Fhsaa looking to shake things up

[badbird]

The open class will be great to watch.  The rest not so much

 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/os-sp-fhsaa-proposal-0623-story.html

[badbird]

This is for basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and I think it will get passed.  Once it does and schools like it I believe football will be next.  I think this system is great for most people.  However I think it punishes the schools that are really really good but not elite.  

[badbird]

If they did this for football last year and went by MaxPreps rankings which I know aren't great but we will use them here is what the open class football bracket could have looked like for the North.

NORTH

Region 1

1 Baker County 2 Crestview  3 West Florida 4 Wakulla 5 Escambia 6 Godby 7 Navarre 8 Clay

Region 2 

1 St Augustine 2 Raines 3 Bartram Trail 4 Vanguard 5 Trinity Christian 6 Mainland 7 Fleming Island 8 Lee

Region 3  

1 Dr Phillips 2 Wekiva 3 Winter Park 4 Osceola 5 Apopka 6 Jones 7 Boone 8 West orange

Region 4

1 Armwood 2 Plant 3 Riverview 4 Lakeland 5 Tampa bay Tech 6 CCC 7 Hillsbourough 8 Palmetto

 

 

[DisabledAccount]

1 hour ago, badbird said:

This is for basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and I think it will get passed.  Once it does and schools like it I believe football will be next.  I think this system is great for most people.  However I think it punishes the schools that are really really good but not elite.  

So it would punish someone like us if we were to end up in the highest classification because if we did we would be one of the ones on the edge of the cutoff

 

Well at least ik for softball that we would still have Gainesville in our same class and as long as we get them in our class across the board they I will be ok with any system they make

[DisabledAccount]

51 minutes ago, badbird said:

If they did this for football last year and went by MaxPreps rankings which I know aren't great but we will use them here is what the open class football bracket could have looked like for the North.

NORTH

Region 1

1 Baker County 2 Crestview  3 West Florida 4 Wakulla 5 Escambia 6 Godby 7 Navarre 8 Clay

Region 2 

1 St Augustine 2 Raines 3 Bartram Trail 4 Vanguard 5 Trinity Christian 6 Mainland 7 Fleming Island 8 Lee

Region 3  

1 Dr Phillips 2 Wekiva 3 Winter Park 4 Osceola 5 Apopka 6 Jones 7 Boone 8 West orange

Region 4

1 Armwood 2 Plant 3 Riverview 4 Lakeland 5 Tampa bay Tech 6 CCC 7 Hillsbourough 8 Palmetto

 

 

But question

 

Where is madison County? 

 

I saw a similar one to this a while back and using maxpreps rankings Madison would be in highest classification 

[OldSchoolLion]

42 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

So it would punish someone like us if we were to end up in the highest classification because if we did we would be one of the ones on the edge of the cutoff

 

Well at least ik for softball that we would still have Gainesville in our same class and as long as we get them in our class across the board they I will be ok with any system they make

"Punishment" is one way to look at it.  The other way is to look at being in the top division as one of prestige.  In England, the top soccer league is the Premier League.  There is a lot of prestige to be in that league.  Many would rather see their club be middle of the pack in that league than at the top of the lower league.   

[OldSchoolLion]

1 hour ago, badbird said:

If they did this for football last year and went by MaxPreps rankings which I know aren't great but we will use them here is what the open class football bracket could have looked like for the North.

NORTH

Region 1

1 Baker County 2 Crestview  3 West Florida 4 Wakulla 5 Escambia 6 Godby 7 Navarre 8 Clay

Region 2 

1 St Augustine 2 Raines 3 Bartram Trail 4 Vanguard 5 Trinity Christian 6 Mainland 7 Fleming Island 8 Lee

Region 3  

1 Dr Phillips 2 Wekiva 3 Winter Park 4 Osceola 5 Apopka 6 Jones 7 Boone 8 West orange

Region 4

1 Armwood 2 Plant 3 Riverview 4 Lakeland 5 Tampa bay Tech 6 CCC 7 Hillsbourough 8 Palmetto

 

 

I guess one region could be STA, AHP, Cardinal Gibbons and Chaminade?  If so, would kids be as interested in going to a school like Chaminade knowing the chance of a state title is greatly reduced?

...possibly similar scenarios with Jones or CCC with kids migrating to the more powerful schools in the region?    

[badbird]

1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

But question

 

Where is madison County? 

 

I saw a similar one to this a while back and using maxpreps rankings Madison would be in highest classification 

I took Madison out because I didn't think they would mess with the 1A rural.  I could be wrong

[OldSchoolLion]

4 hours ago, badbird said:

The open class will be great to watch.  The rest not so much

 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/os-sp-fhsaa-proposal-0623-story.html

I wonder if it could help bring back some of the great smaller town matchups we used to see in the middle classes prior to this decade.    

[“PANTHER NATION(CODE BLUE)]

I like it 

[DisabledAccount]

4 hours ago, badbird said:

I took Madison out because I didn't think they would mess with the 1A rural.  I could be wrong

If it's based on competition level then everyone should be changed,  including Madison County 

[DisabledAccount]

I like the idea but i hate the maxpreps part 

 

If they can't find a better ranking to use i hope it don't pass

[gatorman-uf]

Hey it's almost like for the past 7 years I have been saying this... basing classifications solely on enrollment has been and remains a bad policy for high school sports in the semi-professionalizing of the sport.

I have before talked about the idea of a promotion and relegation idea.
I have talked about if we are going to stick to enrollment than successful teams should have enrollment added for their success, especially in non-football sports where the same 16 teams seem to be in the finals in sports like softball, soccer, and volleyball. 

I am unsure if the schools that are not in Division 1 and 2 will still have districts, but I hope they will as I think district tournaments are a great way to get teams into the playoffs.
 

Definitely a step forward... I think MaxPreps is fine for non-football level, but with better models like Laz and Pinkos for football.

[DisabledAccount]

3 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

Hey it's almost like for the past 7 years I have been saying this... basing classifications solely on enrollment has been and remains a bad policy for high school sports in the semi-professionalizing of the sport.

I have before talked about the idea of a promotion and relegation idea.
I have talked about if we are going to stick to enrollment than successful teams should have enrollment added for their success, especially in non-football sports where the same 16 teams seem to be in the finals in sports like softball, soccer, and volleyball. 

I am unsure if the schools that are not in Division 1 and 2 will still have districts, but I hope they will as I think district tournaments are a great way to get teams into the playoffs.
 

Definitely a step forward... I think MaxPreps is fine for non-football level, but with better models like Laz and Pinkos for football.

I've seen maxpreps rankings for other sports 

 

There has to be a better option 

[gatorman-uf]

You are right, they clearly overranked Columbia High School's softball team at #9 in 7A considering they lost in the first round and Gainesville a team that won the district is ranked #10. Burn it to the ground.

[DisabledAccount]

1 minute ago, gatorman-uf said:

You are right, they clearly overranked Columbia High School's softball team at #9 in 7A considering they lost in the first round and Gainesville a team that won the district is ranked #10. Burn it to the ground.

We earned our ranking throughout the season 

 

But of course you talking about us losing in first round when you don't know jack about the game

[DisabledAccount]

Gainesville better enjoy their short success because we will take that district back this year and I'm going to enjoy every second of putting it back in the face of Gainesville 

 

Oh and come August 23rd I'm gonna to enjoy every single second of watching us put down the purple chokecanes

 

 

[DisabledAccount]

8 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

You are right, they clearly overranked Columbia High School's softball team at #9 in 7A considering they lost in the first round and Gainesville a team that won the district is ranked #10. Burn it to the ground.

And at least we put up a fight against niceville when our softball team played them,  you all got destroyed 

 

But why should i be surprised, you all same team who had a 6-0 lead and choked it

[DisabledAccount]

Unless you were at that First round game between Columbia and bartram this year then don't run your mouth 

 

Ask Marty Pallman 

Ask Corey Davis 

 

 

Maybe they can fill you in on how officials decided that game

 

I'm not type of person to complain about officials but when a minimum of 4 runs are decided by clear-cut  bad calls by officials and even the announcers of the game recognized that the calls were questionable and those same officials are from a local association of the HOME team (bartram trail)

 

I will call bullshit

[gatorman-uf]

First, watch your mouth and stop making assumptions. At no point have I ever said what team I support, you are assuming something because I am a gator and a fan of UF. Try again.

Second, you lost twice to Gainesville out of 3 games this year. They beat you on the field. And my point, is that the rankings are just fine if the goal is find the top 64 teams, they do their job. 

Finally, are you incapable of putting all that information in one post? does it really take 3 posts to try and insult me and defend a game that you let umpires decide? 

[DisabledAccount]

28 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

First, watch your mouth and stop making assumptions. At no point have I ever said what team I support, you are assuming something because I am a gator and a fan of UF. Try again.

Second, you lost twice to Gainesville out of 3 games this year. They beat you on the field. And my point, is that the rankings are just fine if the goal is find the top 64 teams, they do their job. 

Finally, are you incapable of putting all that information in one post? does it really take 3 posts to try and insult me and defend a game that you let umpires decide? 

You are the one who insulted me by acting like you knew more than a game then i did 

 

I was right there for the game, unless you were at the bartram game don't sit here and act like we didn't earn our ranking because that team worked hard all season and 1 loss don't take away the fact that they earned that ranking during the season 

[DisabledAccount]

I was bringing up a serious issue that could come into play by using maxpreps rankings which usually can be questionable just because someone puts in incorrect data but you took it upon yourself to take cheap shots

[DisabledAccount]

Honestly for a sport like softball they should use miracle sports 

 

They have a much better poll and they have the correct data

[gatorman-uf]

What no apology for suggesting that I am a Gainesville fan? And again with the 3 posts when one post would do.

Again, the only thing that matters is that you officially lost, umps/referees/officials/aliens, you lost. I notice you still haven't mentioned that Gainesville beat you twice and were lower in the rankings. If you want to make a point about the rankings, that is what you should be mentioning. A team that clearly is better on the field somehow is still lower in the rankings. Miracle Sports isn't the answer as it is a human poll.

"My cheap shot" was pointing out that a team that loses in the Round of 32 probably isn't worthy of being in the top 10. If nothing else, a team that beat them twice, should probably be ranked higher. Heck Gainesville had no problem beating Bartram. So try again. Officials calls are part of the game, they happen.

Go back to 2013 and ask the Middleburg, Oakleaf, and Mosley coaches if the umpires ruled in favor of Columbia during CHS's run to the state championship that year.

[DisabledAccount]

2 hours ago, gatorman-uf said:

What no apology for suggesting that I am a Gainesville fan? And again with the 3 posts when one post would do.

Again, the only thing that matters is that you officially lost, umps/referees/officials/aliens, you lost. I notice you still haven't mentioned that Gainesville beat you twice and were lower in the rankings. If you want to make a point about the rankings, that is what you should be mentioning. A team that clearly is better on the field somehow is still lower in the rankings. Miracle Sports isn't the answer as it is a human poll.

"My cheap shot" was pointing out that a team that loses in the Round of 32 probably isn't worthy of being in the top 10. If nothing else, a team that beat them twice, should probably be ranked higher. Heck Gainesville had no problem beating Bartram. So try again. Officials calls are part of the game, they happen.

Go back to 2013 and ask the Middleburg, Oakleaf, and Mosley coaches if the umpires ruled in favor of Columbia during CHS's run to the state championship that year.

I don't even care where maxpreps ranked us,  i didn't bother looking 

 

Only poll i looked at was prepzone and miracle sports,  only thing i use maxpreps for is for national rankings DURING THE SEASON

 

And we went 3-1 the previous year,  i did respond

 

3 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Gainesville better enjoy their short success because we will take that district back this year and I'm going to enjoy every second of putting it back in the face of Gainesville 

 

Oh and come August 23rd I'm gonna to enjoy every single second of watching us put down the purple chokecanes

 

 

I'm not gonna even respond to your comments of 2013 team since it's clear that is just a attempt to get me to retaliate and make myself look like a idiot