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Aww damn!!! I was wondering why there was no reply back. I was actually a lil excited.

I agree 100% with this. Depends on the location and administration's commitment to football. When Miami Booker T Washington reopened in 1999 it was an instant football power because the majority of their students come from the Overtown area of Miami. It reopened to help relieve the overcrowded Miami High. As soon as Booker T reopened, all the athletes went there and Miami High football has never been the same. So I agree that location is everything for a starting program.

That is embarrassingly terrible. Holy smokes. That's insane that one of these teams will be in a state semi final.

2018 est TOTAL PUBLIC PRIVATE County Population Titles Runner Up Appearances Titles Runner Up Appearances Titles Runner Up Appearances Category Dade 2,751,796 38.5 22 61 34.5 12 47 4 10 14 Super 1,000,000 and up Palm Beach 1,471,150 30 31 61 18 14 32 12 17 29 Broward 1,935,878 27 24 51 6 9 15 21 15 36 Hillsborough 1,408,566 11 21 32 10 17 27 1 4 5 Orange 1,348,975 6.5 9 16 4.5 7 12 2 2 4 Duval 937,934 31 17 48 4 7 11 27 10 37 Extra Lg 500,000 to 999,999 Polk 686,483 17 24 41 15 22 37 2 2 4 Brevard 589,162 14 7 21 14 7 21 0 0 0 Pinellas 970,637 0 10 10 0 5 5 0 5 5 Volusia 538,692 1 4 5 1 1 2 0 3 3 Lee 739,224 0 3 3 0 1 1 0 2 2 Pasco 525,643 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 Escambia 313,512 12 7 19 12 6 18 0 1 1 Large 300,000 to 499,999 Manatee 385,571 8 6 14 8 6 14 0 0 0 Marion 354,353 6 4 10 4 2 6 2 2 4 Collier 372,880 3 3 6 3 3 6 0 0 0 Sarasota 419,119 3 3 6 2 3 5 1 0 1 Lake 346,017 1 5 6 1 5 6 0 0 0 Osceola 352,180 1 4 5 1 4 5 0 0 0 Seminole 462,659 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 St.Lucie 313,506 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Leon 290,292 21 11 32 13 8 21 8 3 11 Medium 150,000 to 299,999 Okaloosa 202,970 8 8 16 8 8 16 0 0 0 St.Johns 243,812 4 6 10 4 6 10 0 0 0 Alachua 266,944 4 4 8 4 4 8 0 0 0 Bay 183,563 1 4 5 1 4 5 0 0 0 Santa Rosa 174,272 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Clay 212,230 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Indian River 154,383 1 1 2 1 0 1 0 1 1 Charlotte 182,033 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Hernando 186,553 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Martin 159,923 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sumter 125,165 2 3 5 2 3 5 0 0 0 Small 50,000 to 149,999 Highlands 102,883 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Columbia 69,612 1 2 3 1 2 3 0 0 0 Putnam 73,464 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Walton 68,376 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Monroe 77,013 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Citrus 145,647 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Flagler 110,510 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nassau 82,721 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Hendry 40,347 0.5 6 7 0.5 6 7 0 0 0 Minature 20,000 to 49,999 Suwannee 44,190 4 2 6 4 2 6 0 0 0 Jackson 48,330 2 3 5 2 3 5 0 0 0 Wakulla 32,120 2 3 5 2 3 5 0 0 0 Bradford 27,038 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Levy 40,355 1 2 3 1 2 3 0 0 0 Hardee 27,411 0 3 3 0 3 3 0 0 0 Gadsden 46,071 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Taylor 21,833 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Baker 28,283 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Washington 24,567 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 DeSoto 36,862 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Okeechobee 41,605 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Madison 18,449 4 5 9 4 5 9 0 0 0 Tiny 1 to 19,999 Gulf 16,160 4 3 7 4 3 7 0 0 0 Calhoun 14,483 3 3 6 3 3 6 0 0 0 Jefferson 14,144 5.5 0 6 5.5 0 6 0 0 0 Union 15,517 3 2 5 3 2 5 0 0 0 Gilchrist 17,743 2 1 3 2 1 3 0 0 0 Holmes 19,558 1 2 3 1 2 3 0 0 0 Lafayette 8,451 1 1 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 Hamilton 14,184 0 2 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 Franklin 11,727 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 Dixie 16,673 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Glades 13,754 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 Liberty 8,242 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0

Venice is still gonna lose

The game is being played at Venice again so the score will be just a wee but closer

Wow!! Thank you!

Actually Miami Central was dropped so they could schedule mater dei that week

I said maybe. I'm not a troll, I just dont use this site 24/7 because I have a life. I hope you realize that the reason I say this is because the IMG rematch with Miami Central was scheduled to happen LAST YEAR but IMG dropped them in favor of playing Superior Collegiate. They knew MC was going to beat them. No disrespect just facts. I'm not a coach and I really have no control over who plays who but the conditions are right for IMG to play MC this year.

I would expect new schools to struggle generally at the higher levels and have more success at the lower levels. So a brand new 4A school (after 2 years of being independent), I would expect to do better in their district than say a 6A school and a 6A to do better than an 8A school. I would expect this because of depth issues. In 8A, you just need more depth than a 4A school. I have no data, just an opinion. Just curious, but does this problem show up in other sports or just football. Is football the program that needs a larger community support to create winning programs than say volleyball or soccer?

i know 3 guys that was on the staff the 1st year and 1 that is still there. their first season, was ran by a coach that had never been a head guy before. not an issue, but im not sure if he had ever been a coordinator either. the words I got from a couple of guys was, each week they put in a new offense because they couldnt score. 1 week lets run spread pass, air raid. 0 points, scrap it and monday were installing the wishbone, 0 points, now lets run the wing t, nope no points, empty qb single wing read option, negative points that week. a brand new school, pulling from some local powerhouses, should be hiring a coach that has some history as the guy in charge. scoring all but 3 points wouldnt have been a major eyesore if the kids got better weekly and you could see some type of idenity coming out. now 2 of those guys are not on staff anymore. they both told me it was a set up job to begin with, hire someone who will fall flat on his face and watch the current guy(who was AD and hired him) take over and they get some wins and he is the savior. but, you know how disgruntled former coaches are, new schools should be independent for the first 2 years, unless its in the middle of a cycle, go independent, then put them in a district. part 2 of that is, a brand new school is already 7a? 8a? thats insane. thats poor planning on the powers that be. so the schools they took from, did they drop a class? if the answer is no, thats a problem in itself. school was way too big and overcrowded. west orange was 45-4700 when they split, they didnt drop a class, 2k kids from them went to windermere(which the community did not want btw) and they pull another few from olympia and its full. didnt build to projections (west orange county is BOOMING), built to relieve 1 school, for the most part. windermere is now 8a...

You are a clown. What is funny is you clowned vero boy all year. let me guess this game vs Columbia will propel them to a state title

Hagerty actually has a chance. The new HBC was formerly at Oviedo (Hagerty was opened to relieve Oviedo). I could actually see them being competitive in the district with Winter Park. It would not be too much of a stretch.

Very good at soccer. In football, they did have a coach a few years ago, who seemed to be taking them down the right path. Then that ended and they were back to square one ... Celebration is kind of a Disney creation, an upper middle class community. I don't necessarily think the parents want Johnny to get banged up playing football.

Venice has scheduled IMG and Cocoa for the 2019 season Columbia will be playing Vero Beach IMG vs Mater Dei rematch in Florida Maybe a Miami Central vs IMG rematch

According to the head coach at Venice

The problem is that over the past 25 years we stuck brand new schools in with tenured programs and they have years of losing under their belts and deeply entrenched cultures of losing. And I 'm not talking just a few teams. I'm talking 75-100-see my thread on this. This is a systemic problem. A very small percentage of teams that have opened over the past 25 years have been successful...a very disproportionate number. That is a fact. Many of these programs are not scheduling over their heads and are struggling just in district play. Look at some of the schedules of the teams in the aforementioned post and you'll see. No doubt some of these programs can do some things to help themselves. But there are so many for which I think it unreasonable to think they are going to be able to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps without any intervention, especially in today's world of transfers. It's no coincidence a number of newer Miami-Dade schools in upper classes just went independent. Can you imagine what it is like to coach a new program against Miami-Dade competition? Imagine what it's like trying to keep any decent players in a place like Miami when you have won 1 game in 3 years. Easy for us to tell them just to "buck up buttercup." Our world was not in crisis because of the previous playoff system. We implemented that "gimmick" to appease some folks, plain and simple. At the end of the day, that playoff system is really only addressing a relative few number of bubble teams who had a gripe under the old system. The problem I am discussing affects a lot of programs and it is not a "nice to" issue to address IMO. Like I said in another post, we have to think outside the box. If a relegation system is not the best answer, fine. But I don't think we can afford to be paralyzed by perfection or just back up and punt on this issue. If we don't act, we are going to have another 75-100 teams in 25 years who cannot compete. Most importantly, I fear our current state of affairs is going to cause less and less "average" kids to be interested in coming out for football because they won't want to play for a terrible team and know they won't stand a chance of playing on the better teams. In other words, just as our middle class is disappearing in America, I think we will see a disappearing middle class in high school football without intervention.