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Nulli Secundus got a reaction from Ray Icaza in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
That should've been done decades ago and factored into operational expenses as a write-off anyway outside of the typical grants. Closed mouths don't get fed, lol. Aren't the Rays trying to get a new stadium now? Guess where that money is coming from, lol. The standard cost of doing business in the state of Florida for ALL professional teams should be to supplement high school athletic initiatives in perpetuity.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to Dr. D in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
Any change would likely originate from the Football Advisory Committee, which holds its annual meeting on January 12. I'm sure they would welcome any creative/progressive/innovative suggestions from the general public.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to THIS_IS_DILLARD in Cow Bells and Air Horns (Artificial noisemakers)???
Lol haha
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Nulli Secundus reacted to Dan in Daytona in Maybe the FHSAA got it right?
I like the crisscrossing. Sorry your school can't afford it......wash some more cars. Also that Miami Central could play Miami Northwestern in the final. Or any number of neighboring powerhouses from the same area. ....SB ?
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Nulli Secundus reacted to 181pl in Maybe the FHSAA got it right?
Legitimate seeding is mostly found in pro sports and is based solely on records and nothing else. It’s not a group of nerds getting together to decide who should be ranked higher than somebody else. In the NCAA it’s necessary for basketball because there are so many teams. In college football it’s subjective nonsense based on trying to get the most attractive TV matchups. In high school it’s not a very good idea. Best ways is for a District champ and District runner-up to qualify and then you move up and down the bracket. The same applies to everyone and can change year to year. If a great team has to go on the road to beat a mediocre team so be it.
Again, my opinion.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to Dan in Daytona in Polk County Fun fact
Nulli, lets see how delicate I can put this and not run afoul of Josh's heavy hand. It appears most of Polk's success is after Florida's integration of the races in 1970. Also lets give coach Bill Castle a shout out for laying the ground work and showing/teaching followers how it is done. If I'm not mistaken H.O.F. Coach Rick Darlington falls into this group. Much like Brevard's county's coach Gerald (Jerry) Odom and his followers/students/ball players. My wife has family in Plant City. I've been there, seen the strawberries, and seen a little of the mining operations. Throw in a few cows and horses and I've haven't seen much more "industry". What "BROUGHT" in the large group of African-Americans that to this day keeps rural Polk County with an endless supply of D-1 athletes. What's over there ? It can't be the water, Pasco county and Zephyrhills got that.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to DarterBlue2 in Polk County Fun fact
I think Polk wins both games this year.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to 181pl in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
i like it. would never fly, but i like it.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to LakelandGator in 4S Title Game: Venice vs. Lakeland (Saturday 12/17 1:00)
Wow Ray we agreed on something!
In all honesty good call, Venice thought a "6 man front" would be what the doctor ordered for stopping the Lakeland offense and it actually played into the Dreadnaughts hands.
Bill Castle power football was still able to run the Indians into the ground and they apparently forgot about the Lakeland WRs who stole their cookies back in May.
Your Kowboys were able to shut down the Naughts passing game and Venice thought they would be able to do the same. It really exposed a bad game plan by Peacock and staff.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to nolebull813 in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
I love the idea. Texas does something similar at their top classes but they determine it by enrollment after they finish in the district race.
I believe they still do it. They take the top 4 teams in the district and send the 2 with the largest enrollments to the Division 1 bracket and the 2 smallest enrollments to the D2 one.
So the idea is similar. And I think it’s a great idea. Some teams might intentionally lose the district so they can play in the bush leagues. Lol.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to gatorman-uf in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
I would rather see something like this in the individual sports first (golf, weightlifting, track, tennis, wrestling) and then to other team sports and then football.
As for FHSAA $$$ concerns, the FHSAA budget was 6.6 million. I am surprised that the 3 NFL teams, the 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, and 2 MLS teams don't get together and say, we got this for you as you provide our future fans and athletes. Or that state legislators don't fund it since they want to run it anyway.
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Nulli Secundus got a reaction from gatorman-uf in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
Apologies in advance for the long post. Since this is the season for unrealistic FHSAA expectations that will never come to frutition @nolebull813 @gatorman-uf (and everyone else that thinks outside the box, lol) here's my shot.
A redesigned playoff format for the 24-25 season would be installed where the overall goal would be to truly make every game count to determine playoff teams. For example, all schools would play 7-8 (some 6, some 9) district opponents to decide the overall district champs and a berth to participate in the Champion of Champions tournament. Fear not. For those that believe that not enough team makes the playoffs, the runner-ups can also play in a different playoff bracket so that each district receives two representatives for the playoffs.
FHSAA Champion of Champions Tournament - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Champions bracket would consist of only the district champions representing the 64 districts.
FHSAA Runner Up Games (R.U.G.) - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Runner-up bracket would consist of district runner-ups representing the 64 districts. This bracket would allow teams that almost won their respective districts a chance to continue post season play for a chance at 3rd/4th place in the state.
Based on the numbers, the FHSAA could allow the top 5-7 teams from each district to enter the playoffs in different brackets based on their district rankings.
District Champs - Top playoff bracket, district winners only Runner up - playoff bracket for 2nd place (runner-up) teams 3rd - playoff bracket for 3rd place teams
---------------------------------------------------------- 4th - playoff bracket for 4th place teams........O_K 5th - playoff bracket for 5th place teams........V_ I 6th - playoff bracket for 6th place teams........E_ L 7th - playoff bracket for 7th place teams........R_ L However, beyond a certain level (top 3) I believe it's overkill and turns into a participation contest at that point.
Region 1
District 1
Tate (Cantonment)
Escambia (Pensacola)
Pine Forest (Pensacola)
Washington (Pensacola)
Pensacola
Pensacola Catholic
West Florida (Pensacola)
Northview (Century)
District 2
Gulf Breeze
Milton
Navarre
Pace
Niceville
Choctawhatchee (Fort Walton Beach)
Fort Walton Beach
Jay
District 3
Crestview
Walton (DeFuniak Springs)
South Walton (Santa Rosa Beach)
Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville)
Baker
Freeport
Holmes County (Bonifay)
Vernon
District 4
Cottondale
Sneads
Marianna
Graceville
Chipley
Gadsden County (Havana)
Munroe (Quincy)
Blountstown
District 5
Mosley (Lynn Haven)
Arnold (Panama City Beach)
Bay (Panama City)
North Bay Haven (Panama City)
Rutherford (Panama City)
Bozeman (Panama City)
Port St. Joe
Wewahitchka
District 6
Wakulla (Crawfordville)
Franklin County (Eastpoint)
Liberty County (Bristol)
Rickards (Tallahassee)
Florida High (Tallahassee)
Maclay (Tallahassee)
FAMU (Tallahassee)
St. John Paul II (Tallahassee)
District 7
Chiles (Tallahassee)
Godby (Tallahassee)
North Florida Christian (Tallahassee)
Leon (Tallahassee)
Lincoln (Tallahassee)
Taylor County (Perry)
Aucilla Christian (Monticello)
Jefferson County (Monticello)
District 8
Hamilton County (Jasper)
Suwannee (Live Oak)
Madison County (Madison)
Bell
Branford
Lafayette (Mayo)
Dixie County (Cross City)
Trenton
District 9
Columbia (Lake City)
Fort White
Union County (Lake Butler)
Gainesville
Bradford (Starke)
Santa Fe (Alachua)
Hawthorne
Newberry
District 10
Buchholz (Gainesville)
Eastside (Gainesville)
P. K. Yonge (Gainesville)
Dunnellon
Trinity Catholic (Ocala)
Bronson
Chiefland
Williston
District 11
Forest (Ocala)
West Port (Ocala)
Vanguard (Ocala)
Palatka
North Marion (Citra)
Crescent City
Lake Weir (Ocala)
District 12
Fleming Island
Oakleaf (Orange Park)
Middleburg
Orange Park
Ridgeview (Orange Park)
Clay (Green Cove Springs)
Baker County (Glen St. Mary)
Keystone Heights
District 13
North Florida Educational (Jacksonville)
University Christian (Jacksonville)
Baldwin
Fernandina Beach
West Nassau (Callahan)
Yulee
Hilliard
District 14
Wolfson (Jacksonville)
Ed White (Jacksonville)
Riverside (Jacksonville)
Westside (Jacksonville)
Christs Church Academy (Jacksonville)
Providence (Jacksonville)
Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)
District 15
Terry Parker (Jacksonville)
Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville)
Raines (Jacksonville)
Ribault (Jacksonville)
Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)
Bolles (Jacksonville)
Episcopal (Jacksonville)
District 16
Atlantic Coast (Jacksonville)
Mandarin (Jacksonville)
Sandalwood (Jacksonville)
Englewood (Jacksonville)
First Coast (Jacksonville)
Fletcher (Neptune Beach)
Region 2
District 17
Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
Creekside (St. Johns)
Nease (Ponte Vedra)
Ponte Vedra
Menendez (St. Augustine)
St. Augustine
Tocoi Creek (St. Augustine)
St. Joseph (St. Augustine)
District 18
Flagler Palm Coast
DeLand
New Smyrna Beach
Spruce Creek (Port Orange)
University (Orange City)
Matanzas (Palm Coast)
Atlantic (Port Orange)
Taylor (Pierson)
District 19
Lake Mary
Seminole (Sanford)
Deltona
Mainland (Daytona Beach)
Pine Ridge (Deltona)
Seabreeze (Daytona Beach)
Father Lopez (Daytona Beach)
Halifax Academy (Daytona Beach)
District 20
East Ridge (Clermont)
Lake Minneola
South Lake (Groveland)
Leesburg
Tavares
Eustis
Mount Dora
Umatilla
District 21
Apopka
Evans (Orlando)
Lake Brantley
Hagerty (Oviedo)
Lyman (Longwood)
Oviedo
Winter Springs
Wekiva (Apopka)
District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)
District 23
Colonial (Orlando)
Timber Creek (Orlando)
University (Orlando)
Winter Park
Boone (Orlando)
Cypress Creek (Orlando)
Freedom (Orlando)
District 24
Lake Nona (Orlando)
Oak Ridge (Orlando)
Dr. Phillips (Orlando)
Olympia (Orlando)
Windermere
East River (Orlando)
Lake Howell (Winter Park)
District 25
Edgewater (Orlando)
Bishop Moore (Orlando)
Lake Buena Vista (Orlando)
First Academy (Orlando)
Orlando Christian Prep
District 26
George Jenkins (Lakeland)
Kathleen (Lakeland)
Bartow
Fort Meade
Mulberry
Tenoroc (Lakeland)
Lakeland Christian
Victory Christian (Lakeland)
District 27
Lake Gibson (Lakeland)
Lakeland
Haines City
Winter Haven
Auburndale
Lake Region (Eagle Lake)
Discovery (Lake Alfred)
District 28
Ridge Community (Davenport)
Celebration
Tohopekaliga (Kissimmee)
Davenport
Gateway (Kissimmee)
Lake Wales
Frostproof
District 29
Osceola (Kissimmee)
St. Cloud
Harmony
Liberty (Kissimmee)
Astronaut (Titusville)
Holy Trinity (Melbourne)
Melbourne Central Catholic
District 30
Heritage (Palm Bay)
Melbourne
Viera (Melbourne)
Bayside (Palm Bay)
Eau Gallie (Melbourne)
Merritt Island
Okeechobee
Cocoa
District 31
Centennial (Port St. Lucie)
Fort Pierce Central
Vero Beach
Rockledge
Satellite (Satellite Beach)
Palm Bay (Melbourne)
Space Coast (Cocoa)
Titusville
District 32
Martin County (Stuart)
Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie)
Belleview High
Fort Pierce Westwood
Jensen Beach
Port St. Lucie
South Fork (Stuart)
John Carroll (Fort Pierce)
Region 3
District 33
Springstead (Spring Hill)
South Sumter (Bushnell)
Villages
Weeki Wachee
Wildwood
Citrus (Inverness)
Lecanto
Crystal River
District 34
Hernando (Brooksville)
Central (Brooksville)
Nature Coast (Brooksville)
Land O Lakes
Wiregrass Ranch (Wesley Chapel)
Fivay (Hudson)
Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)
Hudson
District 35
Sunlake (Land O'Lakes)
Gulf (New Port Richey)
River Ridge (New Port Richey)
Cypress Creek (Wesley Chapel)
Pasco (Dade City)
Wesley Chapel
Zephyrhills
Zephyrhills Christian
District 36
Anclote (Holiday)
East Lake (Tarpon Springs)
Palm Harbor University
Calvary Christian (Clearwater)
Indian Rocks Christian (Largo)
Mitchell (New Port Richey)
George Steinbrenner (Lutz)
Sickles (Tampa)
District 37
Clearwater
Dunedin
Countryside (Clearwater)
Largo
Osceola (Seminole)
Seminole (Seminole)
Pinellas Park (Largo)
Clearwater Central Catholic
District 38
Hollins (St. Petersburg)
Northeast (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg
Boca Ciega (Gulfport)
Gibbs (St. Petersburg)
Lakewood (St. Petersburg)
Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg Catholic
District 39
Alonso (Tampa)
Plant (Tampa)
Plant City
Strawberry Crest (Dover)
Durant (Plant City)
Newsome (Lithia)
Riverview (Riverview)
Sumner (Riverview)
District 40
Armwood (Seffner)
Freedom (Tampa)
Tampa Bay Tech
Wharton (Tampa)
Gaither (Tampa)
Hillsborough (Tampa)
Jesuit (Tampa)
Leto (Tampa)
District 41
Bloomingdale (Valrico)
East Bay (Gibsonton)
Lennard (Ruskin)
Spoto (Riverview)
Brandon
Chamberlain (Tampa)
King (Tampa)
Middleton (Tampa)
District 42
Blake (Tampa)
Jefferson (Tampa)
Robinson (Tampa)
Tampa Catholic
Berkeley Prep (Tampa)
Cambridge (Tampa)
Carrollwood (Tampa)
Seffner Christian
District 43
Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton)
Manatee (Bradenton)
Palmetto
Braden River (Bradenton)
Parrish
Southeast (Bradenton)
Hardee (Wauchula)
Bayshore (Bradenton)
District 44
Riverview (Sarasota)
Sarasota
Venice
Charlotte (Punta Gorda)
Port Charlotte
Booker (Sarasota)
DeSoto County (Arcadia)
Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota)
District 45
Immokalee
Sebring
Avon Park
Clewiston
Lake Placid
Lemon Bay (Englewood)
Moore Haven
District 46
Ida Baker (Cape Coral)
Riverdale (Fort Myers)
Cape Coral
Island Coast (Cape Coral)
Mariner (Cape Coral)
North Fort Myers
District 47
Cypress Lake (Fort Myers)
Dunbar (Fort Myers)
Fort Myers
Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)
Gateway (Fort Myers)
Evangelical Christian (Fort Myers)
District 48
Lehigh (Lehigh Acres)
East Lee County (Lehigh Acres)
South Fort Myers
Bonita Springs
Estero
Southwest Florida Christian (Fort Myers)
Region 4
District 49
Gulf Coast (Naples)
Palmetto Ridge (Naples)
Barron Collier (Naples)
Golden Gate (Naples)
Lely (Naples)
Naples
Community School (Naples)
First Baptist (Naples)
St. John Neumann (Naples)
District 50
Royal Palm Beach
Palm Beach Central (Wellington)
Wellington
Seminole Ridge (Westlake)
Glades Central (Belle Glade)
Kings Academy (West Palm Beach)
Glades Day (Belle Glade)
Pahokee
District 51
Jupiter
Palm Beach Gardens
Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach)
Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens)
Inlet Grove (Riviera Beach)
Suncoast (Riviera Beach)
Benjamin (Palm Beach Gardens)
Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach)
District 52
Forest Hill (West Palm Beach)
John I. Leonard (Greenacres)
Lake Worth
Park Vista (Lake Worth)
Atlantic (Delray Beach)
American Heritage (Delray Beach)
Boynton Beach
Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)
District 53
Boca Raton
Santaluces (Lantana)
Olympic Heights (Boca Raton)
West Boca Raton
St. Andrews (Boca Raton)
SLAM (West Palm Beach)
St. John Paul II (Boca Raton)
District 54
Coral Springs
Douglas (Parkland)
Monarch (Coconut Creek)
Coral Glades (Coral Springs)
Coconut Creek
Deerfield Beach
Coral Springs Charter
North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)
District 55
Taravella (Coral Springs)
Blanche Ely (Pompano Beach)
Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes)
Piper (Sunrise)
Calvary Christian Academy (Fort Lauderdale)
Northeast (Oakland Park)
Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale)
Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)
District 56
Dillard (Fort Lauderdale)
Fort Lauderdale
St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
Nova (Davie)
Plantation
South Plantation
Hollywood Hills
Stranahan (Fort Lauderdale)
District 57
Western (Davie)
Flanagan (Pembroke Pines)
American Heritage (Plantation)
Cypress Bay (Weston)
Cooper City
South Broward (Hollywood)
Avant Garde (Hollywood)
Pembroke Pines Charter
District 58
Somerset Academy (Pembroke Pines)
West Broward (Pembroke Pines)
McArthur (Hollywood)
Everglades (Miramar)
Miramar
Hallandale
Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood)
Somerset Academy Key (Deerfield Beach)
District 59
Dr. Krop (Miami)
American (Hialeah)
Miami Carol City
Miami Norland
Monsignor Pace (Miami)
North Miami Beach
Dade Christian (Miami)
True North (Miami)
District 60
Goleman (Miami)
Hialeah
Mater Academy (Hialeah Gardens)
North Miami
Miami Central
Miami Edison
Miami Jackson
Miami Northwestern
District 61
Doral Academy
Miami
Miami Beach
Miami Springs
Washington (Miami)
Columbus (Miami)
Belen Jesuit (Miami)
District 62
Coral Gables
South Miami
Immaculata-LaSalle (Miami)
St. Brendan (Miami)
Westland Hialeah
Florida Christian (Miami)
District 63
South Dade (Homestead)
Miami Palmetto
Miami Killian
Westminster Christian (Miami)
Southwest Miami
Gulliver Prep (Pinecrest)
Archbishop Carroll (Miami)
District 64
Homestead
Miami Southridge
Somerset Charter (Silver Palms)
Palm Glades Prep (Miami)
Palmer Trinity (Miami)
Somerset Academy Charter South Homestead
Key West
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Nulli Secundus got a reaction from anonimis in One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion
Apologies in advance for the long post. Since this is the season for unrealistic FHSAA expectations that will never come to frutition @nolebull813 @gatorman-uf (and everyone else that thinks outside the box, lol) here's my shot.
A redesigned playoff format for the 24-25 season would be installed where the overall goal would be to truly make every game count to determine playoff teams. For example, all schools would play 7-8 (some 6, some 9) district opponents to decide the overall district champs and a berth to participate in the Champion of Champions tournament. Fear not. For those that believe that not enough team makes the playoffs, the runner-ups can also play in a different playoff bracket so that each district receives two representatives for the playoffs.
FHSAA Champion of Champions Tournament - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Champions bracket would consist of only the district champions representing the 64 districts.
FHSAA Runner Up Games (R.U.G.) - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Runner-up bracket would consist of district runner-ups representing the 64 districts. This bracket would allow teams that almost won their respective districts a chance to continue post season play for a chance at 3rd/4th place in the state.
Based on the numbers, the FHSAA could allow the top 5-7 teams from each district to enter the playoffs in different brackets based on their district rankings.
District Champs - Top playoff bracket, district winners only Runner up - playoff bracket for 2nd place (runner-up) teams 3rd - playoff bracket for 3rd place teams
---------------------------------------------------------- 4th - playoff bracket for 4th place teams........O_K 5th - playoff bracket for 5th place teams........V_ I 6th - playoff bracket for 6th place teams........E_ L 7th - playoff bracket for 7th place teams........R_ L However, beyond a certain level (top 3) I believe it's overkill and turns into a participation contest at that point.
Region 1
District 1
Tate (Cantonment)
Escambia (Pensacola)
Pine Forest (Pensacola)
Washington (Pensacola)
Pensacola
Pensacola Catholic
West Florida (Pensacola)
Northview (Century)
District 2
Gulf Breeze
Milton
Navarre
Pace
Niceville
Choctawhatchee (Fort Walton Beach)
Fort Walton Beach
Jay
District 3
Crestview
Walton (DeFuniak Springs)
South Walton (Santa Rosa Beach)
Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville)
Baker
Freeport
Holmes County (Bonifay)
Vernon
District 4
Cottondale
Sneads
Marianna
Graceville
Chipley
Gadsden County (Havana)
Munroe (Quincy)
Blountstown
District 5
Mosley (Lynn Haven)
Arnold (Panama City Beach)
Bay (Panama City)
North Bay Haven (Panama City)
Rutherford (Panama City)
Bozeman (Panama City)
Port St. Joe
Wewahitchka
District 6
Wakulla (Crawfordville)
Franklin County (Eastpoint)
Liberty County (Bristol)
Rickards (Tallahassee)
Florida High (Tallahassee)
Maclay (Tallahassee)
FAMU (Tallahassee)
St. John Paul II (Tallahassee)
District 7
Chiles (Tallahassee)
Godby (Tallahassee)
North Florida Christian (Tallahassee)
Leon (Tallahassee)
Lincoln (Tallahassee)
Taylor County (Perry)
Aucilla Christian (Monticello)
Jefferson County (Monticello)
District 8
Hamilton County (Jasper)
Suwannee (Live Oak)
Madison County (Madison)
Bell
Branford
Lafayette (Mayo)
Dixie County (Cross City)
Trenton
District 9
Columbia (Lake City)
Fort White
Union County (Lake Butler)
Gainesville
Bradford (Starke)
Santa Fe (Alachua)
Hawthorne
Newberry
District 10
Buchholz (Gainesville)
Eastside (Gainesville)
P. K. Yonge (Gainesville)
Dunnellon
Trinity Catholic (Ocala)
Bronson
Chiefland
Williston
District 11
Forest (Ocala)
West Port (Ocala)
Vanguard (Ocala)
Palatka
North Marion (Citra)
Crescent City
Lake Weir (Ocala)
District 12
Fleming Island
Oakleaf (Orange Park)
Middleburg
Orange Park
Ridgeview (Orange Park)
Clay (Green Cove Springs)
Baker County (Glen St. Mary)
Keystone Heights
District 13
North Florida Educational (Jacksonville)
University Christian (Jacksonville)
Baldwin
Fernandina Beach
West Nassau (Callahan)
Yulee
Hilliard
District 14
Wolfson (Jacksonville)
Ed White (Jacksonville)
Riverside (Jacksonville)
Westside (Jacksonville)
Christs Church Academy (Jacksonville)
Providence (Jacksonville)
Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)
District 15
Terry Parker (Jacksonville)
Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville)
Raines (Jacksonville)
Ribault (Jacksonville)
Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)
Bolles (Jacksonville)
Episcopal (Jacksonville)
District 16
Atlantic Coast (Jacksonville)
Mandarin (Jacksonville)
Sandalwood (Jacksonville)
Englewood (Jacksonville)
First Coast (Jacksonville)
Fletcher (Neptune Beach)
Region 2
District 17
Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
Creekside (St. Johns)
Nease (Ponte Vedra)
Ponte Vedra
Menendez (St. Augustine)
St. Augustine
Tocoi Creek (St. Augustine)
St. Joseph (St. Augustine)
District 18
Flagler Palm Coast
DeLand
New Smyrna Beach
Spruce Creek (Port Orange)
University (Orange City)
Matanzas (Palm Coast)
Atlantic (Port Orange)
Taylor (Pierson)
District 19
Lake Mary
Seminole (Sanford)
Deltona
Mainland (Daytona Beach)
Pine Ridge (Deltona)
Seabreeze (Daytona Beach)
Father Lopez (Daytona Beach)
Halifax Academy (Daytona Beach)
District 20
East Ridge (Clermont)
Lake Minneola
South Lake (Groveland)
Leesburg
Tavares
Eustis
Mount Dora
Umatilla
District 21
Apopka
Evans (Orlando)
Lake Brantley
Hagerty (Oviedo)
Lyman (Longwood)
Oviedo
Winter Springs
Wekiva (Apopka)
District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)
District 23
Colonial (Orlando)
Timber Creek (Orlando)
University (Orlando)
Winter Park
Boone (Orlando)
Cypress Creek (Orlando)
Freedom (Orlando)
District 24
Lake Nona (Orlando)
Oak Ridge (Orlando)
Dr. Phillips (Orlando)
Olympia (Orlando)
Windermere
East River (Orlando)
Lake Howell (Winter Park)
District 25
Edgewater (Orlando)
Bishop Moore (Orlando)
Lake Buena Vista (Orlando)
First Academy (Orlando)
Orlando Christian Prep
District 26
George Jenkins (Lakeland)
Kathleen (Lakeland)
Bartow
Fort Meade
Mulberry
Tenoroc (Lakeland)
Lakeland Christian
Victory Christian (Lakeland)
District 27
Lake Gibson (Lakeland)
Lakeland
Haines City
Winter Haven
Auburndale
Lake Region (Eagle Lake)
Discovery (Lake Alfred)
District 28
Ridge Community (Davenport)
Celebration
Tohopekaliga (Kissimmee)
Davenport
Gateway (Kissimmee)
Lake Wales
Frostproof
District 29
Osceola (Kissimmee)
St. Cloud
Harmony
Liberty (Kissimmee)
Astronaut (Titusville)
Holy Trinity (Melbourne)
Melbourne Central Catholic
District 30
Heritage (Palm Bay)
Melbourne
Viera (Melbourne)
Bayside (Palm Bay)
Eau Gallie (Melbourne)
Merritt Island
Okeechobee
Cocoa
District 31
Centennial (Port St. Lucie)
Fort Pierce Central
Vero Beach
Rockledge
Satellite (Satellite Beach)
Palm Bay (Melbourne)
Space Coast (Cocoa)
Titusville
District 32
Martin County (Stuart)
Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie)
Belleview High
Fort Pierce Westwood
Jensen Beach
Port St. Lucie
South Fork (Stuart)
John Carroll (Fort Pierce)
Region 3
District 33
Springstead (Spring Hill)
South Sumter (Bushnell)
Villages
Weeki Wachee
Wildwood
Citrus (Inverness)
Lecanto
Crystal River
District 34
Hernando (Brooksville)
Central (Brooksville)
Nature Coast (Brooksville)
Land O Lakes
Wiregrass Ranch (Wesley Chapel)
Fivay (Hudson)
Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)
Hudson
District 35
Sunlake (Land O'Lakes)
Gulf (New Port Richey)
River Ridge (New Port Richey)
Cypress Creek (Wesley Chapel)
Pasco (Dade City)
Wesley Chapel
Zephyrhills
Zephyrhills Christian
District 36
Anclote (Holiday)
East Lake (Tarpon Springs)
Palm Harbor University
Calvary Christian (Clearwater)
Indian Rocks Christian (Largo)
Mitchell (New Port Richey)
George Steinbrenner (Lutz)
Sickles (Tampa)
District 37
Clearwater
Dunedin
Countryside (Clearwater)
Largo
Osceola (Seminole)
Seminole (Seminole)
Pinellas Park (Largo)
Clearwater Central Catholic
District 38
Hollins (St. Petersburg)
Northeast (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg
Boca Ciega (Gulfport)
Gibbs (St. Petersburg)
Lakewood (St. Petersburg)
Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg Catholic
District 39
Alonso (Tampa)
Plant (Tampa)
Plant City
Strawberry Crest (Dover)
Durant (Plant City)
Newsome (Lithia)
Riverview (Riverview)
Sumner (Riverview)
District 40
Armwood (Seffner)
Freedom (Tampa)
Tampa Bay Tech
Wharton (Tampa)
Gaither (Tampa)
Hillsborough (Tampa)
Jesuit (Tampa)
Leto (Tampa)
District 41
Bloomingdale (Valrico)
East Bay (Gibsonton)
Lennard (Ruskin)
Spoto (Riverview)
Brandon
Chamberlain (Tampa)
King (Tampa)
Middleton (Tampa)
District 42
Blake (Tampa)
Jefferson (Tampa)
Robinson (Tampa)
Tampa Catholic
Berkeley Prep (Tampa)
Cambridge (Tampa)
Carrollwood (Tampa)
Seffner Christian
District 43
Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton)
Manatee (Bradenton)
Palmetto
Braden River (Bradenton)
Parrish
Southeast (Bradenton)
Hardee (Wauchula)
Bayshore (Bradenton)
District 44
Riverview (Sarasota)
Sarasota
Venice
Charlotte (Punta Gorda)
Port Charlotte
Booker (Sarasota)
DeSoto County (Arcadia)
Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota)
District 45
Immokalee
Sebring
Avon Park
Clewiston
Lake Placid
Lemon Bay (Englewood)
Moore Haven
District 46
Ida Baker (Cape Coral)
Riverdale (Fort Myers)
Cape Coral
Island Coast (Cape Coral)
Mariner (Cape Coral)
North Fort Myers
District 47
Cypress Lake (Fort Myers)
Dunbar (Fort Myers)
Fort Myers
Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)
Gateway (Fort Myers)
Evangelical Christian (Fort Myers)
District 48
Lehigh (Lehigh Acres)
East Lee County (Lehigh Acres)
South Fort Myers
Bonita Springs
Estero
Southwest Florida Christian (Fort Myers)
Region 4
District 49
Gulf Coast (Naples)
Palmetto Ridge (Naples)
Barron Collier (Naples)
Golden Gate (Naples)
Lely (Naples)
Naples
Community School (Naples)
First Baptist (Naples)
St. John Neumann (Naples)
District 50
Royal Palm Beach
Palm Beach Central (Wellington)
Wellington
Seminole Ridge (Westlake)
Glades Central (Belle Glade)
Kings Academy (West Palm Beach)
Glades Day (Belle Glade)
Pahokee
District 51
Jupiter
Palm Beach Gardens
Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach)
Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens)
Inlet Grove (Riviera Beach)
Suncoast (Riviera Beach)
Benjamin (Palm Beach Gardens)
Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach)
District 52
Forest Hill (West Palm Beach)
John I. Leonard (Greenacres)
Lake Worth
Park Vista (Lake Worth)
Atlantic (Delray Beach)
American Heritage (Delray Beach)
Boynton Beach
Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)
District 53
Boca Raton
Santaluces (Lantana)
Olympic Heights (Boca Raton)
West Boca Raton
St. Andrews (Boca Raton)
SLAM (West Palm Beach)
St. John Paul II (Boca Raton)
District 54
Coral Springs
Douglas (Parkland)
Monarch (Coconut Creek)
Coral Glades (Coral Springs)
Coconut Creek
Deerfield Beach
Coral Springs Charter
North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)
District 55
Taravella (Coral Springs)
Blanche Ely (Pompano Beach)
Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes)
Piper (Sunrise)
Calvary Christian Academy (Fort Lauderdale)
Northeast (Oakland Park)
Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale)
Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)
District 56
Dillard (Fort Lauderdale)
Fort Lauderdale
St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
Nova (Davie)
Plantation
South Plantation
Hollywood Hills
Stranahan (Fort Lauderdale)
District 57
Western (Davie)
Flanagan (Pembroke Pines)
American Heritage (Plantation)
Cypress Bay (Weston)
Cooper City
South Broward (Hollywood)
Avant Garde (Hollywood)
Pembroke Pines Charter
District 58
Somerset Academy (Pembroke Pines)
West Broward (Pembroke Pines)
McArthur (Hollywood)
Everglades (Miramar)
Miramar
Hallandale
Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood)
Somerset Academy Key (Deerfield Beach)
District 59
Dr. Krop (Miami)
American (Hialeah)
Miami Carol City
Miami Norland
Monsignor Pace (Miami)
North Miami Beach
Dade Christian (Miami)
True North (Miami)
District 60
Goleman (Miami)
Hialeah
Mater Academy (Hialeah Gardens)
North Miami
Miami Central
Miami Edison
Miami Jackson
Miami Northwestern
District 61
Doral Academy
Miami
Miami Beach
Miami Springs
Washington (Miami)
Columbus (Miami)
Belen Jesuit (Miami)
District 62
Coral Gables
South Miami
Immaculata-LaSalle (Miami)
St. Brendan (Miami)
Westland Hialeah
Florida Christian (Miami)
District 63
South Dade (Homestead)
Miami Palmetto
Miami Killian
Westminster Christian (Miami)
Southwest Miami
Gulliver Prep (Pinecrest)
Archbishop Carroll (Miami)
District 64
Homestead
Miami Southridge
Somerset Charter (Silver Palms)
Palm Glades Prep (Miami)
Palmer Trinity (Miami)
Somerset Academy Charter South Homestead
Key West
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Nulli Secundus reacted to VeniceIndianFan in Bill Castle Retires
Bill Castle and Bruce Rollinson retire in the same year? Wow. The 2 best coaches high school football has ever seen are leaving for greener pastures. Enjoy your retirement, Coach Castle!
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Nulli Secundus reacted to gatorman-uf in Promotion and Relegation
So I will continue to beat the drum for promotion and relegation, simply as a way to increase participation in the sport. Nobody (good teams or bad) want to play teams that they are overmatched with. My belief is that a promotion and relegation system allows recently good teams to play other recently good teams in the regular season and recently bad teams to play recently bad teams. Thus encouraging competitive games, rather than blowouts.
No, it doesn't solve the transfer issue, but unless the state legislature changes, that issue isn't going to stop. Additionally, I think the expectation of being able to transfer for any reason has made it's way to the college level (transfer portal), so high schools on some level are just mirroring that (for better or worse). Sadly, I don't think we are ever going back to the days of transfers sitting out for a year.
Do I think it will make the transfer issue worse? It might, but as a coach, I would be more frustrated losing a player to a school in my classification than losing that player to a "better" school where I will most likely never play that player again. I just think the sting will hurt less (not that it won't exist).
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So my basic premise:
1A stays as is, mostly because it has proven highly success for those schools.
If you have not had a football program since 2018, you start at the lowest level (no matter the size of your school).
This leaves 449 schools to play in my 6 classifications. Classification 2A and 3A will NOT play to a state championship, but only to a Northern/Southern championship, so that nobody accuses them of winning a state championship equal to that of the top classifications.
7A - 32 Schools (All teams make playoffs, required to play 7 other 7A schools)
6A - 32 Schools (All teams make playoffs, required to play 7 other 6A schools)
5A - 64 Schools (8 districts, 8 teams per district, top 4 district records make playoffs (similar to Georgia)
4A - 64 Schools (8 districts, 8 teams per district, top 4 district records make playoffs (similar to Georgia)
3A - 128 Schools (16 districts, 8 teams per district, top 2 district records make playoffs (similar to old system)
2A - 129 Schools (16 districts, 8 teams per district, top 2 district records make playoffs (similar to old system)
1A - Same as Previous
Classifications are based on the average 2018, 2019, 2021, and 2022 MaxPreps ratings (I did not use 2020 due to pandemic weirdness)
7A
American Heritage (Plantation) Apopka Armwood (Seffner) Bartram Trail (St. Johns) Bolles (Jacksonville) Booker T. Washington (Miami) Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale) Central (Miami) Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Clearwater Central Catholic (Clearwater) Cocoa Columbus (Miami) Dillard (Fort Lauderdale) Edgewater (Orlando) Florida State University High School (Tallahassee) Jesuit (Tampa) Jones (Orlando) Lakeland Naples Northwestern (Miami) Osceola (Kissimmee) Palmetto (Miami) Riverview Sarasota (Sarasota) Rockledge Seminole (Sanford) St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) Tampa Bay Tech (Tampa) Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie) Trinity Christian Academy (Jacksonville) Venice Vero Beach West Orange (Winter Garden) 6A
Atlantic (Delray Beach) Berkeley Prep (Tampa) Buchholz (Gainesville) Carol City (Miami) Columbia (Lake City) Crestview Deerfield Beach Dr. Phillips (Orlando) Escambia (Pensacola) Flagler Palm Coast (Palm Coast) Gulliver Prep (Miami) Lake Gibson (Lakeland) Lake Mary Lake Wales Lakewood (St. Petersburg) Lincoln (Tallahassee) Mainland (Daytona Beach) Mandarin (Jacksonville) Miramar Niceville Norland (Miami) Palm Beach Central (Wellington) Palmetto Pine Forest (Pensacola) Plantation Raines (Jacksonville) Riverside (Jacksonville) Vanguard (Ocala) Wakulla (Crawfordville) Wekiva (Apopka) Western (Davie) Winter Park -
Nulli Secundus got a reaction from DarterBlue2 in Bill Castle Retires
Big shoes to be filled. Let's see what happens to the balance of power in Polk County now. By the way, I was about to be born in '76 .
Thank you for the memories Coach Castle!
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Nulli Secundus got a reaction from 181pl in Bill Castle Retires
Big shoes to be filled. Let's see what happens to the balance of power in Polk County now. By the way, I was about to be born in '76 .
Thank you for the memories Coach Castle!
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Nulli Secundus reacted to 181pl in Bill Castle Retires
@ Lakeland since 76 as the head man. I was 7. Now I’m 54.
8 state titles and 2 Nattys.
Legend.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to DarterBlue2 in Bill Castle Retires
He exits at the top of the game with a state title.
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Nulli Secundus got a reaction from Ray Icaza in Bill Castle Retires
Big shoes to be filled. Let's see what happens to the balance of power in Polk County now. By the way, I was about to be born in '76 .
Thank you for the memories Coach Castle!
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Nulli Secundus reacted to nolebull813 in The new playoff format was a disaster
I think the issue is you shouldn’t be playing varsity football if you are losing by 70-100 points. Obviously it’s not for you. JV or 6/7/8 man football seems more appropriate.
Ask yourself what can you do in society that you fail that spectacularly, and continue to go at it? That’s like getting all F’s on a report card.
i actually find it a huge waste of time when you have these teams playing 11 man varsity football that look so incompetent it actually looks disrespectful to the game. It makes the game worse. You should have to be able to at least do your job at the most basic level to remain employed.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to nolebull813 in The new playoff format was a disaster
Here’s my story. My kids go to a small K-8 school. All the sports are 5th-8th coed. I coach the track and flag football teams.
So this year we went to a 7on7 flag tournament in Orlando and we’re much better than everyone. The first game we won 47-0. We were about to play a team that was so bad I actually left my 2 best players out because they were so outmanned and we still won 38-0.
These are all Christian schools and one of the refs was a pastor in Sarasota and asked my players to go easy on the team we were about the play and they looked at him sideways and said “No! We came to win!!”
We won the tournament pretty easily and after that pastor and my AD came up to me and told me we were running the score up and not playing with Christian principles. I told them how can I hold practice, teach the kids to play the right way, give 110 percent effort, correct the mistakes and get better, then come game time go pretend you are handicap because your opponent doesn’t know how to compete?
They said when you embarrass these kids they are not having any fun I said you have fun by winning! And I said when you beat these teams it actually helps them go 2 ways. Give up football because it’s obviously not for you, OR use it as motivation to get better and try your hardest to improve at the game you love.
Bottom line is I can’t handicap myself because you are incompetent
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Nulli Secundus reacted to PinellasFB in The new playoff format was a disaster
Wow that was a lot to read lol. It's okay that we differ in opinions since a forum would be rather boring if we all had the same take. Anyway, I'm okay with no mercy rule in the playoffs. If you qualified for the playoffs then you should be able to defend yourself. My point of view on this is a running clock reduces ridiculous scores like 90-0 from happening except a couple times per year. Without a running clock, we may see many more of these unnecessary scores. Oh well this dead horse has been beaten enough so I'm done.
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Nulli Secundus reacted to Dr. D in 1A Rural needs to be disbanded
This topic didn't receive much attention, but after thinking about it, this is a no-brainer. If a combined Top 10 of 1S and 1R was compiled using the end-of-season Power Rankings, it would look like this:
1) Hawthorne (1R)
2) Pahokee (1R)
3) North Florida Christian (1S)
4) First Baptist Academy (1S)
5) Evangelical Christian (1S)
6) Northview (1R)
7) Union County (1R)
8) Chiefland (1R)
9) Chipley (1R)
10) Trinity Catholic (1S)
The average Power Ranking of the 25 teams in 1S is 0.427. The average Power Ranking of the 36 teams in 1R is 0.387. Simply put, the relative top-to-bottom strength of 1S and 1R is very similar. Finally, it has been stated that the FHSAA cannot sanction separate public-private classifications, but 1S and 1M are essentially private classifications, and 1R is a public classification. Combine 1S and 1R and you have a 61-team division. One less classification (down to 8!). This is an idea whose time has come. Excellent call, nolebull.
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Nulli Secundus got a reaction from Ray Icaza in The new playoff format was a disaster
Although @nolebull813 brought up the margins of defeat but in my opinion, he's not wrong.
I'm gonna take you on a journey back to 1989, Crystal Lake Junior High in Lakeland. Our football team sucked. Notoriously SUCKED!! It was so bad, in elementary school before going to junior high, when people found out where I was going the made fun of me because of the reputation of the football team and I hadn't set foot on the campus. I digress. The schools were divided into east/west depending on where they were geographically, then at the end of season the top school from both east/west would meet for a county championship.
West
Seth McKeel (Lakeland)
Southwest (Lakeland)
Lake Gibson (Lakeland)
Kathleen (Lakeland)
Crystal Lake (Lakeland)
Lakeland Highlands
Mulberry
East
Stambaugh (Auburndale)
Lake Wales
Boone (Haines City)
Denison (Winter Haven)
Jewett (Winter Haven)
Westwood (Winter Haven)
Bartow
Back to the story, lol. Of all the extra curricular activities I participated in at Crystal Lake (CLJH), football was very unpopular and often times ridiculed. My first two years in junior high (7-8), I played basketball and was also in marching band. To me, I could still hold my head high doing those so-to-speak but admittedly it was tough being in band at the football games watching our team, essentially our school get slaughtered. Anyway, in my 8th grade geography class during football season, there were a few players in the class wearing their jerseys for the pep rally and subsequent game (Thursday). I don't remember exactly how everything started but the class started ripping on the players saying things, "like you're going to, don't even bother to show up". You know how harsh kids can be. Yes, I'm guilty of participating. As a matter of fact, I got the last dig in before my teacher and the football coach (Coach Chip Salerno - former LG AD) probably gave me one of the most important lessons that good educators are remembered for. He said:
All these guys in uniform put in the work and are on the team. What's your excuse? I don't remember seeing you at tryouts. All these guys that put on these uniforms know what they're up against. They're still here, fighting. They may lose on the field but they will know how to persevere and win in life. Now, I've heard those words in different forms prior to that situation but I don't know what made that particular situation resonate and stick with me. Maybe it was because he had me stand up before the class while he lit into me so I could truly understand how it felt. The next year (freshmen year) I got off my ass and told my dad I was trying out for football. He being a teacher and coach himself (P.E. at Bartow Jr, Basketball/Football at Bartow Sr) was excited and wasted no time giving me at home drills and practice (which I absolutely hated, lol) ahead of football tryouts. Although I had been playing basketball for years through the city league, AAU and my first 2 years in junior high, this was my first time trying to play football outside of neighborhood pickup games. He brought home pads and had me practice hitting a pad-lined pine tree in our backyard. I felt stupid and my little sister (around 7 yrs old) said Bubby (what she used to call me), you look stupid hitting that tree . That pissed me off even more. I say to my dad, why am I hitting this tree because it won't move. He said, it's not about you hitting the tree, it's about you being able to handle what it feels like when that tree doesn't give and toughen you up.
Ultimately, I tried out and I made the team. Our team still sucked and yes we got laughed at but I wouldn't trade that season for anything. I'll always remember the sack I got that forced a fumble recovery for a TD. Looking back, I wish I had tried out 7th & 8th grade. I took that short trip down memory lane to say this:
No, I don't have any feelings for the kids getting curb stomped (as you phrased it) because those kids chose to put on that uniform. That's not heartless, that life. I don't know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an ass kicking from players "plundered" from my own team but I've certainly experienced many beat downs. Again, you put in the work, you put on the uniform and based on your post, I will assume you didn't quit. What did you learn from your experiences? I learned that no matter what, do your best and don't give up. You may not win all the time but you damn sure won't lose all the time. Even if you do lose most or all of the time, you certainly learn how to keep moving forward despite the obstacles placed before you, whether just or unjust. Yes, these are still kids. These kids are also a stone's throw from being an adult and thrown into a world that will bend the rules, break the rules, cheat, lie, steal, kill, and destroy without batting and eye and if these kids are not mentally prepared for that NOW, chances are they're more screwed than they would be otherwise without those hard-knock lessons. With that being said, I truly believe that a running clock does a disservice to the game in general. If it were up to me (thank goodness it's not), I would get rid of it. Hell, I'd be willing to even compromise to use running clock during the regular season. However, for the playoffs, no way, no how. If you're in the playoffs you're there for a reason. NO MERCY.
We all have feelings and perspectives on this subject. This is simply my take on it. Thank you for your perspective.