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  2. FL 2nd Round

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    1 hour ago, Dr. D said:

    Niceville had to travel 670 miles round-trip to play Nease in round one.  IF they beat Bartram Trail, they will (most likely) have a 600-mile round-trip to play Buchholz.  The problem is there just aren`t a lot of large enrollment schools west of Lake City, so larger classes would not necessarily solve this problem.  These panhandle schools just about have to be drawn into a Region with Jacksonville-area schools.  Significant travel is just a fact of life in Region 1, and holds true for other sports as well.    

    Perhaps the schools in the panhandle should be allowed to play in the Alabama or Georgia playoffs instead if they wanted to . . . it could be called "State Choice."   B)

  3. Round 2 pick ems!

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    Williston

    Holmes County

    Blountstown

    Naples Community

    Ocala Trinity Catholic

    Orlando Christian Prep

    Cardinal Newman

    Walton

    Florida High

    Raines

    Berkeley Prep

    Lincoln

    Eau Gallie

    Armwood

    Gaither

    Niceville 

    Lake Minneola

    Deland 

    Western

    Lake Mary

  4. FL 2nd Round

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    3 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    If they won the division then they don’t travel. This is on them. But the Fhsaa should combine classes to shorten the distance of travel in the early rounds 

    Not an apologist for Bartram Trail, but they finished second in their district with one district loss, behind the district winner and top seed in the region, Buchholz.  If BT had beaten Buchholz, there's a very good chance that Buchholz would have been in the same position that BT is in now:  3rd seed in the Region, having to travel from Gainesville to 6th-seeded, but district champ, Navarre, for the first round game and then traveling the following week to #2 seed Niceville for the second round game.   Bottom line:  it's just a really, really big region, so travel is inevitable. 

  5. FL 2nd Round

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    14 minutes ago, Joshua Wilson said:

    No joke...

    That trip to Navarre was 369 miles one-way or 738 miles round trip.

    To Niceville is 331 miles one-way or 662 miles round trip.

    When its all said and done, Bartram Trail will have traveled 1,400 miles in two weeks. Most playoff teams will not even come close to touching that mileage number.

     

    Road Warriors!!!   (screams every team that has to travel more than 100 miles to play a post-season game . . . but in this case, if BT can pull off the road win twice in two weeks, the phrase may have some legitimacy). 

  7. TREASURE COAST TITANS 28 - OSCEOLA KOWBOYS 0

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    19 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    In fact, it can harm the morale of the team, which can ultimately harm efforts to recruit better players. 

     

    9 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    But, they lost all of those games and so I'm not sure they'll fare all that well in recruiting as a result. Same goes for Lakeland, by the way. Their losses might hurt them in recruiting this off-season.

    I can see both sides of this issue.  In theory, I think you try to schedule at least one team that you suspect is either better than you are or that will play a style similar to the team that will stand in the way of a title run.

    That said, I pulled out the two quotes above for a reason:  while it may go on, I find it troubling that people talk openly about "recruit[ing] better players," and "recruiting this off-season."  Recruiting is illegal.  It's against the rules.  Period.

    Longtime Observer, I'm not picking on you.  Others have said it, too, in other threads.   You just happened to say it in this thread.  That said, if you know the team you support is openly recruiting (and not just attracting transfers because of the success they've had), you're supporting the wrong team. 

  8. Coaching Changes (23-24)

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    6 minutes ago, Beek said:

    I just hope what I did there doesn't go to waste. I have moved on to the next chapter. Gave everything I could to that program. Now time to spend that same effort at a place where I will be appreciated.

    Coach, I don't know you other than through the forum, but I feel like I know who you are.   Programs are like kids.  You gave the Poinciana program everything you had and, understandably, you want to see your 'child' continue to grow and prosper.   But you have no control over what happens next.   That said, take comfort in the lives that you changed for the better while you were there and know that the "real" kids will played for you will benefit for the rest of their lives because of what they learned under your leadership and tutelage.  Move on and don't look back.  Best of luck in your next chapter. 

  10. Brawl ends Lakeland-Kathleen game, and possibly Lakeland's season

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    11 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    The matter of incentives is important here. If the reality is that a team with only one more game in a shitty season faces a hated rival who figures to have several games left, and they can bring in some thugs to start a brawl that decimates the other team, why wouldn't they do that? It's easy to sit on a couch and talk about "discipline", but it's a totally different matter when you're being charged and attacked. If the result of the brawl is one team loses some low level players for one meaningless game, while the other team loses players for an entire playoffs run, we're going to see A LOT more of this.

    I'm pretty sure that's been the rule for a long time.   Good coaches anticipate such things and take adequate precautions. 

  11. Brawl ends Lakeland-Kathleen game, and possibly Lakeland's season

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    12 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    What I speculate about or anticipate is something separate from what I think should happen. For reasons others have mentioned, I thought a 4 or 5 game suspension was probable. (A couple of players did get two games as it is). But, the points I made above are worth considering, and hadn't necessarily been considered when I started this thread. I don't see how the events of that night should mean a 1-game suspension for Kathleen players attacking/punching/fighting while Lakeland's players doing the same things (often in response to Kathleen's provocations) should get several more games of suspension.

     

    For what it's worth, if any of the Kathleen athletes play other sports, under FHSAA rules, a suspension which extends beyond the football season would carry over to the next sport they play.  

    Just out of curiosity, what would your solution be to a hypothetical scenario where players from two teams each get a five-game suspension, but one player's season ends after the second game while the other team's season continues?  It wouldn't be right to cut the other player's suspension short just because his team still has games left, would it?

  12. Brawl ends Lakeland-Kathleen game, and possibly Lakeland's season

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    Badbird, here's my perspective:  the first incident warranted a stoppage and an indirect free kick for the white team, but in my opinion did not warrant a yellow card.   What's the rule in high school soccer?  Does a player who picks up a yellow card have to come off the field for some period of time?  Or did that player already have a yellow and just picked up his second yellow (which would result in a red)?  Either way, that was a minor foul and did not warrant a card, and ejection or a suspension.  Again, the only caveat would be that the ref gave him a yellow card when he was already playing with a yellow card, which resulted in a red card, which qualifies as an ejection for which the handbook says a suspension must be given.  As for the second incident, #7 white was clearly playing the role of instigator and definitely flopped.  If anything, that player -- and not the defender -- should have picked up a yellow card.

    Having said all that, I will tell you that football ejections/suspensions are treated differently than all the other sports in the FHSAA Handbook.   It's almost as if they know the nature of the game of football is going to lead to skirmishes and fights which, in turn, will lead to ejections.  And I think they recognize the football season is typically the shortest season in terms of games played.  Therefore, it doesn't make sense to suspend football players the same number of games as other sports, as you will then be suspending a football player a much larger percentage of his or her season than in other sports (a suspension of 3 games would be 30% of a 10-game season, but only 12.5% of a 24-game season).  

  13. Brawl ends Lakeland-Kathleen game, and possibly Lakeland's season

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    From the Lakeland Ledger:

    "FHSAA officials confirmed that 12 players from both Lakeland and Kathleen were suspended as a result of a fight that broke out at the beginning of the third quarter when the two teams met on Oct. 27.

    Kathleen players sat out last week, while Lakeland players will miss Friday night's home playoff game against New Port Richey Mitchell in the Class 4S, Region 2 quarterfinals."

    . . . 

    "Polk County athletic director Dan Talbot said most of the suspensions were for one week, although a couple of players received two weeks suspension. The punishments were lighter than they could have been, he said, because the schools meted out their own punishments first."

     

    Lakeland officials couldn't/wouldn't disclose what the punishment was because of "privacy laws." 

  16. EXCLUSIVE: FHSAA Classification Task Force Committee proposes changes to classification system to help address competitive balance

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    7 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:

    I will close by saying that the list of promises made would make a timeshare salesman blush. 

    Darter, I understand your reluctance to name schools or coaches in this forum.  However, I'd be interested in hearing about some of the promises/incentives being offered up (even if you have to change the names to protect the, um, guilty). 

  17. EXCLUSIVE: FHSAA Classification Task Force Committee proposes changes to classification system to help address competitive balance

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    4 minutes ago, CocoaFranco said:

    let's reward the programs that have kids transfer out? Poll students about why they transfer its typically the school they are coming from doesn't support football, likely have a revolving door of coaches, runs a system that the player doesnt fit in... everyone wants to act like these kids are being recruited to leave... they aren't... they are leaving for their best opportunity.

    There are definitely kids out there transferring to get a better fit/opportunity, but to suggest that kids aren't being recruited (by coaches, parents, boosters, other players, etc.) is disingenuous, at best, and flat out wrong, at a minimum.  

  19. *PLAYOFF PICK EM!!!!* (1st round)

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    2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    @Nulli Secundus

    @imjustafan2

    @DarterBlue2

     

    apologies for the mistake. I didn’t realize part of our playoffs don’t start until the following week. I was looking at them in bracket form. Not by date. I have put up 4 new games in bold in the first post to take place of the 1S and 1M games that are next week. Please go edit your posts to reflect the new selections. These are the new games 

    Immokalee vs Gulf Coast

    Palm Harbor U vs Durant 

    Southridge vs Hialeah 

    Estero vs Hardee

    Look on the bright side, Nolebull:  come next week, you've already got 4 of your games picked out.  :D

  20. Jesuit Assistant Coach Dismissed for Striking Player

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    21 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

    Watch this one. This is way different 

     

    I'm so confused.   Did the person on the sideline (in the second part of the clip) have anything to do with why the coach gut-punched his player?    Did the coach get arrested in the middle of the game?  The only thing that makes sense in this clip is that the coach had the good sense to hit the player in the stomach/solar plexes instead of his helmet.  :o

    Of course, I kid about the coach hitting the player.  Absolutely no excuse for that.  None.  

  23. Jesuit Assistant Coach Dismissed for Striking Player

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    Ironically, if that same coach used that same hand to strike the same player in the same head/shoulder area during pre-game warm-ups, it would likely be celebrated on social media as a passionate coach getting his player psyched up before kick-off.   The problem for this [now former] coach is that he clearly struck the kid (wherever he may have struck him) out of anger and frustration.  On the one hand, you can argue that the firing prevented a future situation that could have been much worse.   On the other hand, and assuming there was no other past actions that warranted scrutiny or discipline, I'd be inclined to suspend the coach a game or two and make it clear if he ever struck another kid, he'd be fired on the spot. 

    Last point from me:  I've said on a couple of occasions that I don't understand players who try to punch an opponent who is wearing a helmet and shoulder pads.   I guess I don't understand coaches who do it either. 

  25. Jesuit Assistant Coach Dismissed for Striking Player

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    https://www.fox13news.com/news/video-jesuit-high-school-assistant-football-coach-fired-after-being-caught-on-camera-punching-player

     

    Yahoo picked up this story and it's interesting to read the comments.   Half of them are like, "dang, my coach used to do a lot worse than that . . . we're too soft now."  The other half are like "A high school coach can't ever punch/strike a player.  Period."  Very little middle ground.  

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