s1nglewing

You fear Hawthorne because of what they did to you last year and are going to do again this year. Cornelius Ingram is as high quality person as you can find.
Madison can play in 1A with a 4A enrollment, but Hawthorne can't get transfers?
Grow up kid.

In 2017 St Joseph trailed Rocky Bayou 33-8 at halftime but came back to outscore Rocky Bayou 78-14 in the second half - with a running clock for the last seven minutes of the game - SJ scored 78 unanswered points in under seventeen minutes. The final was 86-47 with RBCS scoring the last 14 points.

I think his leadership helped Denver achieve what they did that season- not his ability.

I think his leadership helped Denver achieve what they did that season- not his ability.

He should have done this several years ago, if he were serious. The odds of success at this stage are not very good. No hate intended; just stating reality. Could he succeed? Yes. Will he? I doubt it very much. 

If it's ok for one then it's ok for any (numbers manipulation). Appears Chipley and Crescent City's leadership have scruples.

How the hell does every freaking thread become about some podunk community in North Florida... for the love of god, form your own thread and talk about them there. Otherwise, get the hell off this thread. Or at least contribute to a meaningful conversation. Repeating ad nauseam that your school is the best with zero proof. 

If you want to be the best, tell your principal/ad/coach/school board to stop ducking the competition that they should actually be in and go and play in it. Otherwise, except your participation trophy and shut up.

We'll never find out. Madison County is satisfied being the big fish in the little pond. They clearly don't want any part of being tested by equivalent competition.

We'll never find out. Madison County is satisfied being the big fish in the little pond. They clearly don't want any part of being tested by equivalent competition.

So the schools who are manipulating numbers see themselves on a level playing field as 1A teams? Why not petition to play in 2A if they feel they're not on level playing field in 3A. Or drop to 3A if not level in 4A. Better yet go independent or join a conference til you feel like you can compete again.

Here is some info from the upcoming FHSAA BOD's meeting regarding re-classification: https://fhsaa.com/documents/2021/2/10//February_2021_Complete_Agenda.pdf?id=1151
Item for Discussion:
The 2021-22 school year starts a new two year classification cycle per policy 12. The student enrollment numbers used for this upcoming cycle were submitted by member schools to the FHSAA Office in October 2020. FHSAA Staff has heard some concern from membership concerning the validity of the student enrollment numbers submitted due to COVID-19. Some of the ideas from membership was to extend the current classification setup by one or two years. FHSAA Staff has reviewed student enrollment numbers from the last 3 years (October 2020, October 2019 and October2018) and followed up with school districts and schools for student enrollments that may have the appearance of a significant percentage decrease or increase.
 
There is also a Discussion Item regarding 1A:
Request to discuss the revamping of IA rural and how the class is determined moving from a set number of student enrollment at 600 to a set number of schools in the class by sport.
 
Over the course of the years the IA rural class has been in existence It no longer resembles what it was intended to be and also has been consistently manipulated by schools and school based personnel. We have seen schools that have had their enrollment numbers decreased by many students and come in for classification purposes at 600, 599, etc. to get under the 600 mark that was set in the beginning of this class being formed. The sole purpose of using 600 as the number in the beginning was that it was determined that there needed to be 32 teams in the sport of football for example, in order to make the classification sustainable and at that time it took the number up to 600 to reach that 32 threshold. That is no longer the case but what schools are doing is manipulating their numbers through various ways. Below is a list of some of the ways these numbers are being manipulated. Sending lower achieving students to alternative schools and placing them with an administrator” so they are considered a different school and fall under the non4raditional student category so the main school only has to count the students that participate in sports at the main high school which is a number that is IMPOSSIBLE for the FHSAA to monitor or anyone to verity. Keep in mind many of these students cannot graduate because they are a complete virtual platform that does not offer enough classes for graduation or they will then come and graduate with their peers at their home school after all sports are completed Using virtual platforms within what is now their covid relief plan to house students that are doing virtual school within the home school, not FLVS, but are some on campus and some off. Many schools are allowing students that are staying home for ‘covid concerns” to participate still in athletics. These students are not being counted under the home school so they don’t count in their student enrollment numbers for classifications. These are just a couple of examples but I am certain if I dig there are many more. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of the IA Rural class was to create a class that is for like schools and like communities. You would be hard pressed to find many of the schools in 1A that have a chain grocery store, any fast food places, more than I or 2 red lights and almost none will have a Walmart. We are now getting to the point where there are schools with every fast food restaurant there Is, Walmart supercenters. a major state highway running through them, and almost 6,000 people in the city itself compared to the majority of schools that have closer to 2,000 people in their respective communities. I will provide the exact population for all rural school communities at the board meeting. My biggest point is that if we remove the 600 number and just take the smallest X number of schools per classification for each rural sport we would take away all manipulation tools that could be used to take athletic advantage of a school working to get below that number. This will not alleviate all problems but it wili go a long way to fixing this issue which I believe could mean the end of the classification in the future. I also pose this thought IA has always been criticized as being the only class that has a set number. This would take away that perceived inequity and place them on a similar, yet not exact, playing field as the other classes. In closing, I believe we must make a harsh move to eliminate the manipulation that is not taking place to get schools into the rural class and it is only going to get worse with covid and the future of education that is moving more and more towards virtual and non traditional student education. I have been the biggest proponent on this board for some time to leave the IA class alone but it is time to make some changes to save the integrity of the classification. Bobby Johns

Better to market him to a JUCO & save the family a bunch of cash. Prep school's are a rip-off

Better to market him to a JUCO & save the family a bunch of cash. Prep school's are a rip-off

There's the reason Madison County manipulates their enrollment #'s in order to play in 1A - they can't match-up with the good teams in 4A and take the coward's way to (*) championships.

Best post of 2021 hands down

Best post of 2021 hands down

Hey you guys shouldn’t be so down on Jesse. The Cowboys had a good year. 

Madison county was the first 4A team since Madison county to qualify for the 1A playoffs. 
 
That’s pretty cool. You don’t need a Charter school down the road education to realize that. 

There's the reason Madison County manipulates their enrollment #'s in order to play in 1A - they can't match-up with the good teams in 4A and take the coward's way to (*) championships.

Good coach, no doubt... but "taking advantage of a loop hole" when doing so bestows an unfair advantage reflects poorly on his character.

There's the reason Madison County manipulates their enrollment #'s in order to play in 1A - they can't match-up with the good teams in 4A and take the coward's way to (*) championships.

Coe - Yes - good coach.
"Jessie" - Yes - less than admirable qualities in posting.
Any other 1A schools doing what Madison is doing in order to skew their numbers to gain a competitive advantage? 
No.
 

There's the reason Madison County manipulates their enrollment #'s in order to play in 1A - they can't match-up with the good teams in 4A and take the coward's way to (*) championships.

They compete in the same league as Madison with a lot less kids and don't lie about their enrollment.