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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Cat_Scratch in Coaching Turnover Numbers by County at Public Schools This Season   
    For Brevard, John Wilkinson left Cocoa to coach his son who will be playing at New Smyrna. Can't blame him really when his wife teaches at NSBHS and his son plays football there. He was driving 45 or so miles to coach at Cocoa. 
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from Cat_Scratch in Hillsborough County Coaches -Who Is Where & How Long?   
    Hillsborough County Coaches
    30%(9/30) of the coaches below are new.
    53%(16/30) have been at their present school 1 year or less.
    30%(9/30) have been at their present school 5 years or more.
    Relative to other other populous counties, Hillsborough County has a good number of seasoned/tenured coaches.  However, with 53% of coaches at their school 1 year or less, it reflects a substantial amount of "churn." 
    Note the coaching continuity at most of the schools that have been winning the most of late.  
     
    *3 winning seasons in a row
    9 of Hillsborough County's 30 major football programs have new head coaches this season.
    Alonso-Ron Perisee     10-19 3-season record
    Brandon-Antonio Brown     16-17 3-season record
    Freedom-Henry Scurry     9-20 3-season record
    Jefferson-Joe Midulla     20-14 3-season record
    King-???     5-27 3-season record
    Newsome-CJ Yockey     15-15 3-season record
    Robinson-Craig Everhart     11-16 3-season record
    Spoto-Melvin Jenkins     8-21 3-season record
    *Tampa Catholic-Jeris McIntyre     23-11 3-season record
     
    Returning Coaches
    *Armwood-Evan Davis 1 season     38-4 3-season record
    *Berkeley Prep-Dominic Ciao 11 seasons     20-11 3-season record
    Blake-Duane Thomas 1 season     13-17 3-season record
    Bloomingdale-Max Warner 2 seasons     14-17 3-season record
    Chamberlain-Jason Lane 2 seasons     16-15 3-season record
    *Durant-Mike Gottman 15 seasons     21-11 3-season record
    *East Bay-Frank Larosa-7 seasons     17-12 3-season record
    Gaither-Kirk Karsen 1 season     16-15 3-season record
    *Jesuit-Matt Thompson 5 seasons     31-7 3-season record
    Hillsborough-Earl Garcia 25 seasons     20-12 3-season record
    Lennard-Matt Kitchie 1season     9-22 3-season record
    Leto-Joey Jaime 1 season     1-29 3-season record
    Middleton-Fred Reid 3 seasons     13-18 3-season record
    *Plant-Robert Weiner 14 seasons     34-7 3-season record
    Plant City-James Booth 1 season     21-11 3-season record
    Riverview-William Mosel 1 season     11-19 3-season record
    Sickles-Patrick Murphy-2 seasons     13-18 3-season record
    Steinbrenner- Andres Perez-Reinaldo 6 seasons     16-13 3-season record
    Strawberry Crest-Ron Hawn 2 seasons     2-28 3-season record
    *Tampa Bay Tech-Jayson Roberts 7 seasons     27-9 3-season record
    Wharton-David Mitchell 13 seasons     14-15 3-season record
     
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Wavebb in OT   
    Big time FM guy.  We are just behind Columbia and Manatee in total wins in FL.  I think we will add at least 10 this year.  We got thinned out a few years ago with the opening of Dunbar and South.  Will try to keep u informed on SWF football.  Make that 4.  Lakeland is ahead of us too
     
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to smashmouth80 in A Big Problem with Our Current Classifications   
    Bartram Trail opened in 2000 not 2010. 
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Ric Flair in Brevard County Coaches-Who Is Where & How Long?   
    Dan Burke does a great job at Palm Bay.   
     
     
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from Cat_Scratch in A Big Problem with Our Current Classifications   
    Below are 100 schools that opened since 1992 in the most populous areas of Florida.  Only 23 of those schools made the playoffs last year, and only 11 of them won a playoff game.  Amongst those who didn't, relatively few have had significant success in football since the school opened, and for those that did, the success was often short-lived.  Hillsborough County is the poster child for this phenomenon.
    The 100 schools below have won a total of 203 playoff games between them.  20 of those 200 victories were by Bartram Trail.  Listed after each team is the number of playoff (p/o) wins by each school since they opened.  43 of the schools have never won a playoff game.  
    Teams in bold below made the playoffs last season.  38% of teams in Classes 1A-8A presently make the playoffs each year.  So, the number of teams below that made the playoffs last season is disproportionately low.  
    The amount of big, new schools is unprecedented in Florida's history.  Existing schools are becoming mega-schools, like Lehigh High below, potentially moving them up in class to an even more competitive environment. 
    https://www.news-press.com/story/news/education/2018/07/06/lehigh-senior-high-growing-into-mega-school-rapid-growth/760552002/
    The upper classes have become loaded with "newer" schools.  In a sense, they have been thrown into the fire before their programs have a chance to get traction.  And even after 20 years, some are still struggling.  With the current environment of talent concentrating at less and less schools, one has to wonder if these programs will ever get traction. 
    The number of schools in Florida will no doubt increase in the future.  At this rate, will our upper classes become even more flooded with mediocre teams unless we develop a strategy beyond classifying by population?   
    Totals below by class:
    8A-26 teams
    7A-35 teams
    6A-18 teams
    5A-14 teams
    4A-3 teams
    3A-1 team
    2A-1 team
    1A-1 team
    Independent-1 teams
     
    Brevard County
    Bayside(6A) 1998     4 p/o wins
    Heritage(6A) 2009     5 p/o wins
    Space Coast(5A) 2001     0 p/o wins
    Viera(7A) 2006     7 p/o wins
     
    Broward County
    Coral Glades(Ind) 2004     0 p/o wins
    Coral Springs Charter(4A) 1999      0 p/o wins
    Cypress Bay(8A) 2002     10 p/o wins
    Everglades(8A) 2003     2 p/o wins
    Flanagan(8A) 1996      9 p/o wins
    Monarch(8A) 2003     0 p/o wins
    West Broward(7A) 2008     1 p/o wins
     
    Clay County
    Fleming Island(7A) 2003     9 p/o wins
    Oakleaf(7A) 2010     2 p/o wins
    Ridgeview(5A) 1998     2 p/o wins
     
    Collier County
    Golden Gate(6A) 2004     0 p/o wins
    Gulf Coast(7A) 1998     0 p/o wins
    Palmetto Ridge(6A) 2005     0 p/o wins
     
    Duval County
    Atlantic Coast(7A) 2010     0 p/o wins
     
    Escambia
    Northview(1A) 1996     9 p/o wins
    West Florida(5A) 2001     6 p/o wins
     
    Flagler County
    Matanzas(6A) 2005     0 p/o wins
     
    Hernando County
    Nature Coast(5A) 2003     3 p/o wins
    Weeki Wachee(5A) 2010     0 p/o wins
     
    Hillsborough
    Alonso(8A) 2001     1 p/o wins
    Blake(6A) 1997     3 p/o wins
    Durant(7A) 1995     5 p/o wins
    Freedom(7A) 2002     0 p/o wins
    Lennard(7A) 2006     2 p/o wins
    Middleton 2002(5A) (reopened)     2 p/o wins
    Newsome(8A) 2003     3 p/o wins
    Riverview(8A) 1998     2 p/o wins
    Sickles(7A) 1997     3 p/o wins
    Spoto(5A) 2006     1 p/o win
    Steinbrenner(8A) 2009     0 p/o wins
    Strawberry Crest(7A) 2009     0 p/o wins
    Wharton(7A) 1997      6 p/o wins
     
    Indian River County
    Sebastian River(6A) 1994     1 p/o win
     
    Lake County
    East Ridge(7A) 2002     6 p/o wins
    Lake Minneola(7A) 2011     0 p/o wins
    South Lake(6A) 1993     1 p/o win
     
    Lee County
    East Lee County(6A) 2007     0 p/o wins
    Ida S Baker(6A) 2004     0 p/o wins
    Island Coast(6A) 2007     4 p/o wins
    Lehigh(6A) 1994     2 p/o wins
     
    Leon County
    Chiles(7A) 1999     0 p/o wins
    St John Paul II(2A) 2001     0 p/o wins
     
    Manatee
    Braden River(7A) 2005     8 p/o wins
    Lakewood Ranch(7A) 1998     2 p/o wins
     
    Marion County
    Belleview(5A) 1995     7 p/o wins
    Westport(7A) 2000     1 p/0 win
     
    Martin County
    Jensen Beach(6A) 2004     0 p/o wins
     
    Miami-Dade County
    Dr Krop(8A) 1998     4 p/o wins
    Ferguson(8A) 2003     0 p/o wins
    Goleman(7A) 1995     1 p/o win
    Hialeah Gardens(8A) 2009     0 p/o wins
    Reagan(7A) 2006     0 p/o wins
    Varela(8A) 2000     0 p/o wins
    Westland(7A) 2007     0 p/o wins
     
    Nassau County
    Yulee(5A) 2006 (reopened)     3 p/o wins
     
    Orange County
    Cypress Creek(8A) 1992     0 p/o wins
    East River(7A) 2009     0 p/o wins
    Freedom(8A) 2003     0 p/o wins
    Lake Nona(7A) 2009     0 p/o wins
    Ocoee(7A) 2005     0 p/o wins
    Olympia(8A) 2001     1 p/o win
    Timber Creek(8A) 2001     4 p/o wins
    Wekiva(8A) 2007     3 p/o wins
    Windermere(7A) 2017     0 p/o wins
     
    Osceola County
    Celebration(7A) 2003     0 p/o wins
    Harmony(7A) 2004     2 p/o wins
    Liberty(7A) 2007     0 p/o wins
     
    Palm Beach County
    Boynton Beach(6A) 2001     0 p/o wins 
    Palm Beach Central(8A) 2003     2 p/o wins 
    Park Vista(8A) 2004     3 p/o wins
    Royal Palm Beach(7A) 1997     5 p/o wins
    West Boca(7A) 2004     2 p/o wins
     
    Pasco County
    Anclote(5A) 2009     0 p/o wins
    Fivay(5A) 2010     0 p/o wins
    Mitchell(6A) 2000     2 p/o wins
    Sunlake(6A) 2007     2 p/o wins
    Wesley Chapel(5A) 1999     0 p/o wins
    Wiregrass Ranch(7A) 2006     1 p/o wins
     
    Pinellas
    Calvary Christian(3A) 2000     1 p/o wins
    Palm Harbor(8A) 1996     1 p/o win
     
    Polk County
    George Jenkins(8A) 1993     0 p/o wins
    Lake Region(6A) 1995     0 p/o wins
    Ridge(8A) 2005     2 p/o wins
    Tenoroc(4A) 2008     0 p/o wins
     
    St Johns
    Bartram Trail(7A) 2000     20 p/o wins
    Creekside(7A) 2008     1 p/o win
    Menendez(5A) 2000     1 p/o wins
    Ponte Vedra(5A) 2008     5 p/o wins
     
    St Lucie County
    Centennial(8A) 1998     2 p/o wins
    Treasure Coast(8A) 2006     1 p/o wins
     
    Sarasota
    North Port(7A) 2001     0 p/o wins
     
    Seminole County
    Hagerty(7A) 2005     0 p/o wins
    Winter Springs(8A) 1997     1 p/o win
     
    Volusia
    Atlantic(4A) 1994     1 p/o win
    Pine Ridge(6A) 1994     0 p/o wins
    University(8A) 2010     0 p/o wins
     
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from Cat_Scratch in FL vs OOS Top-Ranked Teams - Game Results 2005-2017   
    I can only think of one game in which a titan from FL met one of the top 10 teams in Texas(based on end-of-season results) from a certain year..the Northwestern vs Southlake Carrroll game in 2007.  Maybe I am forgetting some.  
    IMO a game like that would have as much intrigue as any OOS game one could schedule...ie vs Lake Travis, Allen, Katy, etc.  
     
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from Cat_Scratch in FL vs OOS Top-Ranked Teams - Game Results 2005-2017   
    As I implied earlier, compiling the data was not meant to be an exercise in perfection with strict criteria, and I didn't advertise it as some masterpiece to prove a point.   Sometimes I do things for myself and think "Gee, maybe some others might like to see this."  It's a random set of data.  Take it for what it is.  I don't see too many others idiots like myself posting things for others to enjoy at midnight.  
    All of the FL teams listed above were legitimate state title contenders in the years they were listed, so to consider them "inferior" does not speak well for Florida football.  Concerning Tucker and Stephenson, they are rock solid programs, but not what most GA folks would consider the most worthy of GA teams to deserve a national ranking.     
     I used "loose" criteria to define "top-ranked" OOS competitiors.  Did not include teams that ended the year ranked outside the top 200 on Maxpreps.  Is there better criteria?  I'm sure.  Did I care for the purposes of what I was doing and was I willing to dedicate any more time to the exercise than I already did?  No.  If anyone out there got something out of the data, I am glad I shared it.  
         
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to DisabledAccount in Who Are These North FL Coaches?   
    What do we gain from playing Fort White 
     
    If they somehow win we look weak but if we win it's expected 
     
    We have nothing to gain but everything to lose by playing 
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Floridatech in Vero Beach schedule breakdown   
    It would be real nice in fact if we get em on and beat GC then we can say that we beat all three of the only teams to beat both STA and Armwood in playoff games
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to DisabledAccount in Who Are These North FL Coaches?   
    Bullcrap
     
    It doesn't matter because the game wasn't dropped after 2009 or 2010 game
     
    It was dropped after 2014 game
     
     
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to DB4 in The Enigma of 7A District 16   
    As far as why the district is so weak, there are different reasons for different teams. For instance:
    -Westland is just in an area devoid of talent and the school doesn't really care to have a good football team. God bless their coach, but he's got nothing there
    -Miami Springs consistently has a top 3 team in the district as far as talent, but their coaching isn't strong; and I think they were poached pretty heavy this offseason by other schools for their players
    - Mater and Doral pretty much depend on recruiting and when that doesn't work, you're going to see how they can't do anything (like I think they'll be this year)
    -Mourning has talent, but again not great coaching and their numbers I hear are down
    -Reagan is always gonna be a tough, ground and pound team. Never special, but always well coached. Can't do enough to win the district usually.
    -Goleman has been the same, but they will open it up more this season. Talent is there, if they can put it all together it can be a special season
    -South Miami had a nice season last year, this year they have some big time recruits. But their QB from last year is gone. He made them tick. If they don't have a capable replacement they won't do much. If they do find one, they could contend for the district.
    -Sunset was fairly talented, I hear they lost a lot to graduation. Coaching isn't great to me. Every so often they have a really nice year. I don't see this year being that year though.
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Floridatech in Vero Beach schedule breakdown   
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tcpalm.com/amp/963631002
    Some interesting stuff to look at concerning Vero schedule and one thing to note is that they are on a 43 regular season game winning streak and only 3 teams have had winning seasons last year 
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Pipe Dreams in Toughest Districts in 2018   
    8A-4
    Apopka
    Wekiva
    West Orange
    Evans
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to Pipe Dreams in My Top Large Class Contenders (6A, 7A, 8A)   
    I’m listing around three teams per region with an occasional fourth in loaded areas. I am leaving some good teams off on purpose because it’s a season-end list. All lists are in order. First listed is my favorite. 
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    8A-1: Wekiva, Apopka, Seminole, Winter Park
    8A-2: Dr. Phillips, Osceola, Vero Beach, Sarasota Riverview
    8A-3: Palm Beach Central, Deerfield Beach, Atlantic
    8A-4: Columbus, Southridge, South Dade
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    7A-1: Lake City Columbia, Edgewater, Lee
    7A-2: Lakeland, Plant
    7A-3: Venice
    7A-4: Aquinas, Dwyer
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    6A-1: Niceville, St. Augustine, Crestview
    6A-2: Armwood
    6A-3: Largo, Naples 
    6A-4: Carol City, Central, Northwestern, Mainland
     
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to DisabledAccount in Teams in Each Region Ranked in FL Top 100   
    This is the rankings badbird referring to 
     
    8th- 1A (3.5 reps per week average)
    7th-  2A (3.875 reps per week average)
    6th- 4A  (6.125 reps per week average)
    5th-  3A (6.375 reps per week average)
    4th- 5A  (16.25 reps per week average)
    3rd- 7A  (17.625 reps per week average)
    2nd- 6A  (19.25 reps per week average)
    1st-  8A  (26.625 reps per week average)
     
     
     
    I took a average based on how many per week were ranked in my top 100 during last season 
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to XDC in XDC Florida High School Football Tour: KOC (Miami Central vs. Atlantic + Dwyer vs. Palm Beach Central)   
    Welp. Here we are. First time in over a decade that I won't be in a press box on Friday night.
    In the coming weeks, I hope to satisfy my "Friday Night fix" by taking a tour of the state. While my focus will be on South Florida, I plan on venturing out of the 561 to take in the best matchup of the week. I will be joined by my trusty sidekick, my nine-year-old son. Pictures. Videos. In-game updates. Restaurant and concession stand reviews. We'll have it all, so buckle up!
    Not sure there is any reason to leave Palm Beach County this week. Heck of a slate in the 561. I will be in Delray on Thursday night for Miami Central-Atlantic, and on Friday, I plan to walk across the street for the battle of PBC. Let me know if you will be at either of the two. Would love to grab a burger and talk some ball. 
    XDC
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from 954gator in FL vs Georgia 50 Game Results from 2004-2017   
    Southern and central Georgia, especially the Valdosta and Warner Robins areas, really ruled until the mid-90's.  Then Parview and Brookwood started making noise in Atlanta.  Parkview won 3 titles in a row around 2000, which you just didn't see happening prior in years past.  
    The suburbs north and east of the city exploded and about 10 years ago a lot of the teams we hear about in Georgia today, ie Grayson, started coming on the scene.  South Florida always had great football.  Atlanta didn't, but what has happened there in the past 10 years is extraordinary.  They don't have to worry about losing much talent to private schools.  And unlike south FL, which is locked in by the Everglades, Atlanta can just keep growing since there is lots of open land to the north and east.  
    In a way, the scenario is much like the shift of power in the 90's from north FL southward, except in GA it has been from south to north.     
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to LAZ in Toughest Districts in 2018   
    Here is how I rank District Strength from top to bottom:
    Rk   CL * D 1 ) 6A * 16 2 ) 8A * 4 3 ) 5A * 2 4 ) 6A * 3 5 ) 6A * 1 6 ) 7A * 7 7 ) 5A * 14 8 ) 8A * 16 9 ) 8A * 1 10 ) 7A * 2 11 ) 8A * 14 12 ) 7A * 3 13 ) 5A * 4 14 ) 6A * 2 15 ) 7A * 11 16 ) 5A * 16 17 ) 8A * 3 18 ) 7A * 1 19 ) 8A * 2 20 ) 7A * 10 21 ) 8A * 9 22 ) 7A * 14 23 ) 7A * 9 24 ) 8A * 12 25 ) 6A * 12 26 ) 7A * 12 27 ) 6A * 7 28 ) 5A * 5 29 ) 6A * 4 30 ) 6A * 8 31 ) 8A * 8 32 ) 6A * 15 33 ) 7A * 6 34 ) 5A * 10 35 ) 8A * 5 36 ) 6A * 10 37 ) 5A * 1 38 ) 8A * 7 39 ) 7A * 8 40 ) 6A * 13 41 ) 5A * 6 42 ) 6A * 5 43 ) 5A * 13 44 ) 7A * 4 45 ) 8A * 13 46 ) 7A * 13 47 ) 6A * 11 48 ) 7A * 15 49 ) 5A * 12 50 ) 6A * 6 51 ) 5A * 3 52 ) 6A * 14 53 ) 8A * 6 54 ) 5A * 11 55 ) 8A * 11 56 ) 6A * 9 57 ) 7A * 5 58 ) 5A * 9 59 ) 5A * 15 60 ) 8A * 10 61 ) 5A * 8 62 ) 7A * 16 63 ) 5A * 7 64 ) 8A * 15
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to nolebull813 in Ocala St John Lutheran   
    The FHSAA has no interest because they get a percentage or flat rate for every playoff game. 
    So if they cut 2 classes like they should that would cut 30-60 games a year which is big money. They don't care that the playoffs are watered down and 75 percent of the games are blowouts. 
    Not that it would happen but how cool would it have been to watch the winner of Jax UC/Madison County play the winner of Champagant/Pahokee? 
    I know they changed a little but Jax TC vs Raines for the right to play the winner of Cocoa and Chaminade. 
    These are just examples for the sake of argument. 
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to nolebull813 in 2018 FL vs. OOS Schedule/Results   
    Louisville shouldn't be a pushover. 3A Kemper County came over and beat 5A West Florida. 
    Louisville in one local poll was preseason number 10 in all of Mississippi. So they must have the goods 
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from DarterBlue2 in FL vs OOS Top-Ranked Teams - Game Results 2005-2017   
    It was 51-36 Byrnes over Apopka.  I corrected above.
         
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    OldSchoolLion got a reaction from DarterBlue2 in FL vs OOS Top-Ranked Teams - Game Results 2005-2017   
    As I implied earlier, compiling the data was not meant to be an exercise in perfection with strict criteria, and I didn't advertise it as some masterpiece to prove a point.   Sometimes I do things for myself and think "Gee, maybe some others might like to see this."  It's a random set of data.  Take it for what it is.  I don't see too many others idiots like myself posting things for others to enjoy at midnight.  
    All of the FL teams listed above were legitimate state title contenders in the years they were listed, so to consider them "inferior" does not speak well for Florida football.  Concerning Tucker and Stephenson, they are rock solid programs, but not what most GA folks would consider the most worthy of GA teams to deserve a national ranking.     
     I used "loose" criteria to define "top-ranked" OOS competitiors.  Did not include teams that ended the year ranked outside the top 200 on Maxpreps.  Is there better criteria?  I'm sure.  Did I care for the purposes of what I was doing and was I willing to dedicate any more time to the exercise than I already did?  No.  If anyone out there got something out of the data, I am glad I shared it.  
         
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to DisabledAccount in Duval County Coaches-Who Is Where & How Long?   
    The area has talent
     
    They just end up with 90% of the top talent at a few schools
     
    You speak before about metro consolidated talent to a few schools
     
    Duval is the perfect place to point to when showing that 
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    OldSchoolLion reacted to DarterBlue2 in FL vs OOS Top-Ranked Teams - Game Results 2005-2017   
    I think the final was 51-36 or something like that. It was a one score game, Apopka was driving, then they lost their QB to a hit that damaged his future career. Byrnes scored another touchdown after that, to increase the lead to two scores. 
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