3A after Oxbridge (Summertime stuff)

[SPCjessica2004]

No- he was not. Kiael Kelly, according to Chip Bennett and anybody who has seen him in camp is a national recruit and one of the top rising Sophomore QB's in the Tampa area in some time.  It's a big loss for TC and a huge gain for Jesuit who already has the pieces to field a formidable team this year.

Prior to spring BCP gave TC all-access to their practices and scrimmages. There's some good highlight film of him there, plus he had a good spring outing against Wiregrass Ranch.

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20 minutes ago, peezy28 said:

St. Thomas is..... LOL

St Thomas Aquinas better not overlook Dwyer 

 

This St Thomas Aquinas team may be better than last year but they aren't as good as 2015 or 2016 

 

They still vulnerable 

[OldSchoolLion]

 

15 minutes ago, SPCjessica2004 said:

Chaminade-Madonna is ranked #3 in the entire state of Florida, STA is ranked #2. Make the game happen!

People wanted this game very badly about 15 years ago when Mark Guandolo was at Chaminade-Madonna.  The word on the street was that STA had everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing them.  I guess the thought was that if STA beat Chaminade people would say it was expected and no big deal, but if they lost, it would be an upset.  

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Just now, OldSchoolLion said:

 

People wanted this game very badly about 15 years ago when Mark Guandolo was at Chaminade-Madonna.  The word on the street was that STA had everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing them.  I guess the thought was that if STA beat Chaminade people would say it was expected and no big deal, but if they lost, it would be an upset.  

Plus had that happened then sta might have started losing players to them and it could have hurt sta big time 

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I think people are making a mistake with sta

 

People are ASSUMING that they will just rebound and dominate because they will be hungry, just because it happened in the past don't mean it will happen again 

 

They may have gotten some transfers but they don't have a Sam Bruce or a Joey Bosa on this roster,  they are getting good players but still aren't getting the type of players they were when they were national championship contenders

 

I'm really got a hunch that Dwyer comes out of 7a south not STA 

[SPCjessica2004]

6 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

 

People wanted this game very badly about 15 years ago when Mark Guandolo was at Chaminade-Madonna.  The word on the street was that STA had everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing them.  I guess the thought was that if STA beat Chaminade people would say it was expected and no big deal, but if they lost, it would be an upset.  

This is really ashame, this particular Chaminade-Madonna team has the potential to be a top 10/15 team in America across all the major polls considering where they are starting. I understand it's potential, but if they went undefeated I couldn't see an argument for leaving them out.  This is the type of team STA needs to play.  You have one of the top high school football teams in the world in your own back yard with one of the top S FL coaching staffs, this is the time to flex their muscle.

 

2 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

I think people are making a mistake with sta

 

People are ASSUMING that they will just rebound and dominate because they will be hungry, just because it happened in the past don't mean it will happen again 

 

They may have gotten some transfers but they don't have a Sam Bruce or a Joey Bosa on this roster,  they are getting good players but still aren't getting the type of players they were when they were national championship contenders

 

I'm really got a hunch that Dwyer comes out of 7a south not STA 

I think one of the things that's hurting STA is the dominance of Chaminade. Those great players at Chaminade used to be back-ups at STA, but are now doing their own thing and getting national recognition.  He might have been a wild guy, but when Jason Milgrom rebuilt Chaminade- he knew what he was doing.

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9 minutes ago, SPCjessica2004 said:

This is really ashame, this particular Chaminade-Madonna team has the potential to be a top 10/15 team in America across all the major polls considering where they are starting. I understand it's potential, but if they went undefeated I couldn't see an argument for leaving them out.  This is the type of team STA needs to play.  You have one of the top high school football teams in the world in your own back yard with one of the top S FL coaching staffs, this is the time to flex their muscle.

 

I think one of the things that's hurting STA is the dominance of Chaminade. Those great players at Chaminade used to be back-ups at STA, but are now doing their own thing and getting national recognition.  He might have been a wild guy, but when Jason Milgrom rebuilt Chaminade- he knew what he was doing.

It may be sheer coincidence....or maybe not.... 

STA did not win a state title between 2000-2006...their driest spell since 1990....years Mark Guandolo was at Chaminade.  

Between 2007 and 2011,  STA won 3 state titles, their best stretch to date.  None of the other private schools in Broward were doing anything those years.

 

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33 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

 

People wanted this game very badly about 15 years ago when Mark Guandolo was at Chaminade-Madonna.  The word on the street was that STA had everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing them.  I guess the thought was that if STA beat Chaminade people would say it was expected and no big deal, but if they lost, it would be an upset.  

Sort of Similar to when American Heritage beat Armwood... 

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29 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

I think people are making a mistake with sta

 

People are ASSUMING that they will just rebound and dominate because they will be hungry, just because it happened in the past don't mean it will happen again 

 

They may have gotten some transfers but they don't have a Sam Bruce or a Joey Bosa on this roster,  they are getting good players but still aren't getting the type of players they were when they were national championship contenders

 

I'm really got a hunch that Dwyer comes out of 7a south not STA 

Even if Dwyer does come out of 7A south... STA will dominate 95% of  their games. 

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4 minutes ago, peezy28 said:

Even if Dwyer does come out of 7A south... STA will dominate 95% of  their games. 

Only 3 games on regular season schedule i can see being close are Dematha, Deerfield Beach and Miami Central (note I'm just referring to the 8 games listed on maxpreps, I'm not sure who else they play so if someone knows the full schedule let me know)

 

Then Dwyer and Doral Academy are only 2 teams in the region who could make the game close 

 

What I'm trying to say is that doesn't really say much about sta and truthfully that says more about the rest not being good games

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9 minutes ago, peezy28 said:

Sort of Similar to when American Heritage beat Armwood... 

How did that game happen? My understanding is that the county athletic director won't allow any regular season games against other FL teams

 

Which honestly is why teams like plant and armwood aren't ever prepared for facing good competition when they make it to states

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8 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Only 3 games on regular season schedule i can see being close are Dematha, Deerfield Beach and Miami Central (note I'm just referring to the 8 games listed on maxpreps, I'm not sure who else they play so if someone knows the full schedule let me know)

 

Then Dwyer and Doral Academy are only 2 teams in the region who could make the game close 

 

What I'm trying to say is that doesn't really say much about sta and truthfully that says more about the rest not being good games

That was my point... They are regardless a top 5 or 3 team in 7A if not the top and that is every year... Even with a loss last year teams actually have to beat STA which is no easy task for anyone.  I did not know they were playing Dematha and Central next year though. 

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8 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

How did that game happen? My understanding is that the county athletic director won't allow any regular season games against other FL teams

 

Which honestly is why teams like plant and armwood aren't ever prepared for facing good competition when they make it to states

That is false... See Plant... They go out of state every year... They make you jump through Hoops.  Like A. Have to help the other team your removing from your schedule a game and you have to pay for the trip... County won't fund it at all. 

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6 minutes ago, peezy28 said:

That is false... See Plant... They go out of state every year... They make you jump through Hoops.  Like A. Have to help the other team your removing from your schedule a game and you have to pay for the trip... County won't fund it at all. 

Regardless they are hurting their teams and i doubt the county even cares if they win or not 

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9 minutes ago, peezy28 said:

That was my point... They are regardless a top 5 or 3 team in 7A if not the top and that is every year... Even with a loss last year teams actually have to beat STA which is no easy task for anyone.  I did not know they were playing Dematha and Central next year though. 

They will always be near the top when so few elite teams are in the same class but the assumption that sta will go win 4 straight just because their name is St Thomas Aquinas is nonsense which is what some people assume

 

If they put this talent for St Thomas Aquinas on a random team they would say borderline top 10 in FL but people assume because it has St Thomas Aquinas name that they are best in Florida 

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9 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

How did that game happen? My understanding is that the county athletic director won't allow any regular season games against other FL teams

 

Which honestly is why teams like plant and armwood aren't ever prepared for facing good competition when they make it to states

That is also false... Playing out of state won't necessarily prepare them for games in state... Considering of Armwoods only 3 state titles (only 2 counted because the won in 2011 in the Ineligible Bowl with Central) they only played out of state once (Goreman in 2011) 

For Plant 4 state titles (keep in mind they have played out of state a whole lot

2011 - Played and beat Bergren Catholic (won title)

2006 - Did not play OOS (won title)

2008 - Did not play OOS (won title)

2009 - Did not play OOS (won title)

2010 - played OOS (got waxed by STA IN STATE)

2012 - played OOS (did not make finals)

2013 - played OOS (lost in semis)

2014 - played OOS (did not make finals)

2015 - played OOS (did not make finals)

2016 - played OOS (Against not a very good team) (got waxed by STA IN STATE)

2017 - Did not play OOS

 

There is no correlation to playing out of state and winning a state title for them... If anything when they started that trend titles went away... Would probably help more if they could play in state against competitive teams week over week in an open division instead of playing teams like Leto, Blake, Middleton and neighborhood Rival Robinson. 

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11 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Regardless they are hurting their teams and i doubt the county even cares if they win or not 

County don't care... They have won titles without playing extravagant schedules (Jefferson, Plant, Armwood) and many others have been to the finals as well. 

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3 minutes ago, peezy28 said:

That is also false... Playing out of state won't necessarily prepare them for games in state... Considering of Armwoods only 3 state titles (only 2 counted because the won in 2011 in the Ineligible Bowl with Central) they only played out of state once (Goreman in 2011) 

For Plant 4 state titles (keep in mind they have played out of state a whole lot

2011 - Played and beat Bergren Catholic (won title)

2006 - Did not play OOS (won title)

2008 - Did not play OOS (won title)

2009 - Did not play OOS (won title)

2010 - played OOS (got waxed by STA IN STATE)

2012 - played OOS (did not make finals)

2013 - played OOS (lost in semis)

2014 - played OOS (did not make finals)

2015 - played OOS (did not make finals)

2016 - played OOS (Against not a very good team) (got waxed by STA IN STATE)

2017 - Did not play OOS

 

There is no correlation to playing out of state and winning a state title for them... If anything when they started that trend titles went away... Would probably help more if they could play in state against competitive teams week over week in an open division instead of playing teams like Leto, Blake, Middleton and neighborhood Rival Robinson. 

I never said they had a go oos to face good competition only that playing only Hillsborough teams is holding them back 

 

Team like Lakeland 

 

Team like Apopka

 

Team like Dr Phillips 

 

Team like mainland 

 

 

Those would do huge favors compared to facing only 2 good teams a year (plant vs armwood and plant and armwood vs Tampa Bay Tech)

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8 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

They will always be near the top when so few elite teams are in the same class but the assumption that sta will go win 4 straight just because their name is St Thomas Aquinas is nonsense which is what some people assume

 

If they put this talent for St Thomas Aquinas on a random team they would say borderline top 10 in FL but people assume because it has St Thomas Aquinas name that they are best in Florida 

I am not a betting man... But if I were at the start of every year in Florida HS Football what do you think the Surest bet would be???  STA will make it to or win a state title... That is the surest bet you can make... We are not assuming they will run through the schedule but when you use facts and numbers and past performance that is the surest bet  you could make... I actually did make that Bet with a Planther the year they ended up meeting in the state finals.  I said "STA will win state this year and if they play Plant and win its double bonus for your.....) Plant lost 45-9.  Would have sucked for me if they won I would have had to take him out to Berns (look it up) if I lost LOL.  Instead I got to get a few beers and wings at Lee Roy Selmons.  Safe bet equals low pay out. 

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11 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

They will always be near the top when so few elite teams are in the same class but the assumption that sta will go win 4 straight just because their name is St Thomas Aquinas is nonsense which is what some people assume

 

If they put this talent for St Thomas Aquinas on a random team they would say borderline top 10 in FL but people assume because it has St Thomas Aquinas name that they are best in Florida 

Also... You are on that National board too much you can tell its skewing your mind bro.. .LOL... Take a sabbatical from it.  It will do you some good... 1st IMG now STA. @Zoe Boy See here LOL. 

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Just now, peezy28 said:

County don't care... They have won titles without playing extravagant schedules (Jefferson, Plant, Armwood) and many others have been to the finals as well. 

And when was most recent time that they have a title?  2011?

 

Nobody in Hillsborough is going to prepare Armwood for facing the best team in 6a district 16

 

Nobody in Hillsborough is gonna prepare Plant for playing STA 

 

they need to play more teams outside of the county,  they don't need to leave the state but they do need to leave the county 

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3 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Team like Lakeland 

 

Team like Apopka

 

Team like Dr Phillips 

 

Team like mainland

FYI, other than Mainland they have played and beaten (and lost to) all of the above mentioned teams. 

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4 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

I never said they had a go oos to face good competition only that playing only Hillsborough teams is holding them back 

 

Team like Lakeland 

 

Team like Apopka

 

Team like Dr Phillips 

 

Team like mainland 

 

 

Those would do huge favors compared to facing only 2 good teams a year (plant vs armwood and plant and armwood vs Tampa Bay Tech)

Also there are other good teams in Hillsborough They may not be state level good but there are teams who are good just may not sustain that every year.

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1 minute ago, peezy28 said:

FYI, other than Mainland they have played and beaten (and lost to) all of the above mentioned teams. 

That don't mean that they wouldn't benefit from playing them DURING THE SEASON 

 

Most of plant vs lakeland games have come in the playoffs, i don't remember last time armwood played lakeland 

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Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

And when was most recent time that they have a title?  2011?

 

Nobody in Hillsborough is going to prepare Armwood for facing the best team in 6a district 16

 

Nobody in Hillsborough is gonna prepare Plant for playing STA 

 

they need to play more teams outside of the county,  they don't need to leave the state but they do need to leave the county 

No one in the state will prepare Armwood for playing a 6A south champ other than... The 6A south teams in that Miami district.

 

No team on the Planet will prepare Anyone for playing a fully loaded STA team... I give the coaching edge to Plant staff yet in 2 state title games they have lost a combined 74-14.  Sometimes it just don't matter.