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16 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
I dont know what is the point of stacking a HS team with cherry picked players from other teams? I mean of course you will beat everybody who uses only players from their zone (that they can hang on to). To me, the joy of high school ball is your school rises and falls depending upon the group of kids you have moving through your program any given four year period. Once in a while you will get a very special group that puts in a run for your team that will be remembered and talked about for years. That shit doesnt happen anymore now that teams just get transfers in. The rich stay rich and poor stay poor. How can you feel good about each year when its done with transfers instead of kids moving through your program? I hate it but I know I'm preaching to the choir here but of course there are those on this board that want to win 100-0 with these transfers over your decimated team. That part I will never understand.
even a h8r can agree with this.....
nil and transfer portal killing college football programs, which in turn are kicking high school recruiting in the teeth and high school transfers are following suit.
dam shame
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while the 11 kids on the field matter most, so does the school population,
when there are 11 more kids on the sideline that are of similar ability and 11 more that are close to that ability and 11 more and 11 more, now you have 50+ varsity kids that are of similar ability.
if the school population of A isnt nearly as high B, then you have much less to choose from.
4000 kids, half boys (2000), half are athletes (1000) and 10% play football, 100. 2 teams (JV, V),
50 kids in each.
2000 kids, half boys (1000), half are athletes (500) and 10% play football, 50. 2 teams (JV,V),
25 kids in each.
school population DOES matter.
Well recruit your halls better is going to be someones answer.....
Football is hard, the commitment is even harder, its hot, its 10,11 month commitment, its all summer, its playing a 2nd sport to get better, etc.
Every kid isnt a football player, go to any high school gym and watch a basketball game. or boys volleyball game. almost all of those kids could help school B out, 1000%. but, If I can run up and down the court in AC, not lift nearly as much weight(messes up my jumper-says every high school BBall kid) and just take 22ft shots for a couple hours, why would he go out and do bag drills and cone drills and catch passes and put on equipment and hurt and sweat, etc.
putting small schools with bigger schools is a complete disadvantage to many of them.
take this district, ocoee, west orange and jones absolutely demolish everyone here.....
District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)orangewood christian and trinity prep have zero business in this district. foundation would put up a fight in some years, but they to have no business here. horizon is still in infant stages of its opening.
west orange has 3000 kids, ocoee too. jones is close to 2k, with a plethora of talent in their area.
im not saying fair or not fair, thats ignorance. but whats the point of ocoee playing trinity prep? running clock in 1st qtr?
I dont see the point of having the 7th place teams in a district playing extra weeks of football just for participation reasons.....thats exactly why the classes were introduced......
to play against similar size opponents, so 1 school doesnt have 100 on the sideline and the other has 25....
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On 1/6/2023 at 11:57 AM, Beek said:
Honestly, it is a vote amongst the head coaches in the county only! In my opinion it can be a popularity contest at times. I was there, I voted, I saw who voted for who. I saw who didnt give almost a single vote for a particular school, no matter who the athlete or accomplishments were. I wont go into particulars, but it is way more than stats. (Honest stats) Not bashing anyone, not calling anyone out. Not saying anything bad about anyone. I voted honestly using statistics as a basis, did figure in strength of schedule and players true ability. Just because a team doesnt have a good record, doesnt mean that the player is not of a certain caliber. Have to take a lot of factors into account.
I am not saying that the players who received the awards were not deserving, or even better than our players. It was the lack of respect in the actual voting, which you would never see.
hmmm......interesting
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On 1/6/2023 at 7:30 AM, Beek said:
Appreciate that! At the county level we still did not get any real recognition. Our players were passed over for the all county team. We did have a silver lining though. We played a senior game osceola vs lake county. we lost the game by special teams. But our QB threw 3 TD passes and our receivers caught 3 td passes, not all the same. We were involved in every score. I know we impressed the other county coaches then!
Now we just have to back that up next season, To prove we werent a one hit wonder. We added Toho and Celebration and Foundation academy to our schedule, dropping Parrish community, LaBelle and Ambassadors Christian. No disrespect to them, scheduling just didnt work out!
qb transfer from another state
2 wrs transfers from osceola
those 3 kids are not real poinciana kids that yall developed.
need to be honest about it and not sugar coat it......
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On 12/28/2022 at 12:05 PM, anonimis said:
Stop scheduling games with 70+ point spreads.
Florida needs better matchmaking.
thats just a silly statement. 80%+ of high schools schedule is done by head coaches and ADs, some counties like orange force their schools to schedule metro teams 1st, seminole county does it to(i believe). so your handcuffed as a match maker. yearly doormat team A that has won 75 games in 25 years has to play yearly state powerhouse team B that has won 75 games in 7 years......cant blame coach or AD for that, for sure cant blame florida for that.....
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indiana basketball used to be 1 class, idk anymore.
wrestling i think still is 1 class-32 man tourney win friday night you advance to saturday 16 man bracket. lose and go home. caused for some serious matches on friday just to survive and advance.
texas has no running clock. why stats and scores from texas are outrageous. some real good teams, but the avg to below are just plain awful.
1 state champ wont ever work, not enough money not enough weeks in season to have a big enough bracket to do it. if you took top 16, your leaving out some teams that would well be deserving to get a chance to play.
im sure someone here could post the top 16 teams in the state and not everyone one of the smart guys here would agree on top 16. and with that, who chooses whos top 16? coaches poll? admin? fhsaa? maxpreps? regardless, someone would hate that 2 and it would be a mistake and a joke and stupid and blah blah.
cant make everyone happy, shouldnt even try too. everyone gets a trophy, everyone needs a hug, everyone needs reassurance that your 2-8 team is deserving to play in the tournament, because you only lost to "insert powerhouse here" 56-6 and they beat everyone much worse......
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if only all the games were played in 1 central location so people could spend a weekend watching all the excitement.
having to drive to tally from naples or from penscola to ft lauderdale, is a complete travesty to the fans.....while daytona and that small stadium and no parking was a joke, why wouldnt the fhsaa try like heck to get ucf stadium....its in central part of state, 3 hrs or so from each end. the citrus bowl was too big and Im sure they asked for a gazillion dollars to host and parking downton orlando isnt very much fun, 10k people in that staidum made it look empty, but 10k at the bounce house and its jumping pretty dang good.
oh well.
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On 12/6/2022 at 12:36 PM, Ray Icaza said:
Robin, Our Lone State Championship was in 1998 under Coach Scible and it featured Willie Green out of the I-formation. With an athletic, big QB (Bobby Sippio) available to run and throw that was hard to defend. I love Coach Nick but his brilliant Single-Wing has zero championships in 4 attempts. But I guess you must be right to continue doing the things you have always done and expect a different outcome. Think they have a name for that but at my advanced age I forget. Just Saying.
Well Batman,
I shall call em like I see em......
Coach Nichols, did, not, run, the, single wing......
And yes zero championships,
but bewteen him and Coach Rolson, getting there more than 4x, sure is not insanity.....
You have to be in the big game in order to be able to win the big game. With all those major d1 kids running around at markus paul field, you sure would think that running that saturday afternoon offense would produce at the very least, a shot to win it in the big game. 2x2, 3x1, teams see it weekly, if not daily. easy to figure out how to defend it. ask anyone with a backside in the stands, they will tell you.
those same people cant even find the ball in a good flexbone and swear to the holy man that trap and power are the same play and why not "open it up" to win via the pass.....dare that wing t team run counter criss cross and it goes untouched as 10 guys flow to the buck sweep, and that same "open it up guy" calls it a gimmick play and would never work vs a real team or better coached team....
Flexbone is not single wing, nor is single wing the wing t as is double tight double wing, is none of those either.
some similar principles, sure, maybe, kinda, but definetly not the same.
the amount of teams that win state titles in the country running wing t, flexbone, single wing, is overwhelmingly larger than those trying to fit a square hole into a round peg and run the spread(is that an offense or a formation?).....
heaven forbid we look at corky rogers and his incredible amount of wins and what did he run at jax bolles......the delaware wing t.....he did kinda good.....won a couple titles with it.
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while I agree with the opening it up more,
but riddle me this batman, the games lost, wasnt it due to interceptions/turnovers by the offense? maybe Im wrong,
but
that ancient offense that coach Nichols ran, sure did alot of damage vs almost everyone.
nobody runs that 1970s offesne anymore and similar to single wing, which apk, coach rolson, is a testament to this, as is Coach Darlington at 1st year deland, who almost beat ohs,
you cant prepare for it in 3 days.....timing, execution angle blocks, etc.
what beats that boring offense that CAN open up when needed-see Ty Ensor comment- is jimmies and joes. not xs and os. doesnt matter what offense or defense you run, if my dudes are better, then you get your face kicked in or win by 1,
i say that if the cowboys with the K ran the flexbone last year vs west orange, they would have won.
i can also see the state champ wrestler being a triple option qb that would thrive in that offense, him and swint on the edge in a triple look, good friggin luck stopping that. throw in the dudes at db/wr that yall got and you cant line up 8 in the box to stop it.....
open it up and start looking just like everyone else. which isnt easy to prep for, but is easier if you see it every week.
just sayin
h8r
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On 11/22/2022 at 3:35 PM, nolebull813 said:
The issue is, and always will be the amount of classes you have. I don’t have a problem with metro and suburban as long as it’s not water down. But it is. Realistically there should only be five classes in the state. There is only about 500 teams playing varsity football not including any independent or SSAC teams.
100 teams per class can go back to 16 districts per class with an average of 6 to 8 teams per district. What’s wrong with that?
i dont think anythings "wrong" with it.
but
travel is a bit of a problem....
and someone on pg 2 said there isnt a difference between 2500 and 4000 kids, and those 4 or 5 schools that nobodys ever heard of
thats not the issue,
but go to a 2500 kid school and pick out the boys, (on avg half are boys) 1250 to choose from.
if its a true 10 % of boys that play football, thats 125, compared to 200.......
but its never that many.
say its 5% play football, thats 60ish for the 2500 school and 100ish for the 4000 school.
now is there 60 dogs who can whoop on 100, absoltfreakinglootley. happens yearly.
but,
if im a coach, and i have 100 kids to choose from and run 9th, jv and varsity programs, and can develop those 100 kids in the weight room, the track, during the summer every year for 4 years, bet you that my 100or so kids will get gooder than your 60 or so, who probabaly play varsity and 20 or so play jv and 6qtr just to fill out the squad.
my 100 kids
i can rotate kids in at practice, i can utilize every single athlete possible at special teams, i can send a dude deep on play 1, rotate a kid in and do it on play 2, 3,4,5 and you have 1 corner, I have 5 kids that will run your db legs off 5 straight plays, whos got the advantage???
dont think its that big a deal,
I watched miami play north carolina 1 year and miami was avg at best, but had some track stars play football(go figure right). play 1, 4 verts, play 2, 3 verts and out, swing by rb, play 3, 4 verts, touchdown. they changed personel, 3 times, NC had 1 backend guy come off on play 3, as he ran 60 yds 2 plays in arow.....and they gave up a tuddy.....why, because my jimmies and joes are better than yours. and my back ups are 2. my back up back ups are so much better than your 2s or 3s its crazy. more people to choose from vs lesser, you will find 1 dude out of the pack that is pretty dang good.
lesser classes sure, 6 is plenty. travel is an issue if you do it right, its not. champs and runners up make it. winning record is a prerequeiste(sic) to making playoffs. no 5-5, your not in.
still dont like seeing small school in east seminole county have to go to small school on west lake county. 7pm game and leave at noon to get there in time(im kidding, but not by much).
thats why there were 8 classes before the divide by the idiots in power. and the all mighty dollar.
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19 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
The system won't really address it. Just for those labelled suburban. But what about Tampa Bay, Orlando and Jacksonville or Palm Beach County for that matter. They will still be in essentially the same position they were in.
Apopka is not a school that aggressively recruits. But it gets little help from the redone system. Yes, currently Columbus is the only real South Florida threat. But if some of the large publics in Dade and Broward decide to do a Miami Central, then we will still be disadvantaged.
I am not going to whine any further on this. But in my opinion only making kids that transfer sit a year unless it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that there is a real reason for the transfer that is not sports related (such as the death of a custodian, a divorce, and the like) will make the system fairer.
sit a year is the real solution. period. 365 out, regardless. academics over athletics. get caught using fake address, no sports for 365.
but because im a hater,
you want fair, theres one the comes to the westside of orlando every year, they have lots of cotton candy, some wonderful fried stuff and some carnies that can talk smack better than any 15yr old.
life aint fair, rich get richer, poor stay poor and middle class is screwed both ways.
i will take my cotton candy please and a nice fried snickers, with my diet coke. thank you
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19 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
No what I’m saying is Live Oak needs to get better. Teams in Miami are being punished for some of them being good and rural North FL team are being rewarded for mediocrity.
the point is you don’t separate teams just because one team has more success and is better. Unless you aren’t watering it down during a split. I get bad teams not playing top teams but don’t split it. We don’t need 9 classes. 6 at most
9 too many, 6 may not be enough. that 6th class would be like 2500 and up, what kind of disparity is that? a team with 2500 kids playing a team with 4000 kids(or more). not different than 1000 vs 2500.....
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14 hours ago, Steinbrenner Warriors said:
Go to their projection link... at the top says projection accuracy for 2022
http://calpreps.com/2022/projection_accuracy.htm
Their model has projected 1288 Wins and lost 249 for 83.8%
Their national pre game projections of games this year is 35,143- 6892 for 83.6%
The model is phenomenal... it is based on point spread which increases greatly how well they can pinpoint wins and losses... the FHSAA model takes out the most important piece of the accuracy of power ratings
ok cool,
cpu models still dont understand high school kids. they are wrong too.
so I went thru a couple of games teams lost to teams they were supposed to beat and, cpu model says win but they actually got blown out in the game.
why?
because its a 16yr old kid, and weather in florida and whatever ever ever.
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2 hours ago, Steinbrenner Warriors said:
The Strength is legit just the rating of each of that teams' opponents added together and divided by the number of games played. I have been working on cracking the formula quite a bit and have figured out a few things a long the way.
This may be public knowledge and I just never knew but Maxpreps, rating and Strength numbers are exact mirror copies of whatever Calpreps posts. So Calpreps computers do the work, maxpreps uses those numbers as their ratings. Calpreps may I add does a phenomenal job. Whatver the formula is they use is pretty damn good as nearly all state games are predicted at 82% or better.
We are in a tight race with Dr. Phillips and Olympia for the last 2 playoffs spots in 4m 2. I predicted using what I thought was the formula within a couple tenths of a point this week. The issue is I still cannot for the life of me figure out exactly what they are using and being a couple tenths off this coming week means playoffs or no playoffs.
I really do not understand the logic of not sharing the formula. Even share it on maxpreps pages so it generates traffic and advertising. Have a what if calculator and get 100 million new clicks with bored coaches and fans trying to see how they can get in.
There is no doubt in my mind the current formula is a bit wonky because you can't just remove point spread from a beautiful computer formula that uses point spread heavily in their formula and expect a pretty picture.
Current top 10 4m2
Maxpreps FHSAA
1. Ocoee 1. West Orange
2. West Orange 2. East Lake
3. Plant 3. Ocoee
4. East Lake 4. Plant
5. Sumner 5. Sumner
6. Steinbrenner 6. Durant
7. Durant 7. Dr. Phillips
8. Olympia 8. Olympia
9. Newsome 9. Steinbrenner
10. Riverview 10. Alonso
We are a 6 seed per maxpreps, who mind you is the same company that does the FHSAA rankings but with the FHSAA we are not in the playoffs at this moment.
This is why I wish they would give us the formula so we could see how things are being done so we can say, hey that makes sense... it is a pretty good tool. When the group that has us as a 6th seed, also ranks us as a 9th seed using whatever the different formula is... it is a bit tougher to swallow
I do respect the FHSAA is trying to make things more fair and more balanced so the right teams get in and the better teams get chances to host even if their district was brutal. It is a bit disheartening however that we are left to sit until Sunday without knowing how to figure out if we are in or not but hoping and having faith the numbers have all been entered correctly.
cal preps is very cool site,
the prediction model is interesting, but 82% is a bit high I think. numbers dont equate to heart, attitude, weather, etc. games aint won in cpus, they are won on the field.
its a bit ludacris to think that the top 8 in a region could feature 4 schools from 1 district and 1 school from the other 3 districts. not that those 4 may not be deserving, and or some poor records for teams that played a tough schedule. is what it is,
top 2 from each district, make the districts mandatory 6 teams, lower the classes back to 6 to increase sizes of the classes. simple fix. things like travel should be part of the appeal process. playing in a tough district should not.
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this guy says ratings are what gets teams in,
if thats the case some of those 7,8 win teams will not be getting in and someone like TC at 3-6 with a huge power ranking will be in,
some dist champs will be on the road too? according to what he posted on that link if it stays true,
thats ludacris....
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13 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
Where can I find them
fhsaa.com, football, rankings
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14 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
Someone mentioned that TC would b eliminated from playoff contention if they lost
their district is chock full of teams that have beat each other up, vero, martin county, tresure coast, centinnel.
friday will be interesting for sure for that one,
diving into these rankings now.
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looking at the losing record teams,
treaseure coast and that region is interesting, 4s region 3, they have the strongest SOS in the whole region, but not district champs, 6th in the region in ranking, etc, etc,
they play chaminade friday and likely lose
but they probably make the playoffs, which is completely bizzare at 3-7
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strength of schedule has to be a part, but no way thats the only thing. 3 of the top 10 SOS have losing records.
so schedule tough and lose and still make playoffs.
seems ridiculous to me
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7 minutes ago, Dr. D said:
Not trying to clog up the forum with big attachments, but 4S below was my first attempt. So really just 5 more classifications to go, although I'm getting tired of looking at my Rand-McNally Road Atlas and MapQuest. But I learned that Lake Placid is in Florida, when I thought all this time it was in New York, so I'm learning a lot about Florida geography. I'll leave computer models to the mathematicians and statisticians. 
good work,
playing devils advocate,
pretty boring to play the same teams year in and year out, only having 1 or 2 teams not in your district you would get to schedule.
to be in a powerhouse district and be a bottom feeder, would be absolutely awful.
oh i know, get better, sometimes even the best coaches, nicest uniforms, awesome equipment, etc, flat out doesnt beat jimmies and joes. i couldnt imagine being forced to play just these teams yearly. ocps does that and every year the same schools beat the same schools. winter park beats colonial, university, every year, timber creek beats colonial, university, east river, every year, on and on and on. boring....
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11 minutes ago, Beek said:
it is legal now. I was informed by a referee and he showed me the actual rule. This still, in my opinion should be considered or could be confused as intentional grounding
interesting observation, I do agree
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13 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Not meaning to pile on one of our local schools, Toho Tigers but I must say this has turned into a very disappointing year for them. They entered with a lot of hype securing the Freshman QB with alot of promise to attend there, new coach from Lk. Nona and all the other chatter. After a 5-0 start and lots of chest thumping regarding passing records being set by this "Phenom" they got beat by an 0-7 Celebration team in their last outing. The HC with all his varsity experience should have known better as the combined record of their first 5 opponents to date is 7-35. Toho has lost their last three games in a row and will undoubtedly lose the last 2. That school has lots of potential with where they are located and I hope they do step it up in every way next year.
i thought you was joking and had to go hate hard on the schedule and call you out for wrong.
holy spaceballs.....0-8, 1-8(ambassador chrstian?), 0-8, 5-3(st cloud? they beat st cloud? shocking), 1-8,
you wasnt kidding. the phenom has 2500 yds passing vs 7 and 35. lol, awesome.
im with nole, tell yall coach to hang a hunnit on em
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15 hours ago, Beek said:
An 0-7 Celebration beat TOHO tonight...I was there!
WHAT!
the run it up guy? the guy who set the state record for td passes in a game at 10 vs celebration?
the I coach the most prolific pass game in the state(fwd pitch handoffs and fwd pass jet sweeps if you call it a that pass offense)
lost to celebration????
thats 3 in arow with the kowboys being #4 friday and a tough haines city next week. could be 5 straight losses for those fellas. ouch
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55 minutes ago, Beek said:
I am not the one to say a lot when it comes to other teams. Especially when they are in our county. But the circumstances of our JV game Thursday and what happened tonight bring a few things to light. We played TOHO on jv Thursday night. I do not care what anyone from that school says in rebuttal to what I am going to say! Their show of sportsmanship is the absolute worst I have ever seen. They sent numerous players to the jv game who are varsity starters and backups. Dont lie about it!
Their whole intention was to win a JV game at all costs. TOHO shows up with 60+ ish players for a JV game, A lot of those players are wearing Varsity helmets (it is obvious to see which is which) We are playing JV with JV players. We chose to sit most of our 6 quarter kids as well because winning on Friday is what it is all about. Isn't it?
The long and short of it is this. We are loosing the game in the second half. With a running clock. TOHO continues to throw the deep passes with their 6'2 JV receivers! and a varsity caliber QB. (my own speculation, only on jv because of their freshman phenom on varsity. Kids say he was the varsity starter last year) over our 5'2" freshmen corners. They run up the score to 60-14 in a JV game with a running clock since it was 35-0 or maybe 42-7 in the early 3rd 1/4. with less than 2 minutes to go their coach said " put the varsity players back in". He started to and was going to run a 2 minute drill against a JV team down by 46. He had every intention on scoring again! Graciously the officials did not let that happen. They ran the clock out trying to get the ball set!
During the handshake after the game. My JV coach said to the Head coach. " We understand that on varsity you do what you have to do. But this is JV, developmental football. We have no issue with you doing everything you can in the first half. But when the game goes to a running clock. A little respect is expected. After all this is JV." the response was! Your kids are just soft and shouldn't even be playing JV, if you dont like it then stop us!"
We could have sent down 10 players if we really wanted to win a jv game. But how does that develop the younger kids moving forward. So you know my opinion of the coaching staff of toho jv anyway!
I wonder if playing kids 2 full games in 2 days make a difference? 6 quarters? Who tracks that?
fhsaa supposedly frowns on consecutive days of games, supposed to be a 24hr period in between games for those 6 qtr kids, according to this websites interpretation when rule was implemented last yr
but,
who does keep track of it. i guess its "scouts honor". with the nona guy, not alot of honor there nor his staff. aint never heard a person talk good about him, players coaches or adults.
losing to haromny 40 to 7, sure put some stank in his mouth last night I am sure. harmony hadnt scored many points this year if you look at their game schedule, defense points in most games.
couldnt happen to a better dude....and his freshmen phenom 5 picks and 2 fumbles, osceola gonna put a hurting on that kid. 60-0 is my prediction running clock in 1st half
STA dipping into Tampa Bay?
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well said @Ray Icaza 1 yr sit rule would eliminate alot of the tomfoolery going on in the HS transfer portal....fhsaa doesnt have the cajones to pull it off tho. they dont want anyone to sue them for not allowing thier baby to play ball where the rich get richer and poor stay in the dumps....