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You literally ask everyone to give examples of poor officiating when they mention bad calls. He went through and broke them all down and actually agreed with more calls than most other people have, now you’re taking issue with it?! He NEVER rated the officials, simply stated his opinions on the calls. You are known for asking why people don’t agree with calls or what happened, he gave it to you and instead of breaking down the calls yourself your attacking him. YOU have given ZERO input on the officiating, only questioning people instead on this and other threads. Get over yourself, refs are human and screw up. 

This is everything.
Every post from this guy is a poorly veiled passive aggressive quip. He's egotistical and unapologetically abrasive on nearly every comment. In short, he is a dick.

At least 5 other members of the forum seem to appreciate and most importantly not feel intimidated by my comments. Sorry for your singular fragility. You should see someone about it.

Great breakdown Explorer, from a non bias view point thank you. You pointed out something I’ve been wondering as well, these penalties especially the punt return, were they the players in frame or somewhere else. I wish the refs could be mic’d up and call out the numbers for the players they are calling the infractions on. If it was the guy who tripped during the punt then yes that’s a horrible call, but the frame doesn’t show the whole field. I’d be curious to know if NW had any type of videotape or YouTube channel to watch and see if there were different angles. Thank you again!
Here’s a screenshot for anyone curious of the punt, this is all you saw when the flag (circled) comes into play. The NW player did NOT block in the back the Vero player stumbled. It’s at the 2 hour, 1 minute and 38 second part of the YouTube video.
 
https://imgur.com/a/jWCClNc
 

Great breakdown Explorer, from a non bias view point thank you. You pointed out something I’ve been wondering as well, these penalties especially the punt return, were they the players in frame or somewhere else. I wish the refs could be mic’d up and call out the numbers for the players they are calling the infractions on. If it was the guy who tripped during the punt then yes that’s a horrible call, but the frame doesn’t show the whole field. I’d be curious to know if NW had any type of videotape or YouTube channel to watch and see if there were different angles. Thank you again!
Here’s a screenshot for anyone curious of the punt, this is all you saw when the flag (circled) comes into play. The NW player did NOT block in the back the Vero player stumbled. It’s at the 2 hour, 1 minute and 38 second part of the YouTube video.
 
https://imgur.com/a/jWCClNc
 

Great breakdown Explorer, from a non bias view point thank you. You pointed out something I’ve been wondering as well, these penalties especially the punt return, were they the players in frame or somewhere else. I wish the refs could be mic’d up and call out the numbers for the players they are calling the infractions on. If it was the guy who tripped during the punt then yes that’s a horrible call, but the frame doesn’t show the whole field. I’d be curious to know if NW had any type of videotape or YouTube channel to watch and see if there were different angles. Thank you again!
Here’s a screenshot for anyone curious of the punt, this is all you saw when the flag (circled) comes into play. The NW player did NOT block in the back the Vero player stumbled. It’s at the 2 hour, 1 minute and 38 second part of the YouTube video.
 
https://imgur.com/a/jWCClNc
 

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Thought i would share the stream for those interested in watching the game
 

I may be reaching a little, but you sound a lot like Flotech, aka Floridatech, this you?

Not according to my wife 

Please don’t put that on us Vero guys, but i know where your going!  Lol

I’m well aware. Born and raised in Vero, played and graduated from Vero, my father taught and coached at Vero, some of the guys I played with at Vero now coach at, you guessed it, Vero.

Most the Vero locals in reality are excited but also know this could be a tight win, or a blowout win, for either team. But you know it being a msg board people get excited lol.

Please don’t put that on us Vero guys, but i know where your going!  Lol

I’m well aware. Born and raised in Vero, played and graduated from Vero, my father taught and coached at Vero, some of the guys I played with at Vero now coach at, you guessed it, Vero.

Please don’t put that on us Vero guys, but i know where your going!  Lol

I’m well aware. Born and raised in Vero, played and graduated from Vero, my father taught and coached at Vero, some of the guys I played with at Vero now coach at, you guessed it, Vero.

Please don’t put that on us Vero guys, but i know where your going!  Lol

Most the Vero locals in reality are excited but also know this could be a tight win, or a blowout win, for either team. But you know it being a msg board people get excited lol.

Please don’t put that on us Vero guys, but i know where your going!  Lol

I'll take it a step further, thought he may have moved to VERO!

I would say that both of them are very wrong considering that both Cribboy and Vero Indian are picking blowout victories for their respective teams. That doesn’t do justice to the talent level or either team. I think Miami NW wins a very tight game but I could be wrong. 

I don’t either, Vero’s home side fills up quickly so 1/2 of the visitors side is considered “home” - that’s where I usually sit as I tend to be a bit claustrophobic and prefer the openness of not having to sit shoulder to shoulder. The only issue is the longtime train horn Vero fan (who passed away recently, but his family and friends are taking up the mantle) on this side, so you have to deal with that whenever Vero scores and/or has a big play. 

Pretty impressive schedule for VB. 

This is a great schedule for Vero and will definitely help them prepare for teams like Kissimee Osceola, Treasure Coast, Venice, Lakeland, Manatee, etc. down the line in the playoffs. But one thing I do not like is the placement of the bye week. Week 3 is just too early.