ExplorerHomer2

This is everything.
Every post from this guy is a poorly veiled passive aggressive quip. He's egotistical and unapologetically abrasive on nearly every comment. In short, he is a dick.

At least 5 other members of the forum seem to appreciate and most importantly not feel intimidated by my comments. Sorry for your singular fragility. You should see someone about it.

At least 5 other members of the forum seem to appreciate and most importantly not feel intimidated by my comments. Sorry for your singular fragility. You should see someone about it.

This is everything.
Every post from this guy is a poorly veiled passive aggressive quip. He's egotistical and unapologetically abrasive on nearly every comment. In short, he is a dick.

At least 5 other members of the forum seem to appreciate and most importantly not feel intimidated by my comments. Sorry for your singular fragility. You should see someone about it.

This is everything.
Every post from this guy is a poorly veiled passive aggressive quip. He's egotistical and unapologetically abrasive on nearly every comment. In short, he is a dick.

What makes you qualified to critique and rate the officiating, ExplorerHomer2? 

I don't know about supervisor. But I do know I am your superior. BTW, I also know you are an insecure, unpleasant person though I have never met you in person. 

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Great breakdown Explorer, from a non bias view point thank you. You pointed out something I’ve been wondering as well, these penalties especially the punt return, were they the players in frame or somewhere else. I wish the refs could be mic’d up and call out the numbers for the players they are calling the infractions on. If it was the guy who tripped during the punt then yes that’s a horrible call, but the frame doesn’t show the whole field. I’d be curious to know if NW had any type of videotape or YouTube channel to watch and see if there were different angles. Thank you again!
Here’s a screenshot for anyone curious of the punt, this is all you saw when the flag (circled) comes into play. The NW player did NOT block in the back the Vero player stumbled. It’s at the 2 hour, 1 minute and 38 second part of the YouTube video.
 
https://imgur.com/a/jWCClNc
 

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

12 brought an automatic impact. I think they want adrian #11 to get film so he can have senior year film as he plans to attend auburn, but yea leon strawder #12 is the game changer. only a sophomore as is most the team but has the ability to be one of the best in south florida going forward. Im excited about the future. 

My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call  on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call  around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.
Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators. 
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
 
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6 
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some  defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting. 
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hey @VeniceIndianFan!  Where are you man?  I'm just making sure you're okay after last night.  No one wants to start the season with a loss.  I know I don't.  However, there's plenty of season left and it's best to take the lumps early and improve from that.  I'm speaking for myself too, lol.  

Before it gets taken down

People have too high of expectations for HS refs.  They aren't full time refs and it's just a side hustle so you shouldn't expect NFL level refs (which everyone seems to hate on anyway, ironically).  The refs actually see more than you think and don't call half the stuff they could call to keep the game moving, especially in the area of holding.  When I work the chains I'm always talking to the side judge and many times they are cool and tell me things they see and let go.  This gave me a new appreciation for their tough job. 
Now the only time I get ticked at the refs is when they pick on one team for whatever reason that may be.   Take for instance a game I attended tonight, they called a puzzling unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for a DB making the incomplete signal on one team but didn't call it on the other team when they did it.  They also called 4 other unsportsmanlike conduct calls on the same team with zero called on the other team.  One sided.  I just want consistency in their calls.

Intentions matter. If the nickname in question pokes fun at a student’s weight, height, race, creed, religion, ethnicity, and such. This is wrong and the ringleader must be stopped. Whatever consequences are appropriate for something like this are debatable, but I don’t believe an endearing nickname like “Flash,” “brain,” or “bulldozer” that some kids wear as a badge of honor for excellence in some ability, ought to be punished or viewed as inherently damaging. 

Keeping my hands off of the political undertones in this thread, I will say that anyone who would fire a football coach or harshly punish them in some way for giving a silly nickname to a football player needs to grow a damn spine and leave their bed at some point to encounter the world we live in. Goodness. 

I'm trying, Darter.  I really am. 

There’s a huge difference. All of their players are coming from Canada and Europe with the exception of a very few. Their whole operation is based on international players. Hence Clearwater Academy International. 
 
A lot of players who come down are physically gifted but still raw to the game of American football because they haven’t been exposed to it at the same level kids here have. I highly doubt the little league football programs in Canada, Germany and Italy are operating like they do here if they even have them. 
 
This team doesn’t hide who they are. They operate this way, and the coaches and AD’s who feel comfortable schedule them do, and the ones who don’t, don’t. 

Decent games and picks. I am mostly in agreement but have the following differences: 1. The MNW vs VB game will be a lot closer and I think 7 or less will be the margin of victory. I am not sure which team to pick given the game is at VB and the Bulls lost a key offensive player. 2. I believe Gorman will keep the Central game much closer, though I expect Central wins  3. I know Norland is loaded, but playing at Lakeland is always tough, and Polk officials are flag happy. I am going to take Lakeland by 1. 

Central did win a poll last year. National HSFB.com. Rather people acknowledge it or not, it did happen and is a part of the composite poll used to average team rankings nationality. MC got a piece of the pie. And sometimes that's all you need.