The Numbers Behind the Dropoff of Broward County Public Schools

[OldSchoolLion]

Below are the combined records of Broward County public and private schools over the past three seasons.   Due to the sheer number of public schools in the county as well as the large number of competitive private school programs, Broward public schools face a substantial challenge.    

BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Boyd Anderson 20-10 (4-5 last season)

Coconut Creek 8-19

Cooper City 12-19

Coral Glades 9-20

Coral Springs 11-19

Cypress Bay 15-14 (5-4 last season)

Deerfield Beach 28-8 (8-3 last season)

Dillard 18-15 (6-6 last season)

Douglas 17-13 (6-4 last season)

Ely 7-23

Everglades 9-24

Flanagan 22-15 (1-10 last season)

Fort Lauderdale 11-23

Hallandale 17-16 (3-7 last season)

Hollywood Hills 7-21

McArthur 19-13 (1-9 last season)

Miramar 22-11 (9-2 last season)

Monarch 11-17

Northeast 4-26

Nova 15-18

Piper 20-13  (1-9 last season)

Plantation 19-13 (9-2 last season)

Pompano Beach 11-19

South Broward 12-18

South Plantation 7-25

Stranahan 12-19

Taravella 8-22

West Broward 20-13 (8-3 last season)

Western 22-12 (10-3 last season)

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 29 PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABOVE 413-498     13/29 have winning records 

 

BROWARD COUNTY PRIVATE SCHOOLS 

Archbishop McCarthy 28-6

Cardinal Gibbons 24-10

Coral Springs Charter 20-11

Chaminade-Madonna 28-10

North Broward Prep 23-10

Pine Crest 20-12

St Thomas Aquinas 38-6

University 24-9

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 9 PRIVATE SCHOOLS ABOVE 205-74

 

...for comparison

Hillsborough County has 26 public schools with 3 main private schools(Berkeley, Catholic and Jesuit) competing for talent

Miami-Dade County has 35 public schools with 7 main private schools (Belen, Champagnat, Columbus, Doral, Gulliver, Pace, Westminster) competing for talent

Orange County has 19 public schools with 2 main private schools (Bishop Moore, Lake Highland Prep) competing for talent

Palm Beach County has 21 public schools with 4 main private schools (Benjamin, Oxbridge, St Andrew's, St JP II) competing for talent  

[MuckCityChamp]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

Below are the combined records of Broward County public and private schools over the past three seasons.   Due to the sheer number of public schools in the county as well as the large number of competitive private school programs, Broward public schools face a substantial challenge.    

BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Boyd Anderson 20-10 (4-5 last season)

Coconut Creek 8-19

Cooper City 12-19

Coral Glades 9-20

Coral Springs 11-19

Cypress Bay 15-14 (5-4 last season)

Deerfield Beach 28-8 (8-3 last season)

Dillard 18-15 (6-6 last season)

Douglas 17-13 (6-4 last season)

Ely 7-23

Everglades 9-24

Flanagan 22-15 (1-10 last season)

Fort Lauderdale 11-23

Hallandale 17-16 (3-7 last season)

Hollywood Hills 7-21

McArthur 19-13 (1-9 last season)

Miramar 22-11 (9-2 last season)

Monarch 11-17

Northeast 4-26

Nova 15-18

Piper 20-13  (1-9 last season)

Plantation 19-13 (9-2 last season)

Pompano Beach 11-19

South Broward 12-18

South Plantation 7-25

Stranahan 12-19

Taravella 8-22

West Broward 20-13 (8-3 last season)

Western 22-12 (10-3 last season)

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 29 PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABOVE 413-498     13/29 have winning records 

 

BROWARD COUNTY PRIVATE SCHOOLS 

Archbishop McCarthy 28-6

Cardinal Gibbons 24-10

Coral Springs Charter 20-11

Chaminade-Madonna 28-10

North Broward Prep 23-10

Pine Crest 20-12

St Thomas Aquinas 38-6

University 24-9

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 9 PRIVATE SCHOOLS ABOVE 205-74

 

...for comparison

Hillsborough County has 26 public schools with 3 main private schools(Berkeley, Catholic and Jesuit) competing for talent

Miami-Dade County has 35 public schools with 7 main private schools (Belen, Champagnat, Columbus, Doral, Gulliver, Pace, Westminster) competing for talent

Orange County has 19 public schools with 2 main private schools (Bishop Moore, Lake Highland Prep) competing for talent

Palm Beach County has 21 public schools with 4 main private schools (Benjamin, Oxbridge, St Andrew's, St JP II) competing for talent  

You forgot American Heritage, Cardinal Newman, Glades Day,  and Kings Academy in the Palm Beach count. 

[OldSchoolLion]

On 5/10/2018 at 10:42 PM, MuckCityChamp said:

You forgot American Heritage, Cardinal Newman, Glades Day,  and Kings Academy in the Palm Beach count. 

thanks...forgot to include Am Heritage Plantation results.  They were 37-2 the past 3 seasons, so that means the Broward Private Schools have a combined 3-season record of 242-76, a winning percentage of 76%...versus a 45% winning percentage for Broward public schools.  

Below are the combined records of Palm Beach County public and private schools over the past three seasons.   PB County public schools have a winning percentage of 48%.  4 PB public schools are averaging 8 or more wins per season over the past 3 seasons.  Only 1 Broward public school is doing the same.

Palm Beach County Public Schools

*Atlantic 33-7-1

Boca Raton 19-13

Boynton Beach 14-17

*Dwyer 32-7

Forest Hill 18-13

*Glades Central 22-12

Inlet Grove 3-24

JI Leonard 7-25

Jupiter 2-28

Lake Worth 8-21

Olympic Heights 13-16

*Pahokee 31-8-1

Palm Beach Central 15-18

Palm Beach Gardens 15-17

Palm Beach Lakes 14-20

Park Vista 25-10

Royal Palm Beach 10-23

Santaluces 5-25

Seminole Ridge 16-15

Spanish River 13-17

Suncoast 16-15

Wellington 18-15

West Boca 11-18

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 23 PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABOVE 360-384-2     10/23 have winning records

*=public schools with 3 straight winning seasons

PALM BEACH COUNTY PRIVATE SCHOOLS

American Heritage Delray 17-15

Benjamin 16-15

Cardinal Newman 11-19

Glades Day 13-16

King's Academy 22-8

Oxbridge 29-7

St Andrew's 14-15

St John Paul II 12-16

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 8 PRIVATE SCHOOLS ABOVE 134-111     

[DisabledAccount]

11 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

thanks...forgot to include Am Heritage Plantation results.  They were 37-2 the past 3 seasons, so that means the Broward Private Schools have a combined 3-season record of 242-76, a winning percentage of 76%...versus a 45% winning percentage for Broward public schools.  

Below are the combined records of Palm Beach County public and private schools over the past three seasons.   PB County public schools have a winning percentage of 48%.  4 PB public schools are averaging 8 or more wins per season over the past 3 seasons.  Only 1 Broward public school is doing the same.

Palm Beach County Public Schools

Atlantic 33-7-1

Boca Raton 19-13

Boynton Beach 14-17

Dwyer 32-7

Forest Hill 18-13

Glades Central 22-12

Inlet Grove 3-24

JI Leonard 7-25

Jupiter 2-28

Lake Worth 8-21

Olympic Heights 13-16

Pahokee 31-8-1

Palm Beach Central 15-18

Palm Beach Gardens 15-17

Palm Beach Lakes 14-20

Park Vista 25-10

Royal Palm Beach 10-23

Santaluces 5-25

Seminole Ridge 16-15

Spanish River 13-17

Suncoast 16-15

Wellington 18-15

West Boca 11-18

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 23 PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABOVE 360-384-2     10/23 have winning records

 

PALM BEACH COUNTY PRIVATE SCHOOLS

American Heritage Delray 17-15

Benjamin 16-15

Cardinal Newman 11-19

Glades Day 13-16

King's Academy 22-8

Oxbridge 29-7

St Andrew's 14-15

St John Paul II 12-16

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 8 PRIVATE SCHOOLS ABOVE 134-111     

Well the answer for drop-off is simple at quite a few of the schools

 

Coaching

 

Take Dillard for instance, they were once a south Florida power but once they had their legendary coach retire they haven't been the same since

 

Flanagan was a power just a few years ago but they had their coach leave as well as a major exodus and they fell to the basement basically overnight 

 

 

Several of the teams still talented but coaching is holding them back 

[“PANTHER NATION(CODE BLUE)]

Numbers don’t lie 

[Zoe Boy]

On 5/10/2018 at 8:32 PM, OldSchoolLion said:

Below are the combined records of Broward County public and private schools over the past three seasons.   Due to the sheer number of public schools in the county as well as the large number of competitive private school programs, Broward public schools face a substantial challenge.    

BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Boyd Anderson 20-10 (4-5 last season)

Coconut Creek 8-19

Cooper City 12-19

Coral Glades 9-20

Coral Springs 11-19

Cypress Bay 15-14 (5-4 last season)

Deerfield Beach 28-8 (8-3 last season)

Dillard 18-15 (6-6 last season)

Douglas 17-13 (6-4 last season)

Ely 7-23

Everglades 9-24

Flanagan 22-15 (1-10 last season)

Fort Lauderdale 11-23

Hallandale 17-16 (3-7 last season)

Hollywood Hills 7-21

McArthur 19-13 (1-9 last season)

Miramar 22-11 (9-2 last season)

Monarch 11-17

Northeast 4-26

Nova 15-18

Piper 20-13  (1-9 last season)

Plantation 19-13 (9-2 last season)

Pompano Beach 11-19

South Broward 12-18

South Plantation 7-25

Stranahan 12-19

Taravella 8-22

West Broward 20-13 (8-3 last season)

Western 22-12 (10-3 last season)

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 29 PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABOVE 413-498     13/29 have winning records 

 

BROWARD COUNTY PRIVATE SCHOOLS 

Archbishop McCarthy 28-6

Cardinal Gibbons 24-10

Coral Springs Charter 20-11

Chaminade-Madonna 28-10

North Broward Prep 23-10

Pine Crest 20-12

St Thomas Aquinas 38-6

University 24-9

COMBINED 3-SEASON RECORDS OF 9 PRIVATE SCHOOLS ABOVE 205-74

 

...for comparison

Hillsborough County has 26 public schools with 3 main private schools(Berkeley, Catholic and Jesuit) competing for talent

Miami-Dade County has 35 public schools with 7 main private schools (Belen, Champagnat, Columbus, Doral, Gulliver, Pace, Westminster) competing for talent

Orange County has 19 public schools with 2 main private schools (Bishop Moore, Lake Highland Prep) competing for talent

Palm Beach County has 21 public schools with 4 main private schools (Benjamin, Oxbridge, St Andrew's, St JP II) competing for talent  

Doral is not a private school

[“PANTHER NATION(CODE BLUE)]

1 hour ago, Zoe Boy said:

Doral is not a private school

I could have sworn they was Doral Academy?? lol 

[OldSchoolLion]

 

21 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Well the answer for drop-off is simple at quite a few of the schools

 

Coaching

 

Take Dillard for instance, they were once a south Florida power but once they had their legendary coach retire they haven't been the same since

 

Flanagan was a power just a few years ago but they had their coach leave as well as a major exodus and they fell to the basement basically overnight 

 

 

Several of the teams still talented but coaching is holding them back 

Who would want to coach a public school team in Broward or Palm Beach Counties today?  ...between pay issues and the competition with private schools.   

I don't believe there is one public school in either county that has been consistently making deep playoff runs this decade.  Even the traditional powers like Glades Central, Pahokee, Dwyer, Deerfield Beach, Miramar...seems like all of those programs have fallen off to some extent this decade compared.  

Bravo to any coach who takes on the challenge.  They have big cojones.

 

 

[DisabledAccount]

6 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

 

Who would want to coach a public school team in Broward or Palm Beach Counties today?  ...between pay issues and the competition with private schools.   

I don't believe there is one public school in either county that has been consistently making deep playoff runs this decade.  Even the traditional powers like Glades Central, Pahokee, Dwyer, Deerfield Beach, Miramar...seems like all of those programs have fallen off to some extent this decade compared.  

Bravo to any coach who takes on the challenge.  They have big cojones.

 

 

I kinda hit on this in another thread 

 

And I can't blame the coaches I'm just saying the issues are stemming from coaching

 

Look at Deerfield Beach, probably one of the most talented teams in the county but they can never go deep,  why?  Coaching

[Zoe Boy]

4 hours ago, "PANTHER NATiON" (WE HERE) said:

I could have sworn they was Doral Academy?? lol 

Yup Doral Charter Academy ... Not a private.. You don’t pay to go to that school..

[Zoe Boy]

4 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

 

Who would want to coach a public school team in Broward or Palm Beach Counties today?  ...between pay issues and the competition with private schools.   

I don't believe there is one public school in either county that has been consistently making deep playoff runs this decade.  Even the traditional powers like Glades Central, Pahokee, Dwyer, Deerfield Beach, Miramar...seems like all of those programs have fallen off to some extent this decade compared.  

Bravo to any coach who takes on the challenge.  They have big cojones.

 

 

So why does Deerfield seems to get most of the transfers more then the private ls in Broward seems like every year? Miramar get there share too..

[“PANTHER NATION(CODE BLUE)]

4 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

 

Who would want to coach a public school team in Broward or Palm Beach Counties today?  ...between pay issues and the competition with private schools.   

I don't believe there is one public school in either county that has been consistently making deep playoff runs this decade.  Even the traditional powers like Glades Central, Pahokee, Dwyer, Deerfield Beach, Miramar...seems like all of those programs have fallen off to some extent this decade compared.  

Bravo to any coach who takes on the challenge.  They have big cojones.

 

 

Well if we’re gonna go that route Zoe there hasn’t been a CONSISTENT power in Broward County public school wise since the 90s Deerfield beach are they really a power ? Or just a school that’s attractive for transfers because of the coaching staff they have ?? Deerfield doesn’t even have a state championship to their name period. Miramar last and only state championship was in 09 so are they really a power last public school to win it all was Flanagan in 2015 and that’s when they were full of transfers now look their a cellar dweller team.them that leads Broward County in football championships public school wise is DILLARD WITH 2 and they haven’t won one since the 90s so what does that tell you. Am I wrong @OldSchoolLion

[OldSchoolLion]

57 minutes ago, "PANTHER NATiON" (WE HERE) said:

Well if we’re gonna go that route Zoe there hasn’t been a CONSISTENT power in Broward County public school wise since the 90s Deerfield beach are they really a power ? Or just a school that’s attractive for transfers because of the coaching staff they have ?? Deerfield doesn’t even have a state championship to their name period. Miramar last and only state championship was in 09 so are they really a power last public school to win it all was Flanagan in 2015 and that’s when they were full of transfers now look their a cellar dweller team.them that leads Broward County in football championships public school wise is DILLARD WITH 2 and they haven’t won one since the 90s so what does that tell you. Am I wrong @OldSchoolLion

The key word is "consistent."  Only once in its history (07 and 08) has DB ever had two years in a row with 2 or more playoff wins.  And only once has Miramar done that (08 and 09).  Dillard, Ely and Plantation had some very strong teams back in the 90's/early 00's where they strung together years of deep playoff runs.  One could argue that the real powerhouse programs in Broward were found back in the late 80's with Dillard and Ely.  Many of those those kids back then were going to those schools instead of the privates.          

[“PANTHER NATION(CODE BLUE)]

41 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

The key word is "consistent."  Only once in its history (07 and 08) has DB ever had two years in a row with 2 or more playoff wins.  And only once has Miramar done that (08 and 09).  Dillard, Ely and Plantation had some very strong teams back in the 90's/early 00's where they strung together years of deep playoff runs.  One could argue that the real powerhouse programs in Broward were found back in the late 80's with Dillard and Ely.  Many of those those kids back then were going to those schools instead of the privates.          

Exactly 

[Zoe Boy]

2 hours ago, "PANTHER NATiON" (WE HERE) said:

Well if we’re gonna go that route Zoe there hasn’t been a CONSISTENT power in Broward County public school wise since the 90s Deerfield beach are they really a power ? Or just a school that’s attractive for transfers because of the coaching staff they have ?? Deerfield doesn’t even have a state championship to their name period. Miramar last and only state championship was in 09 so are they really a power last public school to win it all was Flanagan in 2015 and that’s when they were full of transfers now look their a cellar dweller team.them that leads Broward County in football championships public school wise is DILLARD WITH 2 and they haven’t won one since the 90s so what does that tell you. Am I wrong @OldSchoolLion

Ok Deerfield Beach consistent playoff team . Coaching staff sucks ass I agree .. Miramar , gotta fight Carol City and some what Norland and some privates But y’all really do think the reason why Dillard mainly not winning cause the “PRIVATES” are taking all their players allegedly... I would bet y’all any money that if you take the players that are in those private teams back to there “home schools “ those public school still probably wouldn’t win cause all those players don’t live in FT lauderdale.. They would be spread out..  For example look at the Ft lauderdale Hurricanes program . Half the team was from Dade and Pembroke Pines / Miramar area... Since you want to talk about consistents and I don’t live in Broward , before the privates blew up why Broward teams wasn’t winning consistently? 

[DisabledAccount]

1 minute ago, Zoe Boy said:

Ok Deerfield Beach consistent playoff team . Coaching staff sucks ass I agree .. Miramar , gotta fight Carol City and some what Norland and some privates But y’all really do think the reason why Dillard mainly not winning cause the “PRIVATES” are taking all their players allegedly... I would bet y’all any money that if you take the players that are in those private teams back to there “home schools “ those public school still probably wouldn’t win cause all those players don’t live in FT lauderdale.. They would be spread out..  For example look at the Ft lauderdale Hurricanes program . Half the team was from Dade and Pembroke Pines / Miramar area... Since you want to talk about consistents and I don’t live in Broward , before the privates blew up why Broward teams wasn’t winning consistently? 

Was Dillard getting players from outside the area when they were successful? 

 

If so what areas was the talent coming from 

[Zoe Boy]

Why when the privates wasn’t winning the Broward public teams wasn’t racking up championship or consistently being a dominant team?

[BrowardHandicapper]

3 hours ago, "PANTHER NATiON" (WE HERE) said:

Well if we’re gonna go that route Zoe there hasn’t been a CONSISTENT power in Broward County public school wise since the 90s Deerfield beach are they really a power ? Or just a school that’s attractive for transfers because of the coaching staff they have ?? Deerfield doesn’t even have a state championship to their name period. Miramar last and only state championship was in 09 so are they really a power last public school to win it all was Flanagan in 2015 and that’s when they were full of transfers now look their a cellar dweller team.them that leads Broward County in football championships public school wise is DILLARD WITH 2 and they haven’t won one since the 90s so what does that tell you. Am I wrong @OldSchoolLion

Wrong.  Devin Bush brought in nearly all of these kids from the AYFL where he coached Pembroke Pines.  Bush made this team a little better every year by keeping his talent home over a 4 year cycle while he was at Flanagan. The team was very competitive under Bush and 3 or 4 kids (who grew up playing for Bush in youth football in Pembroke Pines) returned to Flanagan which helped lead 2015 Flanagan's Defense to that elite form.  Bush left for Michigan in 2016  and Stanford Samuels took over the program in which Flanagan had a pretty good season.  Samuels son graduated and went to FSU.   Samuels resigned and Flanagan did not hire within in which they had several assistants on staff that were probably fit to take over .  All coaches left and  lots of talent followed suit.  Flanagan hired the longtime Hollywood Hills HC and he lasted a year.  

The facts are Devin Bush took over a average 8A program,  built a mini 4-5 power cycle by bringing in his talented youth team and other players from the area from 9th grade.  Bush was successful by keeping kids home and not leaving in a very stacked area of Broward County.  Granted Bush also attracted talent but it wasn't like 2015 was this fly by night roster put together. 3 or 4 kids transferred to that team. 

How many of all those talented kids that played for Devin Bush left Flanagan while he was there to play for other local private or public powers?

Tell me one.

[Zoe Boy]

Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Was Dillard getting players from outside the area when they were successful? 

 

If so what areas was the talent coming from 

What you talking the 90’s when they won the championship? Cause mighty logic is that’s the only time they’ve been consistent..

[BrowardHandicapper]

1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Was Dillard getting players from outside the area when they were successful? 

 

If so what areas was the talent coming from 

Not back in the day... but of late?

Absolutely!  Most of Dillard top players last year were inbound transfers.  Dillard has some in house talent but nothing like  back in the day.

[DisabledAccount]

10 minutes ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

Absolutely!  Most of Dillard top players last year were inbound transfers.

So which areas were they getting those players back in the 80s and 90s?

[DisabledAccount]

14 minutes ago, Zoe Boy said:

What you talking the 90’s when they won the championship? Cause mighty logic is that’s the only time they’ve been consistent..

80s and 90s

[Zoe Boy]

1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

80s and 90s

Shit hell if I know

[BrowardHandicapper]

25 minutes ago, Zoe Boy said:

Ok Deerfield Beach consistent playoff team . Coaching staff sucks ass I agree .. Miramar , gotta fight Carol City and some what Norland and some privates But y’all really do think the reason why Dillard mainly not winning cause the “PRIVATES” are taking all their players allegedly... I would bet y’all any money that if you take the players that are in those private teams back to there “home schools “ those public school still probably wouldn’t win cause all those players don’t live in FT lauderdale.. They would be spread out..  For example look at the Ft lauderdale Hurricanes program . Half the team was from Dade and Pembroke Pines / Miramar area... Since you want to talk about consistents and I don’t live in Broward , before the privates blew up why Broward teams wasn’t winning consistently? 

This concept that Fort Lauderdale  and Dillard is some mecca of football in Broward is archaic.  True historically but far from the truth in this century.   Like it or not, most of the talent is the youth leagues in Broward is South/Southwest and spread out even to North Broward more so  then what  Fort Lauderdale produces  now.  Back in the 80s and 90s it was a different story as there was no one living out west and there were no youth leagues out West.  Fort Lauderdale was nearly half the population of Broward County then.   

By the way that Fort Laudedale Hurricanes team probaby had as many kids from Davie as Fort Lauderdale on it.  That team was basically a PPO team with kids from Pines/Miramar and Dade like you said.

 

 

[BrowardHandicapper]

5 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

So which areas were they getting those players back in the 80s and 90s?

I believe Dillard's players back in the 80s and 90 were mostly homegrown in that zone.

Things change I guess. Dillard was a longstanding public power then as was Ely.