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[MC Rockets]

Can you reference where you heard or read that?

 

Does this include Spring games and Jamborees as well?

I have had numerous conversations with the former high school football editor at Maxpreps along with Dallas Jackson and Jim Halley of USA today himself. Spring games are taken into account as well. That’s one of the criteria for ranking most teams in the preseason along with other factors.

[BrowardHandicapper]

Here is a link to Maxpreps Week 9/2/2015  Regional Computer Polls for 2015:

 

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/mHXF1VKHSEa7y15nUu6HLQ/maxpreps-high-school-football-regional-computer-rankings.htm

 

Notice IMG in the South is #1 and (last week - #1) as well.  I remember other National polls did not affect IMG as well.. A few people in forums were discussing that they were curious how IMG was not dropped after losing to AHP and it was generally concluded that it was a preseason game.

[BrowardHandicapper]

Both teams (AHP and IMG) started the season the following week  nationally and per the FHSAA at 0-0.  STA beat Dillard 24-0 in their Kickoff Classic that week - Did they get any credit for shutting out  a "good" team?  

 

I'll be the first person to tell you that both teams were trying to win that game and IMG got beat (physically and mentally)  but if we count that game as a win for AHP we need to count all pre-season games as wins and losses and that includes spring games from what you are saying - nationwide.  All of them.

[MC Rockets]

Here is a link to Maxpreps Week 9/2/2015 Regional Computer Polls for 2015:

 

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/mHXF1VKHSEa7y15nUu6HLQ/maxpreps-high-school-football-regional-computer-rankings.htm

 

Notice IMG in the South is #1 and (last week - #1) as well. I remember other National polls did not affect IMG as well.. A few people in forums were discussing that they were curious how IMG was not dropped after losing to AHP and it was generally concluded that it was a preseason game.

Computer vs Human poll.

Notice the poll below is the first poll after KOC weekend. Notice where IMG was before and where they were after. Don't tell me preseason doesn't count.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=9c310f12-a757-46d2-a733-10a92c5b99c2

[DisabledAccount]

Both teams (AHP and IMG) started the season the following week nationally and per the FHSAA at 0-0. STA beat Dillard 24-0 in their Kickoff Classic that week - Did they get any credit for shutting out a "good" team?

 

I'll be the first person to tell you that both teams were trying to win that game and IMG got beat (physically and mentally) but if we count that game as a win for AHP we need to count all pre-season games as wins and losses and that includes spring games from what you are saying - nationwide. All of them.

Kickoff games should count, spring no

[BrowardHandicapper]

Kickoff games should count, spring no

So you are siding with Dallas Jackson on this one?

[DisabledAccount]

So you are siding with Dallas Jackson on this one?

Didn't he say both should count?

[MC Rockets]

So you are siding with Dallas Jackson on this one?

It's not just Dallas Jackson. See the link I just posted to further my point.

[DisabledAccount]

If so im only haftway siding with him, only because your team in kickoff game is who you got for season. In spring games you and up have people transfer in and out so it's unreliable but the roster by kickoff should be set and a lot of people play full games

[MC Rockets]

Didn't he say both should count?

Look at the link I just posted and you will see it's not just Dallas Jackson.

[DisabledAccount]

I can't stand Dallas Jackson but yeah kickoffs should count and so there is no 2 sided argument on my part I do treat the Apopka game last year as a loss just like any regular season game and the west Orange game the year before that we won just like a regular season because jv never stepped foot on the field

[DisabledAccount]

And don't USA today only do top 25?

[BrowardHandicapper]

Computer vs Human poll.

Notice the poll below is the first poll after KOC weekend. Notice where IMG was before and where they were after. Don't tell me preseason doesn't count.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=9c310f12-a757-46d2-a733-10a92c5b99c2

It obviously does in that Maxpreps Human poll.  If that is the case for that  human poll...Hell, we may as well start putting together a National poll based on spring scrimmages and jamborees!

[BrowardHandicapper]

I can't stand Dallas Jackson but yeah kickoffs should count and so there is no 2 sided argument on my part I do treat the Apopka game last year as a loss just like any regular season game and the west Orange game the year before that we won just like a regular season because jv never stepped foot on the field

So columbiahighfan2016.  I am officially starting with you.  Who was the team that beat Columbia this spring?

[DisabledAccount]

It obviously does in that Maxpreps Human poll. If that is the case for that human poll...Hell, we may as well start putting together a National poll based on spring scrimmages and jamborees!

Go ahead, Gives us something to talk about in off season

[DisabledAccount]

So columbiahighfan2016. I am officially starting with you. Who was the team that beat Columbia this spring?

I said kickoff games not spring but if we must know it was sandalwood who might be most talented public team in duval

[BrowardHandicapper]

I said kickoff games not spring but if we must know it was sandalwood who might be most talented public team in duval

No.  You lost to Sandalwood.  Not against your record but I am definitely taking it into account when I do my rankings.

[MC Rockets]

It obviously does in that Maxpreps Human poll. If that is the case for that human poll...Hell, we may as well start putting together a National poll based on spring scrimmages and jamborees!

They dropped in every poll after that loss. Putting polls together are not needed for spring games. Waaay too early. But again whenever you take the field you're evaluated in some way.

[BrowardHandicapper]

What about when a team takes the field and holds a scrimmage versus itself.  Does that count against them if both the Offense and Defense look bad?  

[MC Rockets]

What about when a team takes the field and holds a scrimmage versus itself. Does that count against them if both the Offense and Defense look bad?

For preseason positioning it's a factor.

[DisabledAccount]

No. You lost to Sandalwood. Not against your record but I am definitely taking it into account when I do my rankings.

I'm sure you did, you probley took us down in ratings because of the viera loss last year, if we go 9-1 or 10-0 we will be in polls heading into playoffs which is only thing that matters

[DisabledAccount]

We can do all the preseason nonsense but it's about how you produce, we were in only one top 25 poll on this board last year and despite no optimist views we went 12-2 so the preseason polls that people gave up on us ment nothing because we did better then expected

[BrowardHandicapper]

For preseason positioning it's a factor.

I hear you...you are basically saying (but not really saying) it is a psychological factor for pre-season or even early regular season polls.  If that is the case and teams and coaches know that then wouldn't it be wise to leave your starters in the whole game in a spring game?  

 

I'm serious though ...We should start a new topic with spring/preseason results of games and jamborees. Wouldn't it be easier to make our preseason rankings? 

[BrowardHandicapper]

We can do all the preseason nonsense but it's about how you produce, we were in only one top 25 poll on this board last year and despite no optimist views we went 12-2 so the preseason polls that people gave up on us ment nothing because we did better then expected

Listen...Columbia already started the 2016 season getting blasted by Sandbox.  I am not giving up on Columbia but I am surely questing their legitimacy.

[DisabledAccount]

Listen...Columbia already started the 2016 season getting blasted by Sandbox. I am not giving up on Columbia but I am surely questing their legitimacy.

Who is sandbox and the issue I am struggling to get is even before we threw the spring game in you were doubting Columbia, you felt we were top 25 worthy when we won district, you still felt it when we beat bartram to go to final 4, the only thing that went negative between then and the start of spring was viera game, so is that why you have us so low in polls? Because of a playoff loss from last year or is there another reason, I'm all for a opinion and I've proven to have one but you have never explained to me why you have us starting lower then last year when we coming off a better season