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Just curious, how are they already playing basketball games? FHSAA website says Oct. 30 is the first practice date. Are these just AAU teams whose rosters likely will bear a striking resemblance to the rosters of the two high school teams once basketball season officially starts?
As an aside, "teams" practicing and playing basketball games in October sure does make it difficult on those guys currently playing football who also want to play basketball. I don't think Monteverde has football, so it probably doesn't matter to them. But I suspect there may be a kid or two on the Columbus football roster that also wants to play hoops this year. And that undoubtedly will be the case with other/smaller schools across the state.
Not trying to put a damper on Columbus' team or its national title aspirations - just trying to keep everything in perspective.
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20 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
This coming week is gonna be tough. I want the posters who pick every week to come up with one game to be in the pick em. Please don’t waste it on a mismatch. Darter can I put you down for Apk/LM?
TBT vs. Jesuit
(and/or, if you want to wait until next week, TBT vs. Armwood for the district championship).
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2 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
I've got to run to a meeting, but watched the end of this on 2x speed. CAI won in one of the most improbable finishes ever. It appears they took a page out of the STA-Cocoa playbook and took advantage of grossly incompetent officiating. I'll rewatch at normal speed to confirm later.
Oh, lord, did you really just question the officiating? Without referencing the specific plays in question by quarter, down-and-distance, and time-stamp? And without providing your resume or C.V. to establish your qualifications to form an opinion on something so inherently difficult to understand as officiating?
Well, I think we all know how this one's going to play out.
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16 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
This is my peptalk for Dillard tonight.
Offense. I want you to bang these boys and let them know they are in a football game!!!!! Ground and pound. Air it out. All gas, no breaks!!!!
Defense. KILL EVERYTHING MOVING!!!!!!
I hope this is your pep talk for the team and not the fans.
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Booker T
In the "Miami vs Central Norland" match-up, if I go with "Central Norland" do I get credit for the correct pick regardless of who wins? (In anticipation of a negative response, I'll go with the only 2 loss team I can ever recall seeing in MaxPrep's National Top 10 Rankings - Miami Central)
WaltonSeminole
Lowndes
Benjamin
OC University
Olympia
Golden Gate
Jax TCA
Plantation
Escambia
Gripe for the day: Two Pensacola/Fort Walton beach games, and a Fort Myers/Valdosta game, but nothing from the Tampa Bay area. Riverview (6-0) vs. Sumner (6-1) would have made for a good pick. Even Plant vs. Plant City. OK, gripe over.
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20 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
John Peery,
Former editor of the local weekly Apopka Chief, passed away today. John wrote all of the sports articles in the Chief, and was always on the sidelines of Apopka football games. And though he retired a year ago, he continued to write his articles and cover Apopka football from the sidelines. We last exchanged pleasantries at the Pancake Supper and Pep Rally before the Edgewater game three weeks ago. I ragged on him a bit for picking Edgewater to win by 7 points and suggested that the Darters could pull the game off. Little did either of us know the shellacking we were about to take.
Last Friday John was on the sidelines when our kicker nailed a 43 yard field goal to win as time expired in dramatic fashion. John, who was am ample man, literally leapt for joy.
Though I don't count myself as a personal friend, for the past 25 years, his weekly articles have been a staple in my life.
I am sure all Apopka fans will agree with me that John was the epitome of what it meant to be a Blue Darter. John graduated in the class of 1973, and his daughter graduated from Apopka several years after my two boys did over a decade ago.
I don't know if John ever posted on this message board, but he used to post on the old Florida Varsity Football Central board back in the day.
In addition to Apopka football, John was an ardent fan of Tennessee football.
He will be greatly missed.
Darter, it sounds like you can count him as a friend or, at the very least, an acquaintance. Either way, my condolences for your loss.
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25 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
They were a school decades before they had a football team. At what point did they need a football team to survive as a school?
Per their own website, CAI was founded in 1984. Per Wikipedia, CAI was formed in 1997 when three schools (Jefferson Academy, A to Be School and Renaissance Academy )all merged. My guess is that they are using the 1984 foundation date of whichever one of those three schools was founded first. In any event, they started 6-man football in 2008, 7-man in 2012, 8-man in 2014 or 15 and 11 man in 2016.
Clearly there was a school before there was football. And I suspect there would be a school even if they stopped playing football . . . but the composition of the small student body would change significantly.
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20 hours ago, Perspective said:
So how does a game against CAI factor into another teams power index/ranking?
I'm separating this question out from a prior post to see if anyone knows the answer. Is CAI treated like any other school for purposes of ranking FHSAA teams?
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1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:
The real question you should be asking is how is IMG a sanctioned member of the FHSAA when they openly recruit and board kids for the sole purpose to play high school football.
I have asked that question many times (on this site and others). It just doesn't make sense to me.
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13 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
They are not associated with the FHSAA in any way
So, if they're not associated with the FHSAA and they don't have to play by FHSAA rules, why are they playing teams that are associated and do play by FHSAA rules? If memory serves me correct, when a Florida team wants to play an out-of-state game, they can only play against teams that are part of an official state athletic association. Why is it any different for playing a team in state?
So, CAI can recruit. They can provide housing for athletes. They don't have to meet academic requirements. There is no age limit. Essentially, it's a remote Canadian all-star team playing down here where the weather is nice and playing against teams that can't do any of those things. So how does a game against CAI factor into another teams power index/ranking?
Serious question: can Bradford High School schedule a game against the Raiford Prison All-Star Team (it would probably need to be an away game for BHS)?
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11 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Agreed. Excellent article. Explains a lot.
Two things that jump out at me: first, it appears that there is a guy up in Canada "sending" kids down to CAI. That could be problematic. Second, housing is being provided for the football players. Arguably, housing is being provided for all international students . . . but if my math is right, approximately 20% of the entire 250-student population are international students. That's about 50 kids. The football team has 46 kids on their roster (per MaxPreps). Now, not all of the kids who play football are international, but perhaps the majority are? All I know is that the FHSAA has come down hard on schools in the past if they find out that kids who play football are living with non-family members (a la The Blind Side).
In any event, it appears that CAI has carved out a nice little niche and kids from elsewhere (primarily Canada) who might not otherwise get noticed are getting the opportunity to go to college for free. That's great for those kids. And I'll leave it at that.
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46 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
The people criticizing them usually don’t know one thing about the school or even met someone with firsthand knowledge that can testify on their behalf. Just internet rumors, message board goobers, and trolls who can’t handle anything other than the status quo. And for the life of me I will never understand why someone making a decision that’s best for them and their family upsets random obscure strangers who have no skin in the game
Nolebull,
Here's my perspective. I don't have any problem with kids/families making decisions that are best for them and best for their futures. Quite frankly, every parent should be doing everything within their power/control/means to create the best opportunities for their kids - whether they play sports or not.
But, when it comes time to start talking about high school sports, teams should be on an even playing field when it comes to the rules that each school must play by. Over time, certain schools will flourish because of a multitude of factors (coaching, athletic talent of the kids who attend a particular school, amenities, past success, etc.) and other schools will fail. If the schools are not playing by the same rules, they ought not to be competing against each other for the same rewards.
I know very little about CAI. However, just like when IMG started playing football, I have great difficulty comprehending how or why a large number of athletically-inclined kids from around the globe all of a sudden decide to start attending this small school (250 kids in K-12) in Clearwater, Florida that, oh, by the way, has visible ties to a "church" or "religion" that has been under scrutiny for quite some time (i.e. Scientology). How does this happen without someone, somehow, aggressively pursuing these kids in a way that likely violates FHSAA rules?
Again, I don't blame the kids or their families for trying to do what's best for them. And if attending CAI is what's best, that's what they should do. My problem is not with kids and their families. My problem is with schools that don't play by the rules.
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53 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
They focus on international players.
So, I ask my question again: how are they 'focusing' on international players? How are kids from around the globe finding out about and developing an interest in attending CAI? I'm genuinely curious.
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1 hour ago, DarterBlue2 said:
That is an excellent question. Do these kids pay tuition and if they do, and the school is as small as has been posted here, how are the costs covered? It would take the kids of multimillionaires to cover the costs of maintaining such a school with such a small student base.
"The school receives public funding through voucher and tax credit scholarship programs as per a 2017 Huffington Post investigation where it was disclosed the school received more than $500,000 in taxpayer money for student scholarships between 2012–2016."
(compliments of Wikipedia)
- Founded in 1984
- Serves grades Preschool through 12th Grade, starting at age 2
- Open all year and enrolling year-round
- Current enrollment is 250
- 7 to 1 student-to-facutly ratio
- Over 50 international students
- Over 23 countries represented
(compliments of CAI's own website)
TUITION
Annual Tuition – $13,345.00
International Annual Tuition – $16,800.00
(also from CAI's website)
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Just curious . . . how does a small school in Pinellas County, Florida, go about attracting kids from Canada and Europe?
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2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
@Perspective you have 5 more minutes to get your picks in starting 5 minutes ago.
Everyone else, Thursday by 6 please
I'm back in town, but swamped. So, I'll have my picks to you by Saturday noon (and I promise I won't look at any of the scores from Friday night).
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5 minutes ago, SportsFan said:
They could have kept the RPI formula for seeding and wild cards but districts should be decided on the field
I generally agree.
Quick question: how would you handle two-team and three-team ties? Head-to-head ? This would work for a two-team tie, but what about those situations where A beats B, B beats C and C beats A? If both/all the teams would otherwise make the playoffs, we're only talking about seeding (but it could be the difference between getting a 4 seed and hosting a game vs. getting the 8th seed and playing the number 1 seed on the road). But there could also be situations where only the district winner makes the playoffs and the other one or two teams would not. I think I'd rather see a 1-quarter playoff on a Monday than have the 'who makes the playoffs and who doesn't' decision left to the computers.
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On 10/7/2023 at 10:44 AM, nolebull813 said:
How should we do the pick ems to decide the champion?
1. Add up the regular season and playoff totals combined to see who has the most overall wins
2. Take the 8 highest posters from the regular season and whoever has the most playoff wins, wins it all
3. 10 posters go into the playoffs and every round the bottom 2 get eliminated until there are only 2 posters left for the state finals.
Personally, I think we ought to just call it a day and end the season now.
Oh, and any tiebreakers should be decided by who got their picks in the earliest this past week.
All kidding aside, my only concern with 2 and 3 is that the regular season results become meaningless (aside from "making the playoffs"). There's no reward for regular season performance - no home-field advantage, if you will. (Perhaps you could spot the higher seed with one point to serve as the tie-breaker). Yeah, yeah, I know that probably won't fly with the rest of the group, but that's what happens when you try to come up with a solution midway through the season; folks have a way of voting based on what's beneficial to them when the vote is cast. Kinda like Congress.
At the end of the day, I don't really care. I've just got to hope my guessing streak and my lucky 'flipping quarter' continue to pay dividends for me.
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I'm headed out of town bright and early tomorrow morning and will be out the rest of the week with questionable Internet service/availability, so, much to my chagrin, I've got to get my picks in early. I'll miss out on those last-minute injury updates, suspensions, etc. Nevertheless, here are my picks (subject to change on Sunday when I text NoleBull . . . apparently that's a thing):
Norland (Thursday)
Cocoa
Carrollwood Day
Miami Palmetto
Jesuit
Venice
South Sumter
American Heritage Plantation
Palm Beach Central
Titusville
For Cribboy, I'll take Western and the 90 points for 500 Dollars (real or Monopoly - your choice).
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
Maybe 50
Do I hear 60?
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12 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
Josh forgot his picks because he was swamped but this is what he texted me.
Cocoa
Lake Mary
Seminole
Newman
CCC
AHP
Armwood
Venice
TC
Florida High… all of these games I had picks based on my live shows from Tuesday except Armwood So I am going off thatMultiple choice response:
A. Aren't we all swamped?
B. Was that text sent this morning?
C. So, the guy who runs the website had time to text you, but not the time to type the same team names into the thread?
D. OK, cool.
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Why does anyone need a gun at a football game?
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Sumner got beat by Durant last night. 28-27.
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Week 9 pick ems (Thursday game)
in The Huddle
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Julian, do you play Fantasy Football? Talk about something that will change the way you watch football games on Sundays (and Thursday and Monday nights). You won't care less about whether a team wins or loses, as long as the WR on one of the teams can get you at least 6 catches, 80 yards and a TD.