JaxFootballGuy

...that's the point of vacating it.

Gulf Breeze has surprised the area starting 4-0 and beating Pine Forest.  Coach Pollard is an amazing coach, so I don't understand why anyone would think otherwise.  Gulf Breeze gets no break this week with West Florida Tech.  Probably the best game this week as far as the panhandle is concerned will be Tate @ Niceville. 

Since when is Jerry Pollard a bad coach?

I would move Fleming Island and First Coast up a notch and put Fletcher somewhere in the mix. Mandarin, despite their good season last year, may be rated too high.

Score was close, Sandalwood controlled the game throughout. Probably had 350 rushing, had some penalties though, 2 TDs were taken off the board because of those penalties. Columbia's offense looked good on the first drive, mostly on the ground. They didn't get much going in the passing game all night, maybe 2 or 3 passes completed to WRs, all others were swing passes to the RB out the backfield. Columbia will win their district, and probably a playoff game or two. Sandalwood was big and physical offensively. Could not get much going through the Air

I don't think you could do it off roster size. That number is too easy to manipulate. Plus every school is a little different. There are some schools that make cuts, or limit their roster sizes, while others allow anyone who wants to be on the team to play.

That's how it should be. You should not be able to move up or down. You play where you are assigned. I think there would be very few teams that would choose to opt out if given the hard stance. If you don't like where the figures put you, then play an independent schedule.

I could care less how Ga and Alabama does it, And nothing is handed to you in the system we have now win and your in, Win the district and host the first round simple as that. And to say the fans dont really matter is just stupid where do you think the money comes from Gate revenue and fund raising by you guessed it the fans and supporters. Just because I dont agree with your assessment does not mean i want anything handed to me so lets get that straight right now. You are entitled to you opinion with out being ridiculed  just as i am entitled to mine.     

Even if they Dont go to the point system completely they can keep districts but then use the point system to determine the seeding among the district champs but they host over any wild card and use the point system to set up wild card teams, but the idea of team hosting because of being higher or lower on the bracket is dumb

Not fair to anyone? That is an incentive. Go out and earn it. This is what aggravates me is that everyone wants things handed to them these days. Lower seed is always on the road in Georgia & Alabama and they make teams travel even further than the FHSAA would be demanding here on this proposal.
 
(Trying to not be mean, I am trying to tell it straight up as how I see it. This is the kind of stuff that aggravates me is when people call something unfair yet fail to see how our neighbors do it and they do some form of seeding already. Alabama and Georgia ready to laugh us probably calling an idea of the higher seed hosting every round unfair to lower seeds). 

That is because most of the people on here are fans, not coaches or ADs. I have reached out to numerous coaches or they have reached out to me to express opinion. Some are against the idea and come from the schools that are having a hard time getting anything done not seeing the benefits of making a schedule that benefits their team. I have also had some coaches including from a couple of the known powerhouses reach out to me. One likes it because they see it as to be the best, you have to play the best and so forth, while another of those powerhouses is so concerned they won't get games yet that one powerhouse is in a small district and was able to find 7 games on their own last year. 
 
The biggest thing I think I am seeing here is the fans don't understand how this works because they are so stuck on what they know and any idea of change won't fly with them and to me its not totally about the fans in some degree (meaning none of us going to have the final shot call to what the FHSAA does), but about what is best to encourage the best teams to be in the playoffs. Yeah you all have said shrink the classifications, but that is easier said than done and requires a policy change to make that work and it can't happen overnight. There is a reason why there are layers of things have to go through before just making a change. I agree if they don't go to this then shrink the classes. I have looked at it and we could go to 7. I will find what I did and share it in a separate post soon.
 
However, the fact is we should all give kudos to the FHSAA for even approaching this subject. They know it was going to stir talk and that is what they want it to do. In the end the member schools are going to have their say with the survey and if they are not participating to make their voices heard it is their own fault at this point. The FHSAA is trying to be open about this. Something is going to happen wither it is this or some modification to the system we have now. The playoffs need a jolt somewhere, but this playing cross district and having rematches Round 2 just doesn't do anything. I will also say though if given time to allow the FHSAA to test this new system we might see some incredible things. The data used so far is based use part of schedules with teams in districts so it is not reflecting totally of the teams possibly being in a conference in their county/area with the schedule not being mandated with district games either. 
 
There is a lot here, but this is going to be fun to see what the end result comes to be.

I agree, that if you are the #1 seed, you should host. I think if you have the best record, or top seed, you've earned the right to host throughout the playoffs. 

I think the only fair solution would be to make bigger districts with more teams getting in from each district. I believe it was agreed on, then eventually shot down because of travel a few years ago. I don't like the point system that is proposed. Like others have said, it is too complicated. I think a simple fix would be to balance the districts, or cut the amount of districts in half, and allow 4 teams from each district to get in.
 
I prefer a system that's very straight forward, I don't trust the point system completely. There's a chance that it works, but there needs to be some sort of checks to make sure there is a clear cut path to the playoffs, not something that is dependent on so many factors. If they want to still allow district champions to get in, and create some sort of point system for everyone else who did not win their district, that would be fair to me. With that, I know before the season what we need to do to get in the playoffs, which would be to win the district. If you don't do so, then you are at the mercy of this point system.

Think about this year, we went to Lincoln a 4-6 team and best them during season but bc they in district 1 and we were district 2 we had to travel again, we should have gotten the host and if we were number 1 seed like we should have been, if there is a clear number 1 seed you should get the host of the playoff games

While it's good to have this conversation discussing future changes in the playoff rules to say most coaches and AD want this change is not evident by the looks of this thread, Also a school with 800 kids should never be allowed in 1A, Sorry about the drug problem in your community but that has no bearing on classification or the playoff format. This new system smells of socialism society like we the little people dont know whats good for us so big brother the FHSAA and the media want to decide for us by saying WE WANT TO SEE CLOSER GAMES IN THE PLAYOFF. I dont like it and i think most on here would agree.       

I'm Still not sold

Would you rather play the 2015  7A Reagan Storm (7-3) or 2015 7A Blanche Ely Tigers (2-9)?   Who was the better team last year in reality?
 
I can tell you who will likely have the better record over the next few years and I can clearly tell you who the better team is (regardless of record) over the next few years.  
 
The opposing teams would fight over playing easy-money Reagan and avoid Ely at all cost.  Who get's first dibs on Reagan and who gets screwed having to play Ely in the future?
 
The 6A Mitchell Mustangs (10-2 in 2015) could very well have a better record than the 6A Miami Northwestern Bulls (5-5 in 2015)  over the next few years.  I can tell you who the better team will be to infinity and beyond.
 
How about 2015 records in 5A you have a choice of playing 7-3 Lemon Bay, 3-6 Jackson or 3-6 Godby for future games?   Sign me up for Lemon Bay for the next 3 years please - quickly!  Easy$$$!
 
 
 
There is no flawless system.

All this just seams WAY to complicated to me and talk about a nightmare to manage. WOW you think the FHSAA has complaints now just wait and see how this turns out.

Ladies & Gents,
 
Got an example here for you.
 
First I modified the points for the example for Category 3 and 4 wins. Instead of 40 and 35 points respectively I brought it down to 35 (win in CAT 3) and 30 (win in CAT 4) . I left the points alone for loss since they fit already in to the model.
 

 
Second I took the bonus points out for playing a team in a higher class. That to me has been a bone of contention with a TON of teams in the higher classes, especially 8A. My opinion is just take them out and it would make it easier for acceptance.
 
However, I have added incentive bonus points. These bonus points can be earned REGARDLESS OF CLASSIFICATION:
 
- 1 bonus point for beating a team with 80% or more wins over the last five years before the current season
- 1 bonus point for scheduling a final four team from the previous season
- 4 bonus points for defeating that final four team on the schedule
 
So here is Class 7A, Region I again which has been a good region to test on since we got various factors using everything I just mentioned above:
 

 
Here is the breakdown on why each team got the bonus points they did
 
Lincoln:
- 1 point for Niceville being a final four team from 2014
- 1 point for Manatee being a final four team from 2014
- 4 points for defeating Manatee
- 1 point for Manatee 80% wins w/win
= 7 bonus points
 
Columbia: 
- 1 point for Bolles being a final four team from 2014
- 4 points for defeating Bolles
- 1 point for Bolles 80% wins w/win
- 1 point for First Coast 80% wins w/win
- 1 point for Suawnnee being a final four team from 2014
- 4 points for defeating Suwannee
= 12 bonus points
 
First Coast: 
- 1 point for Miami Central being a final four team from 2014
= 1 bonus point
 
Atlantic Coast:
- 1 point for First Coast 80% wins w/win
= 1 bonus point
 
Bartram Trail: 
- 1 bonus point for Mainland being a final four team from 2014
= 1 bonus point
 
Edgewater: 
- 1 bonus point for Apopka being a final four team from 2014
= 1 bonus point
 
Ocoee: 
- 1 bonus point for Apopka being a final four team from 2014
= 1 bonus point
 
TIEBREAKER
As you will note Robert E. Lee (7-3) and Oakleaf (8-2) end up tied in this simulation. Well the tiebreaker calls for head-to-head first. Neither team played each other so it moves on to Step 3. Team with the most Category 1 wins would win the tiebreaker in this situation will get the higher see/remaining spot. In this case Robert E. Lee had one Category 1 win (over Sandalwood) and that broke the tie right there leaving Oakleaf out. It would be a good note that Oakleaf would not benefit at all playing Arlington Country Day and would be suggested by others to get them off the schedule and find someone else. If you know ACD is a bad team and wouldn't help you get to the playoffs, why in the heck schedule them? Proof here the system works and that teams should schedule tougher if they want to be recognized as a top team, not a team winning games just to be winning. Get my point? 
 
YOUR REGION 1 PLAYOFF BRACKET:
 
#1 Columbia vs. #8 Robert E. Lee
#4 Edgewater vs. #5 Hagerty
#3 Bartram Trail vs. #6 Ocoee
#2 Buchholz vs. #7 Lincoln
 
 
Gatorman...again as you want to keep saying Creekside is going to get in...look at the average that Creekside has and look at everyone else. They are not even close. Oakleaf, Leon, Atlantic Coast, Fletcher, Fleming Island, East Ridge and Lake Minneola all with .500 records or better are ahead of them. So please again show me where Creekside actually can go 0-10 and get in because really they can't. The only .500 or better team that Creekside is ahead of is Chiles because they don't benefit at all playing weak 1A teams. 

Mr. Wilson,
 
I have emailed with Mr. Beasley as well and I do understand where this is coming from.
I would also point that the first go around for the proposed system, I basically proved why the system wouldn't work as 0-10 Creekside would have made the playoffs. While this system is obviously better than the first proposed system, pardon me if I willing to question things when some simple math proved how bad the system would be.

 
But some issues still remain as they try and sell this:
They are selling this as it "rewards playing a tough schedule" Two questions come to mind, 1) How does the current system punish you for playing a tough schedule? and 2) How do you define a tough schedule?
My example would be Apopka from 2014. They entered 8A playoffs as a 6-4 district runner-up. They win the state championship. Now all of their losses were against 7-3 teams or better, so they weren't losing to scrubs. At the same time, I doubt they could be in the playoffs with a 6-4 record in 8A under the new system. 
 
Second, how does one define a tough schedule. Teams rise and fall all the time. In the Jacksonville area, both First Coast and Ed White were a lot worse than people would expected this year and as a result would have been a drain on your schedule. How is that fair the the kids? They don't control who is willing to play them or how good their opponents are. I look at Santa Fe a couple of years ago. They were on a tear beating teams then their QB becomes out for the season and the team looks average. I look at a school like Hamilton County who plays in the 1A state championship game in 2014 and then goes 4-6 in 2015.
Third, County ADs are going to use this as a way to take control of schedules. Look at Duval County again. Until recently, no schools played outside of the Gateway Conference for out of district games. If you think County ADs in big metro areas are going to allow tons of cross-state games because of this, then you have never talked to one of these ADs. They care about saving money. So don't expect a school like Raines to be playing Mainland for example. (Yes, I know Raines and First Coast played out of county the past two years, but only because Superintendent worked in Miami-Dade.) Look to St Johns County, Creekside went 0-10 last year, who wants that team on their schedule? At no point will Bartram, Nease, Ponte Vedra, or St. Augustine drop them though, it is a gate game and cheap travel game. Does that game hurt playoffs chances even with a win? Yup.
 
So yes, of course, County ADs love this. They see cost savings. Of course, coaches love this. They don't have to schedule powerhouse schools so they can pump up that win %. Are fans going to love this? Nope, way too confusing to figure out. The fact that a team can go from being #1 seed to being a #4 because an opponent from week 1 loses a game is to me something fans will not enjoy.

Do I understand the need for a system that does avoids 50-0 blowouts? Sure do. I understand it in terms of money (nobody shows up to that game). I understand it terms of competition (Winning and Losing Coaches hate those games). I understand it terms of player safety (2nd teamers lighting up overly tired 1st teamers). I just think that promotion/relegation is easier to do without changing the simple system of winners/runner-ups.

I plan on seeing that one. I'm going to check out Raines/Trinity Christian on the 19th and Sandalwood/Columbia on the 20th. Both should be good games. 

@columbiahighfan How did the game go. Any standout players you noticed. I'm curious to see how they will do this Spring. They are my favorites to win their district this year.

As far as public schools in duval, I think I'd say Raines, and Sandalwood may be the best right now. I've heard rumors that Ribault will have a pretty good team too.
 
I didn't mean to hijack the thread though. Fleming Island, during the Webb era, and at the beginning of the Hall era were some really physical, disciplined, tough teams. I've always admired them, because I never thought they had that great of athletes, but could play with anybody. I watched all of their clashes with First Coast, and they would lose, usually on some fluke play late in the 4th qtr. FC seemed to be the luckiest team alive for a while, but they were extremely talented.

Thanks, I just follow the entire area pretty closely. Columbia is impressive most of the times I see them.