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7 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Where did you see that EVERYONE had them as 21 point favorites
I saw it as maybe a TD favorite at most
This was from Joe Pinko's Week 2:
"Armwood 21 over North Gwinnett GA"
Only line I saw.
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Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I've always thought Hillsborough having that rule is a stupid rule to have
Welcome to the club. I'd send you a membership card, but we ran out about 500 members ago.
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6 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Damn straight. Some teams in general that never need to play another oos game
Cocoa
Plant
Lincoln
Godby
Niceville
Absolutely . . . because the only reason why any Florida team should ever play an out-of-state game is so that folks on a message board can claim that the teams in their state are better than the teams in another state. Forget that coaches might want to give their teams a challenge, might want to create a bonding experience and might actually want to give their kids a chance to get on an airplane and leave the town they grew up in for the first time.
(And before you jump on the argument that they could find other teams in Florida to challenge them, remember that there are some counties that literally won't let their teams cross county lines unless it's a district game, a playoff game or an out-of-state game . . . and feel free to argue the logic of that line of thinking).
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It's always been interesting to me that coaches have known that other schools are out there recruiting, but haven't turned them in. I've spoken with some of them about it. Best I can figure, there's some sort of "honor among thieves" mentality. That, and no one wants to be called out as a snitch. Better to take your chances on the field than to be the guy who gets another coach fired for breaking the rules.
In some areas, South Florida for example, I believe there's a cultural element. "Yeah, we all know it's illegal, but I know you're doing it and you know we're doing it, so let's just figure out who can do it better and we'll all keep our mouths shut." People who live in glass houses shouldn't (and in many cases don't) throw stones.
Columbia, I think the biggest difference between Lakeland and Cocoa, on the one hand, and Jacksonville and South Florida, on the other hand, can be found in the way you have framed the question -- individual schools versus entire metro areas. Polk County is a pretty big country, but probably not as populated as Duval, Dade or Broward. But there are several high schools in Polk. Only one has a statewide reputation for success on a regular basis. And perhaps not coincidentally, only one has a statewide reputation for achieving this success on the backs of transfers - at least lately. Don't forget how this whole transfer mess got started . . . Lakeland legislators were upset that the FHSAA declared ineligible a handful of kids who transferred into Lakeland.
A similar argument can be made about Brevard County and Cocoa. Unlike Brevard and Polk, there has not been a dominant public school team in Duval or the two South Florida counties over the last decade or so. The balance of power shifts. Yeah, a couple of schools tend to stay up at the top year after year, but they don't flat out dominate the other schools in the county like Lakeland and Cocoa do.
Finally, as in all walks of life, some schools and some counties have more integrity than others. I know of one high school administrator in the Tampa area who is still doing unannounced home visits to make sure athletes are actually living where they claim they are living and that where they claim they are living is in the district. I don't know if they're doing the same thing for kids in the band, but I doubt it. Other schools would rather turn a blind eye.
And the capacity issue is a definite problem. How can quality schools at capacity like Winter Park be expected to keep up with the Joneses (or the Edgewaters) when they're at capacity and, therefore, can't accept a 5-star recruit who wants to play for Winter Park, but who doesn't live in the district? While this problem may only affect a small number of schools statewide, it has the potential to kill programs that historically have been very good (i.e., a school/team like Plant).
Last point I'll make on this subject: at least now, there's nothing wrong with a kid transferring from one school to another. Let me rephrase that: there's nothing illegal about it. I see both sides of the moral aspect. That having been said, while transferring is legal, recruiting still is not. "Overtures," as someone wrote up above, likely means a text message from an assistant coach to a player or family member of a player attending another school trying to gauge that kid's interest in "playing for ring." That's recruiting and that's illegal. But in the unlikely event it ever gets revealed (see the "honor among thieves" discussion above), it results in a slap on the wrist and a fine that a large south Florida private school, for example, can simply factor into their athletic budget as a rounding error.
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38 minutes ago, badbird said:
Here is a situation that recently occurred. I won’t use team names. A team got 5 transfers from one school. They all used the same kids address. They were turned in to the fhsaa. The superintendent of the county allowed the kids to go to that school. That’s how it happens.
I'm guessing the 5 kids weren't quintuplets.
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2 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
When the last time plant started 0-3 because they seem heading to that with Gonzaga on deck
It would have been before 2004. 2004 was Coach Weiner's first year and Plant went 3-7 (and they won their second game of the season).
The Gonzaga game is the last weekend of September (9/27), but Plant has two games before then: a home game against a very good Tampa Bay Tech team (9/13) and a home game against Bloomingdale (9/20).
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Good luck.
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8 hours ago, ORabidOne said:
GEEEEEZ, lemme write that down! SOOOOOO, they are favored by three scores, against the #7 ranked 7A team in Georgia......on the ROAD?
Yeah, apparently North Gwinnett lost to a team last week that they should have blown out.
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8 minutes ago, HornetFan said:
Is it fair to call this team Lakeland HS or should it be referred to as the Polk County All-Stars. FHSAA playoffs are losing any semblance of credibility that they may have had in the past. It has become an argument of "can my all-start team beat your all-star team for a fabricated state championship after we finish "bitch-slapping" all the teams we stole players from?" The same question goes for the STA's of Florida.
Dude (I'm assuming), you're on a roll this morning. But, as I have suggested in other threads, I truly believe that the FHSAA's hands are tied on this right now. They opposed the law that went into effect 3-4 years ago that essentially legalized open/free transfers. They knew what would happen (i.e., what is now happening). But, if the FHSAA tries to regulate the transfer of student/athletes in a way that contradicts the law, they run the risk of getting legislated out of existence.
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32 minutes ago, HornetFan said:
The only way to correct the transfer problem is for schools to refuse to play teams that accept transfers unless such transfers families have actually relocated to that school district. The nonsense of a student-athlete residing in another students home is absolute BS and should not be allowed. I see comments here trying to justify "cheating" schools out of their better players so unethical coaches can build their resumes and keep their local fans happy. If you recruit them as 9th, 10th, or 11th grade students, it's no better than recruiting them as seniors. Lakeland, with this army of transfers should be declared ineligible for state playoffs. Let them play the IMG's of the world.
While I understand both your frustration and your point, I don't see how your proposed solution could be applied in the real world. For example, some school districts (like Hillsborough) handle the scheduling. Also, how could you avoid playing a team in your district? Refuse to play them just because they're not saying no to transfers? Another point: most schedules are made up well before the end of recruiting season, er, transfer season, er, before the end of the summer. Last, how the heck is a coach of Team A supposed to know if a transfer from Team B to Team C moved into Team C's district or not?
Again, I understand your angst and applaud you for trying to come up with a solution. I just don't see this one as working.
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No. 5 Armwood (1-0) at North Gwinett, Ga. (1-0)
No. 10 Columbus (1-0) at Osceola (Kissimmee) (1-0)
No. 23 Booker T. Washington (1-0) vs. Miami Central (0-1)
No. 7 Miami Carol City (1-0) vs. No. 3 Miami Northwestern (1-0) (by 10)
No. 21 Cocoa (1-0) vs. Hoover, Ala. (1-0) at The Freedom Bowl
Lincoln (1-0) at No. 19 Rockledge (1-0)
Bergen Catholic, N.J. (0-0) at No. 2 St. Thomas Aquinas (1-0)
Miramar (1-0) at Dillard (1-0)
Crestview (1-0) at Escambia (1-0)
Fort Myers (1-0) at Charlotte (1-0) -
9 minutes ago, Jags904 said:
They could still transfer to whatever school that will take them, they’d just be ineligible for athletic competition for 365 years.
But arguably, that would defeat both the letter of the law (i.e., to allow free transfer) and the purpose of the law (to allow football players from neighboring Polk County schools to transfer to Lakeland and immediately play).
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35 minutes ago, Jags904 said:
Unless there is an actual change of address into the school, there should be a one year ban on participating with the future school at all. No attending workouts, nothing.
Because of the law that was enacted a few years ago, I think the FHSAA's hands are tied on this issue. If someone knows otherwise, please say so.
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I had heard the number of incoming transfers was pretty high, but I had no idea the number was that high. By my count, 20 new players, most from other Polk County schools, transferred in. Wow! The state Senator and state rep from that area must be very happy with what they accomplished a few years back.
And I agree that Castle is not out there actively recruiting players . . . he's smarter than that. That's what assistant coaches are for. Just ask STA.
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Just want to confirm that picks can be changed up until they are locked in, right?
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Um, Joe Pinko's has Armwood favored by 3 TD's. Then, again, I'm not sure how JP rates out-of-state teams.
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5 minutes ago, Zoe Boy said:
Ummmm good or sloppy game.. Either team could of won it and y’all pulled it out.. What else can I say...
You could say "It's great . . . to be . . . a Florida Gator." But I doubt you'll say that.
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14 hours ago, Big Ray said:
Any program can be turned around in my opinion. Daytona Beach Mainland has made the playoffs 25 years in a row and 26 of the last 27 years. if you go back 3 years before their first playoff appearance, they were 4-36 in a 4 years span.
I understand your point, but consider this: when Mainland got good, it was on the backs of the kids who were zoned to go there (and probably some good coaching). Those kids had little or no choice where they went to high school. Today, what are the chances that those same kids would end up at Mainland? Isn't it more likely that -- even if they started out in the 9th grade at Mainland -- they would (eventually) end up at another school? That's my point: a school like Mainland who's experiencing the inevitable downturns that a public school experiences, might not ever have the chance to rebuild again, because the building blocks will opt to play down the road at the school that's already good.
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8 hours ago, gatorman-uf said:
Many years ago I suggested it and still stand by it, but teams should move up or down, not based on their enrollment, but on their on-field/court success. As your team improves, then you play tougher competition by moving up a classification, as your team struggles, you move down a classification. There is little reason in today's age that teams that powerhouse teams should be in districts with the chronically failing. If we want programs to grow, they have to feel like they have a chance to win or otherwise we are setting them up for failure. In football, they could do it in 2 year cycles. In other sports, one year cycles.
And just for kicks, we'll call it the Premier League.
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I'm glad UF won. And I'm glad Florida started out with Miami. If the Gators had started out with a D2 directional team, I think we all would have gotten a false impression of both their strengths and their weaknesses. That said, on the offensive side of the ball, Toney (a/k/a Percy Harvin 2.0) is a play maker. Franks both scares me and excites me. Florida's ground game needs work. But they made some plays when then had to. On the defensive side, the D-line was impressive (excitement tempered by the knowledge that Miami's O-Line is young and inexperienced). LB's had an average night. DB's got a little too aggressive at the end of the game, but I'd rather try to tone down an aggressive player than be forced to make an aggressive player out of a timid one. Special teams look sound. The Gators may be back to the days where it all comes down to the Florida/Georgia game to decide who plays in the SEC Championship game.
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7 hours ago, ORabidOne said:
Are they legit, or just a wannabe? Cause North Gwinnett is pretty good!
They're legit. You can read my post in the other thread for a more detailed breakdown, but they're fast and athletic and they've got some size up front (especially on the defensive side of the field).
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From my perspective, it's possible for a historically bad school to get good or for a team that has a lot of good history, but that has fallen on hard times of late, to get good again. In order for that to happen, it will have to take some combination of the following: a new coach with a lot of juice (i.e., someone with a lot a history in and support from the community, someone who played at that school, someone who went on to have a successful college and/or pro career, etc.) and/or one or more coaches who are willing to push, if not overlook, the rules regarding recruiting/transfers. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're going to bend the rules, do it when you're program is down because folks won't really care, and then clean it up as you start to get good. And understand I'm not advocating that anyone do these things; it's just my realistic thought process into how it could/may happen. I don't know if Sarasota fits into this narrative or not.
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50 minutes ago, Coach said:
I know in the area where I live, student population can make or break a school. Teams like Liberty, Toho, Poinciana, Celebration and Cypress Creek have high Hispanic populations and football isn't a very important part of the culture so a lot of those students play other sports. I mean, Poinciana won a state basketball championship not long ago so they have athletes, but most don't want to play for programs that are historically bad.
You could have left out the first three lines and just kept in the last part and you would have been spot on.
And here's the thing: with the relatively free transfer rules now in place, a kid interested in football doesn't have to attend the school with the historically bad football program, meaning those historically bad programs are going to stay historically bad. Gone are the days when a couple of good players who happened to live in a particular district could rise up and change a school's program for the better.
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Although I cannot argue with his success, I've never been the biggest Nick Saban fan. Perhaps that's a by-product of following an SEC East team. That said, he had some pretty insightful comments (today?) about 'kids' who make mistakes and the expectations and demands that society has in response. Take a look:
https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1165657656675241985
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For what it's worth, this is the lead-in language to the picks each week on Joe Pinkos:
" Joe Pinkos’ Power Ratings are calculated by a formula based on strength of opposition and margin of victory with greater weight given to recent games. The forecasted margin of victory for each game is determined by subtracting the power rating of the lower-rated team from the power rating of its higher-rated opponent."