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One of the reasons the old district champ and district runner up model worked in Florida is due to the fact you could reschedule a district game instead of another and just erase the non district game when bad weather hit.  You had to beat your competition head to head and not count on some secret half butt formula from Maxpreps and Fhsaa.  Cons were loaded district with 3 awesome teams and then the dreaded 2 or 3 team district. Wild cards in old days helped the one issue.

Bingo Dr. D. You are soooo right. FHSAA will not care unless mass exodus. We can come up with a million reform ideas but enrollment based is easiest for the FHSAA and not going anywhere. 

I am saying that the gainesville area coaches this guy spoke to hate new idea because they liked being separate and in easy division. Coca never backs down from tough competition as everyone has seen by your schedule and success in entire state. 

I am saying that the gainesville area coaches this guy spoke to hate new idea because they liked being separate and in easy division. Coca never backs down from tough competition as everyone has seen by your schedule and success in entire state. 

Of course it was done by a suburb area newspaper. Teams loved  avoiding south Florida talent. 

If open idea is dead, switch back to 6 divisions. 

Just checkout a couple years ago when a ton of Lake Gibson's starters transferred out to another program after being runner ups at state. They were already at a super successful program and bam  recruited to another and gone. 

Your idea makes wayyyyyyyy too much sense for FHSAA board. They will do nothing and just go back to old model and ignore the recruiting issue as always. Wild west boys, if you want to be great in Florida football, you have to be college recruiters. Go cheat like Winter Park did a few years ago ago and pay some rent and give some $100 handshakes coaches. They got to use the players for the playoffs and only had them suspended for 5 regular season games. That was an obvious cheating rewarded. So you think FHSAA is actually going to stop the transfer recruiting. What a farce. 
 
https://www.clickorlando.com/sports/2018/08/23/winter-park-high-school-football-players-ineligible-after-faked-documentation-uncovered/#:~:text=WINTER PARK%2C Fla.,High School this school year.

Just checkout a couple years ago when a ton of Lake Gibson's starters transferred out to another program after being runner ups at state. They were already at a super successful program and bam  recruited to another and gone. 

Sure. Just take a picture of all the state champions in the metro division and a few of the suburban rosters. and see how many players came from other schools or were supposed to go to other schools. They all recruit. Illegal thus a form of cheating. In order to be an elite team in Florida, you must get elite talent and the only way is to break the rule and recruit. Or you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and say that does not in our state. 

Sure. Just take a picture of all the state champions in the metro division and a few of the suburban rosters. and see how many players came from other schools or were supposed to go to other schools. They all recruit. Illegal thus a form of cheating. In order to be an elite team in Florida, you must get elite talent and the only way is to break the rule and recruit. Or you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and say that does not in our state. 

Sure. Just take a picture of all the state champions in the metro division and a few of the suburban rosters. and see how many players came from other schools or were supposed to go to other schools. They all recruit. Illegal thus a form of cheating. In order to be an elite team in Florida, you must get elite talent and the only way is to break the rule and recruit. Or you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and say that does not in our state. 

Send link to the cheating so I can submit to the FHSAA please 

I said from day 1 that the suburb division (which is crap anyway because the leaders cherry picked which counties they wanted to be in Metro and suburb with some bs population density ) was the minor league even though they have some major league programs like Lakeland and Venice. They sold us a bill of goods about parity for suburb schools but only helped a few awesome semi finalist become champs. Rest of metro schools got screwed. 

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semi finals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a  huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. 
Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to  the recruiting problem. 
 
Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.
Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last years state game
Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get  good.   
 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs.Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m.. 
Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. HawthorneDec.  Madison should be in 3 M
 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 
.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine-  these teams were state semi-finalsts regularly before break up and both won state before. 
Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even Fanduel would not post odds on it. 
 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semi finals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a  huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. 
Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to  the recruiting problem. 
 
Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.
Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last years state game
Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get  good.   
 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs.Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m.. 
Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. HawthorneDec.  Madison should be in 3 M
 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 
.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine-  these teams were state semi-finalsts regularly before break up and both won state before. 
Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even Fanduel would not post odds on it. 
 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semi finals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a  huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. 
Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to  the recruiting problem. 
 
Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.
Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last years state game
Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get  good.   
 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs.Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m.. 
Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. HawthorneDec.  Madison should be in 3 M
 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 
.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine-  these teams were state semi-finalsts regularly before break up and both won state before. 
Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even Fanduel would not post odds on it. 
 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semi finals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a  huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. 
Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to  the recruiting problem. 
 
Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.
Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last years state game
Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get  good.   
 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs.Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m.. 
Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. HawthorneDec.  Madison should be in 3 M
 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 
.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine-  these teams were state semi-finalsts regularly before break up and both won state before. 
Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even Fanduel would not post odds on it. 
 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

https://www.naplesnews.com/videos/sports/high-school/football/2023/11/25/highlights-dunbar-stuns-naples-behind-kelby-tyres-kickoff-return-touchdown/71700509007/
I may not be a rocket scientist, but who kicks the ball deep with 10 seconds to play to a d-1 prospect? I don't like to blame refs or coaches for losses but this ending is hard not to put on the head coach . geez. a squib kick to a team that does not have an elite kicker seem obvious. Tough way to get knocked out of the playoffs. Mainland would have beaten them anyway probably but losing this way in not fun. 
 

https://www.naplesnews.com/videos/sports/high-school/football/2023/11/25/highlights-dunbar-stuns-naples-behind-kelby-tyres-kickoff-return-touchdown/71700509007/
I may not be a rocket scientist, but who kicks the ball deep with 10 seconds to play to a d-1 prospect? I don't like to blame refs or coaches for losses but this ending is hard not to put on the head coach . geez. a squib kick to a team that does not have an elite kicker seem obvious. Tough way to get knocked out of the playoffs. Mainland would have beaten them anyway probably but losing this way in not fun. 
 

https://www.naplesnews.com/videos/sports/high-school/football/2023/11/25/highlights-dunbar-stuns-naples-behind-kelby-tyres-kickoff-return-touchdown/71700509007/
I may not be a rocket scientist, but who kicks the ball deep with 10 seconds to play to a d-1 prospect? I don't like to blame refs or coaches for losses but this ending is hard not to put on the head coach . geez. a squib kick to a team that does not have an elite kicker seem obvious. Tough way to get knocked out of the playoffs. Mainland would have beaten them anyway probably but losing this way in not fun. 
 

Administration has to be the rock of any solid football program and it seems that that school has been a disaster in football over the years and you actully made it matter and they quit on the program. sad for players.

Administration has to be the rock of any solid football program and it seems that that school has been a disaster in football over the years and you actully made it matter and they quit on the program. sad for players.

Lake Mary dominated most of the game and it took a crazy last 6 minutes for the noles to win. Nice job and guts but doubt it happens again. Usually, the team that dominates most of a game wins. I have no dog in the fight, but anyone who can beat APK like that must be pretty darn good and put 70 up on Dr. Phillips.

open enrollment and transfers for academic reasons is not the problem here.  Its recruiting and transfers for athletic reasons. Since our state association has zero power to rule them ineligible and even if they did, the state and courts would overturn it, we need to promote and demote. Period