strength of schedule. Then turn around and want to poke fun of our squad's 0-3 start despite the same Joshua having us ranked #2 in SOS in all of 4S. Clear examples of putting foot in mouth and I could keep going with numerous more but you would still be making excuses so it would just be an exercise in futility.
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5 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:
But this year's Osceola team is *not* identical. This year's team is not equipped to handle the teams its had to face. There are plenty of teams it could have beaten, to get to a 3-0 or 2-1 record. But, they are now 0-3. And that, by itself, is going to hurt their playoff seed. Also, that gauntlet is not going to bring you the kind of players you had last year. John Walker and Jakeem Jackson aren't walking through your door just because you took some Ls.
We know those losses have hurt the playoff seed, but that schedule was a two-year deal and we expected to perform just as well this year as last. You obviously, talk a lot but know little about us. Jackson and Walker were 4 stars. Melendez and Swint are now 4* that we haven't had basically all season. If our team didn't have the injury bug to not only them but to many others, that record would look very different. So stick to a team you actually know something about and we don't need a bunch of players walking through our door going forward (or as you refer to Lakeland doing..."Recruiting them) as they are young and already in the house. In other words, we aren't going anywhere next year as even the aforementioned 4 stars are class of 2025. Put brain in gear before putting foot in mouth.
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2 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
I maintain that it is not wise to schedule these gauntlet schedules. Treasure Coast did it last year. How did their record and postseason turn out? Osceola did it this year; they are winless and their playoff rating will suffer as a result. Lakeland did it this year, and we see they are 1-2 and if CAI gets Evans Chuba back, that could be a 3rd loss and that's really going to hurt considering the computers won't consider that he missed these games they've narrowly lost.
The powerhouse teams WILL expose weaknesses. But, there's almost never anything a team can do about those weaknesses within the season. Lakeland and Venice are sub-elite physically speaking in the defensive front seven. Armwood, Cocoa, MNW, Norland and SJP all proved as much. And there's nothing either can do about it until they can recruit better players (or not) during the off-season. But, now, with the screwy ratings system the FHSAA uses, the losses absorbed by those teams is almost certainly going to hurt them in playoff seedings. And, "haters" have plenty more to chew on with them losing games.
Just to be clear, Osceola schedule this year is "IDENTICAL" to last years so using our team to bolster your point of view just shows you are picking examples to fit your narrative. It seemed to work very well in our quest last year for a state championship in giving Lakeland all they could handle in their backyard. Other factors you fail to account for are reasons for our early season struggles.
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4 hours ago, Perspective said:
Nolebull, you make a valid point. The only thing that someone could argue in response is that Cocoa ran the "kneel down" play successfully two more times, so you really don't have to play the "what if" game. We know what happened.
Seems like a solid legal argument.
The defense rest its case.
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52 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
I can say from watching the game i am impressed with how far along Cam west is coming along as being Osceola's QB, if it were me i wouldn't play the other kid again id stick with what's starting to work.
Wow. something we may agree on. I have no dog in the hunt and certainly am not advocating for one kid over the other. However, I certainly feel that choosing who the starter is will impart confidence and relieve pressure that will allow whomever they decide on to perform better. Friday Cam did show some things we had not seen before; positive things.
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19 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
What do y'all think will happen.....the typical FHSAA response, officials going through extra training, or results being reversed? @nolebull813 @Cat_Scratch2 @VeniceIndianFan @DarterBlue2 @Jambun82 @Ray Icaza @DILLARD_HIGH_PANTHERS @Vero Indian
Sad that this should not be "Unthinkable", but rather good faith effort in support of "Fair Play". It obviously should also carry some repercussions for the refs because 4 consecutive rulings that are all wrong favoring one team shows "INTENT". Any of us can make a mistake and refs are no different, so I hesitate to judge others for being human. This case is clearly egregious.
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1 hour ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
When Osceola gets their running back room back, they will be competitive with anyone in 4S. Best 0-3 team in the state hands down. Treasure Coast is the favorite right now, though it’s still early.
Our #2 RB is out for the year with a shoulder injury, but we should be getting Taevion back soon. Obviously he is a difference maker and despite the quality of our other backs, they aren't him.
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Thanks so much for reminding me of the new format and I stand corrected. I think the point I was trying to make is as follows:
1. Win the District and you are automatically in.
2. District champ gets to host the first-round game regardless of seeding formula.
3. Whomever we get will not be an easy game, but will be at home.