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I still think Jones is assuredly a top 25 team in this state.  Looking bad to an out of state nationally ranked team can happen to anyone.  That Good Counsel team lost to Edwards who's line is literally the size of Ohio State's OL.

This will be of little interest to most, but the governor has appointed his 8 representatives to the FHSAA Board of Directors, per HB 225.  More of a "public" and "suburban" lean than I would have expected.  Still 2 public and 2 nonpublic representatives to be elected, but this is the group that will be responsible for setting the policies and procedures that we like to complain about.
https://www.flgov.com/2023/08/22/governor-ron-desantis-appoints-eight-to-the-florida-high-school-athletic-association-board-of-directors/#:~:text=— Today%2C Governor Ron DeSantis announced the appointment,Florida High School Athletic Association Board of Directors.

I tried to watch a couple games on NFHS last night and both were literally unwatchable as one had something seemingly covering half the lense and the other game was too blurry to make out what was going on.  I don't expect professional level production but come on, at least be able to see the games that are on.  

I still think Jones is assuredly a top 25 team in this state.  Looking bad to an out of state nationally ranked team can happen to anyone.  That Good Counsel team lost to Edwards who's line is literally the size of Ohio State's OL.

I tried to watch a couple games on NFHS last night and both were literally unwatchable as one had something seemingly covering half the lense and the other game was too blurry to make out what was going on.  I don't expect professional level production but come on, at least be able to see the games that are on.  

I was at the game. Titans might have had 400 yds rushing. OL know their assignments. Lotta homeruns. Jesuit not the team it was that 1 great year. Looked lost. 

All things human come to an end. Today's winningest programs could easily be tomorrow's punching bags in a decade or two. We never know what the future holds.
In the case of the "muck" economic changes have lead to demographic changes which are largely responsible for the current state of muck football, excluding Pahokee, which still fields decent, if not all world, teams.

I remember when great players came out of Glades Central and Glades Day.

I remember when great players came out of Glades Central and Glades Day.

BG 39 - Central 33 final
Some very questionable coaching by Central at the end plus BG with a crazy good 1-minute offense to take the lead with a few seconds left.  

File this under "it probably doesn't really matter to most folks," but the St. Augustine @ St. Pete Gibbs game reportedly has been cancelled because of Hurricane Idalia.  
I expect more cancellations to follow, but this is the first cancelled game that I've seen reported. 

I hate when JV games get cancelled.  At least here in Hillsborough County, the JV teams only get to play 6 games and typically if a game gets canceled (for any reason), it doesn't get rescheduled.  Those kids are out there practicing just as much as the varsity kids, so I hate to see them have an already short season made even shorter. 

I made the trek out to nature coast to watch Poinciana play they looked physical fast but overall undersized their offense seemed overwhelmed with the size of nature coast, their offense sputtered but their defense kept them in the game after a blown coverage and a bad punt snap led to nature coats two first half scores, Akeem Knox is the real deal he is a FBS/FCS Caliber player, does not look like the same kid from last year at Osceola. Poinciana's offense lacked overall success when they tried to go vertical with the ball in pass game they were successful early in quick game should have stuck to it, but when the wheels fall off they fell off hard, coaches arguing with coaches , players arguing with players it turned ugly in the 4th quarter for the eagles, hopefully they can turn it around for Hardee in two weeks

I will speak for Poinciana result last night. We lost 35-14. The score doesnt tell the whole story of the game. We were up 14-12  into the 4th quarter. Players made key mistakes, coaches made key mistakes. The blame is on the coaches, not the players. You play like you practice, and we didnt practice very well this week!
My hat is off to nature coast. they are physical and big up front. Thats where we lost the game. our O-line couldnt physically win the battle at the line. Our kids fought their hearts out, but they couldnt sustain the level of physicality that was required. Our defense played a real good game for the most part. Their 1st td was a total break down in coverage, where a player did not stay on assignment and had his eyes in the backfield. Such is life! We figured out that this was going to be a battle in the trenches, as nature coast has a big bruising running back. But we do too. Both of our td's came on the ground. We contained that big kid for 95% of the night. Defense played well. We just could not get the offence clicking the way it needed to. We faced too many 3rd and long. I wont complain about officiating, but it sure seemed to be one way only. Every time they needed a break, a penalty happened. every time we had a big gain, we had a penalty. Maybe we just only make timely mistakes. But that is still no excuse! We had some play calling issues that put our defense in a bad position, especially with a untimely mistake on special teams, giving them the ball inside the 10. That score isnt on the defense. That is on coaching. But coaches are human too. 
Once they took the lead, they took a couple of shots into very well defended receivers and they got lucky, in my opinion. excellent effort on their kids and great coverage on ours, they just won the contested battle. In my opinion, as they didnt do this before they had the lead, those attempts wouldnt have happened if they didnt have the lead. 
Even being down 2 scores, offense didnt give up, but it sputtered. 1st downs being called back, 3rd and long, and their players rose to the occasion. Depth on the o-line really began to show. Good thing as we have 2-3 more linemen who will be able to help by the next game. A place where we need the help. 
Their last td was the kids giving up. That is on the coaches! We had a very good chance to win the game deep into the 4th quarter before we fell apart. 
We have a lot to build on, work on and correct. With a bye week we have a lot of time to fix those problems. 
I have written this before I watch the game on film. My opinion may change after a few hours of film study!
 

Another update:
Viera's back in action:  https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/second-opportunity-viera-high-school-will-compete-in-football-games-district-ends-suspension
Interestingly, no mention is made in the article as to the status of the coach. 

I will wait to see the STA QB vs normal competition before I pass judgement since SJB might even be favored vs IMG.

Osceola County Score Board 
 
Osceola 8 Treasure Coast 22
Poinciana 14 Nature Coast 35
St. Cloud 12 Barron Collier 42
Harmony 3 Eustis 45
Celebration 0 Ridge Community 46
Gateway 0 Lake Buena vista 21
Tohopekaliga 56 Liberty 6
 
Id say i was close on all but one

Hey @VeniceIndianFan!  Where are you man?  I'm just making sure you're okay after last night.  No one wants to start the season with a loss.  I know I don't.  However, there's plenty of season left and it's best to take the lumps early and improve from that.  I'm speaking for myself too, lol.  

Bro needs some time to really get back into the playful mode. He probably hasn’t cracked a smirk in 16 hours

High school Officials aren't great, they are pressured into trying to call a perfect game when its impossible and that's why we get ticky tacky penalties that we don't get at the next level, never heard a referee overturn a call because a coach yelled, move on

Yeah man, you missed my meaning.  I meant call it consistently for both sides.  If you call unsportsmanlike conduct for a DB doing the incomplete arm motion, then call it for the other team that is also doing it, for example.

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

People have too high of expectations for HS refs.  They aren't full time refs and it's just a side hustle so you shouldn't expect NFL level refs (which everyone seems to hate on anyway, ironically).  The refs actually see more than you think and don't call half the stuff they could call to keep the game moving, especially in the area of holding.  When I work the chains I'm always talking to the side judge and many times they are cool and tell me things they see and let go.  This gave me a new appreciation for their tough job. 
Now the only time I get ticked at the refs is when they pick on one team for whatever reason that may be.   Take for instance a game I attended tonight, they called a puzzling unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for a DB making the incomplete signal on one team but didn't call it on the other team when they did it.  They also called 4 other unsportsmanlike conduct calls on the same team with zero called on the other team.  One sided.  I just want consistency in their calls.

People have too high of expectations for HS refs.  They aren't full time refs and it's just a side hustle so you shouldn't expect NFL level refs (which everyone seems to hate on anyway, ironically).  The refs actually see more than you think and don't call half the stuff they could call to keep the game moving, especially in the area of holding.  When I work the chains I'm always talking to the side judge and many times they are cool and tell me things they see and let go.  This gave me a new appreciation for their tough job. 
Now the only time I get ticked at the refs is when they pick on one team for whatever reason that may be.   Take for instance a game I attended tonight, they called a puzzling unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for a DB making the incomplete signal on one team but didn't call it on the other team when they did it.  They also called 4 other unsportsmanlike conduct calls on the same team with zero called on the other team.  One sided.  I just want consistency in their calls.

People have too high of expectations for HS refs.  They aren't full time refs and it's just a side hustle so you shouldn't expect NFL level refs (which everyone seems to hate on anyway, ironically).  The refs actually see more than you think and don't call half the stuff they could call to keep the game moving, especially in the area of holding.  When I work the chains I'm always talking to the side judge and many times they are cool and tell me things they see and let go.  This gave me a new appreciation for their tough job. 
Now the only time I get ticked at the refs is when they pick on one team for whatever reason that may be.   Take for instance a game I attended tonight, they called a puzzling unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for a DB making the incomplete signal on one team but didn't call it on the other team when they did it.  They also called 4 other unsportsmanlike conduct calls on the same team with zero called on the other team.  One sided.  I just want consistency in their calls.